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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: MillCreek on July 17, 2016, 12:22:59 PM
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/baton-rouge-police-officers-shot-wounded-airline-highway/
Details sketchy so far.
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Oh crap, not again ...
Details as of 10:28am PDT: 3 officers killed, 3 more wounded, 1 suspect dead, 2 suspects at large. Appears to have been an ambush.
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These f*expletive deleted*tards are going to start something they will NOT like the results of.....
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These *expletive deleted*tards are going to start something they will NOT like the results of.....
And you just know they're going to try something in Cleveland during the RNC.
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This will surely teach cops to respect "black lives."
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I am the Louisiana Open Carry Awareness League (LOCAL) Information Officer and would like to express out sorrow for these officers and the city of Baton Rouge and Louisiana. Please know that these criminals do NOT represent Louisiana’s Open Carry community in any way.
Our organization is a non-profit grass roots information and Second Amendment Rights organization focused primarily on Louisiana’s right to Open Carry. However, LOCAL does NOT promote the open carry of rifles in general and specifically advises against carrying them to/during such a protest! It's just plain idiotic to do so unless you plan to get shot or shooting, both of which we are against! Smart civilians and non police move AWAY from places where they are likely to get shot. If idiots advance on you, THEN you bunker down and DEFEND, not attack, ESPECIALLY THE POLICE! Every LOCAL member I personally know would have used their legally carried pistol to stop any idiot firing on the police if they are in a position to safely do so. PERIOD.
Speedy Mercer - LOCAL Information Officer/Sec/Treas
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These *expletive deleted*tards are going to start something they will NOT like the results of.....
Skeptical.
Crap would have to escalate to "Yugoslavia-level bad" or at least "South America-level bad" before the police are either so overtaxed or just disband to stay home with their families, before the kind of Americans that have jobs, mortgages, and families to think about start engaging in organized counter-violence.
And even the South American parallels don't really hold all that well, because "right wing" paramilitaries who were shooting criminals, narco-gangs, and leftist insurgents largely operated with the tacit approval, or at least a blind-eye from the government and military. Something not likely to ever happen in America, until we're way, way, way "down the road". And/or the "red state" areas that might be inclined to do so... they tend not to have the demographics to make a hot spot where it could happen.
We haven't even reached Detroit '67 or LA '92 riot-level yet.
Not even another Ferguson yet. And they were stirred up and pissed off enough to have their riot near Christmas/Winter when it was cold, which is unusual.
Kind of a new/strange dynamic might be at play here, because instead of the usual M.O. of poor urban black unrest just lashing out at everything and destroying their own neighborhood, or an area near it, the violence, assuming it's the start of a trend is at least kind of "targeted" at the group or governmental body they have the beef with.
Cleveland tomorrow with the GOP convo will be the next benchmark.
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AJ, it's a bit late to speculate on whether it's the start of a trend. We now have nearly a dozen dead cops, in four instances, in four places, within the last three years; and all connected to BLM, and fellow travellers.
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Cops are gonna hesitate less
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An outside agitator, I'm shocked! Shocked I say! From Missouri no less.
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the white guy who is the twitterverse spokesman for BLM says there will be a coup if trump wins
Why am I suddenly thinking of quotes from Tombstone...
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"This is not so much about gun control as it is about what's in men's hearts."
- East Baton Rouge Parish Sheriff Sid Gautreaux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uykK2EIfMw8
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the white guy who is the twitterverse spokesman for BLM says there will be a coup if trump wins
Why am I suddenly thinking of quotes from Tombstone...
And yet Trump is the only candidate who said something sensible about both police and black citizen victims.
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And yet Trump is the only candidate who said something sensible about both police and black citizen victims.
To save me googling, what did he say?
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To save me googling, what did he say?
There's clearly a safety issue for black people, and the two recent shootings show we need to do more on that front. He tied it to economic power - poverty and lack of jobs were the things he said we'd need to address.
It's hilarious that he's out and called it what it is in a much more straightforward way than Obama, and proposed the solution (get people working so they have economic and social power), and that's completely ignored by BLM.
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It's hilarious that he's out and called it what it is in a much more straightforward way than Obama, and proposed the solution (get people working so they have economic and social power), and that's completely ignored by BLM.
It's not hilarious, but it is predictable. It doesn't fit their narrative about "Whitey" only wanting to beat them down. having a white man say something about trying to help them pick themselves up (by working -- gasp!) isn't something they want to embrace -- or even acknowledge.
On another note, it seems the Baton Rouge shooter is a Marine veteran. The Dallas shooter was an Army (Reserve) veteran. It's starting to appear that the United States military is training the people who want to destroy the rule of law in the United States.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/17/baton-rouge-shooter-gavin-eugene-long-was-nation-of-islam-member-railed-against-crackers-on-youtube-channel-video/
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Reading further on the Baton Rouge killer, This doesn't seem to fit all of his Pan African BS
http://imgur.com/iWF7uNA
You'd think racists would be a bit more discerning as to their targets.
On another note, it seems the Baton Rouge shooter is a Marine veteran. The Dallas shooter was an Army (Reserve) veteran. It's starting to appear that the United States military is training the people who want to destroy the rule of law in the United States.
I'm appalled by their *expletive deleted*it tactics, but I'll take any mistake they're willing to make. The DC aholes had the whole town on edge for weeks.
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http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/17/baton-rouge-shooter-gavin-eugene-long-was-nation-of-islam-member-railed-against-crackers-on-youtube-channel-video/ (http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/17/baton-rouge-shooter-gavin-eugene-long-was-nation-of-islam-member-railed-against-crackers-on-youtube-channel-video/)
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Reading further on the Baton Rouge killer, This doesn't seem to fit all of his Pan African BS
http://imgur.com/iWF7uNA
You'd think racists would be a bit more discerning as to their targets.
I'm appalled by their *expletive deleted*it tactics, but I'll take any mistake they're willing to make. The DC aholes had the whole town on edge for weeks.
You may not approve of their tactics but in both cases a single assailant was able to kill multiple, armed police officers and wound several more armed police officers. And in both cases the police initially believed there were multiple shooters.
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It's not hilarious, but it is predictable. It doesn't fit their narrative about "Whitey" only wanting to beat them down. having a white man say something about trying to help them pick themselves up (by working -- gasp!) isn't something they want to embrace -- or even acknowledge.
On another note, it seems the Baton Rouge shooter is a Marine veteran. The Dallas shooter was an Army (Reserve) veteran. It's starting to appear that the United States military is training the people who want to destroy the rule of law in the United States.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/17/baton-rouge-shooter-gavin-eugene-long-was-nation-of-islam-member-railed-against-crackers-on-youtube-channel-video/
Amazing what happens when your standards fall to *expletive deleted*it
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Skeptical.
Crap would have to escalate to "Yugoslavia-level bad" or at least "South America-level bad" before the police are either so overtaxed or just disband to stay home with their families, before the kind of Americans that have jobs, mortgages, and families to think about start engaging in organized counter-violence.
And even the South American parallels don't really hold all that well, because "right wing" paramilitaries who were shooting criminals, narco-gangs, and leftist insurgents largely operated with the tacit approval, or at least a blind-eye from the government and military. Something not likely to ever happen in America, until we're way, way, way "down the road". And/or the "red state" areas that might be inclined to do so... they tend not to have the demographics to make a hot spot where it could happen.
We haven't even reached Detroit '67 or LA '92 riot-level yet.
Not even another Ferguson yet. And they were stirred up and pissed off enough to have their riot near Christmas/Winter when it was cold, which is unusual.
Kind of a new/strange dynamic might be at play here, because instead of the usual M.O. of poor urban black unrest just lashing out at everything and destroying their own neighborhood, or an area near it, the violence, assuming it's the start of a trend is at least kind of "targeted" at the group or governmental body they have the beef with.
Cleveland tomorrow with the GOP convo will be the next benchmark.
We still have to get through August and maybe a hot September. I wouldn't count out full scale riots just yet.
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You may not approve of their tactics but in both cases a single assailant was able to kill multiple, armed police officers and wound several more armed police officers. And in both cases the police initially believed there were multiple shooters.
To clarify, I'm appalled by how BAD said tactics were. That the acts themselves were despicable isn't in question. Both shooters deployed, and should know enough to not get in a standup fight with superior forces. They could've taken shots from cover, and went home, making this last weeks. What I mean is I'm glad they were stupid about it.
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To clarify, I'm appalled by how BAD said tactics were. That the acts themselves were despicable isn't in question. Both shooters deployed, and should know enough to not get in a standup fight with superior forces. They could've taken shots from cover, and went home, making this last weeks. What I mean is I'm glad they were stupid about it.
As far as i know none of them were infantry. Could be wrong.
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Police are getting the short end of the stick with this type of engagement. Escalation is a lose-lose situation. You can't "get tough" on random suicidal individuals that shoot people who walk around in stand-out uniforms.
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There's clearly a safety issue for black people, and the two recent shootings show we need to do more on that front. He tied it to economic power - poverty and lack of jobs were the things he said we'd need to address.
It's hilarious that he's out and called it what it is in a much more straightforward way than Obama, and proposed the solution (get people working so they have economic and social power), and that's completely ignored by BLM.
Because it doesn't fit the narrative. And social "justice" is about being given free *expletive deleted*it.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/baton-rouge-gavin-long-ambush-police-officers/
Mr. Long states he is a sovereign citizen.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/baton-rouge-gavin-long-ambush-police-officers/
Mr. Long states he is a sovereign citizen.
So, we're supposed to ignore the fact that he was a Nation of Islam member, but highlight the fact that he called himself a "sovereign citizen"?
Just want to make sure my scorecard is correct.
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^^^Are the two mutually exclusive?
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^^^Are the two mutually exclusive?
Nope, but the usual suspects are going to try to twist this into "RIGHT WING VIOLENCE!!!11!!1!" when the cause is quite clear.
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^^^Are the two mutually exclusive?
In the context of current events, focusing on one while ignoring or downplaying the other is worth pointing out.
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I have to say that every single sovereign citizen I have ever met has been a middle-aged white guy. I am not certain if this is more the demographics of my area or to whom the concept appeals to. So I was surprised to see a black man identifying as such.
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I have to say that every single sovereign citizen I have ever met has been a middle-aged white guy. I am not certain if this is more the demographics of my area or to whom the concept appeals to. So I was surprised to see a black man identifying as such.
You racist. :P
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As far as i know none of them were infantry. Could be wrong.
I was POG as they come, and paid enough attention to know that.
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I'm just going to say that these instances where people who have seen a certain class of individual routinely/systematically beat, cage and/or murder others with whom they identify(because of physical similarities i.e. "race", family ties, geographic proximity or whatever else, right or wrong) decided to act out violently against *specifically* that aggressor class are completely expected and predictable. I can imagine life as a second-class citizen might inspire vindictive thoughts toward the most visible and accessible symbols of one's oppression.
You don't have to agree with the act, but if you ignore the background you're lying to yourself.
This is not going to end well. Cops are going to act more aggressive out of fear(oh noes, a whole dozen killed in a year? Is it approaching the odds experienced by the soldiers these guys pretend to be, in the war where they fired the first shots?), which will engender more hatred(rightly) among those they act against, and politicians and frightened mundanes will throw more blind legal, moral and economic support to the police(wrongly).
This is not surprising. It's the war the cops have always wanted.
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This is not going to end well. Cops are going to act more aggressive out of fear
This is one of my biggest fears out of all this. It will lead to interactions like traffic stops becoming tactical encounters.
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To clarify, I'm appalled by how BAD said tactics were. That the acts themselves were despicable isn't in question. Both shooters deployed, and should know enough to not get in a standup fight with superior forces. They could've taken shots from cover, and went home, making this last weeks. What I mean is I'm glad they were stupid about it.
Given their likely goals (more dead than 1), and cause upheaval, terror, and distress, combined with their the targets being unaware and ambushed, with zero real Intel, their skills didn't/don't need to be high.
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This is from a very good friend of mine so I can't say it is truth anymore than I can second hand information from any source. I will be looking into it and see where it takes me. It seems to make a little bit of sense though.
There is an entire communication in black culture called, "The Conscious". They are not Christians, they believe they are the original Hebrews. They teach that white people are the oppressors because they are a cursed people and an abomination. Interracial relationships are forbidden and frowned on severely. Friendships and bring white people to family gatherings will get you kicked out. There are "soldiers" in the Consciousness. Mostly young, single, introverted and extremely angry men. Most, if not all, served in the military. The more outspoken ones post a lot of videos on YouTube. To others it is Consciousness-speak. To me, they sound like your garden variety psychotic paranoid schizophrenic and narcissist. These loners consider themselves defenders of the Conscious - martyrs. The only way to effect change is to do what white people did originally - take back power by bloodshed.
These recent events have raised a call to arms for the self-declared "martyrs" of these groups.
This is the first I have heard of this particular group and if what she says is true it could be cause for concern.
I am going looking now. Has anyone else heard of this movement?
bob
ETA: I guess I have been living under a rock. It seems every one but me (including tons of Law Enforcement Agencies) has heard of this. =|
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ETA: I guess I have been living under a rock. It seems every one but me (including tons of Law Enforcement Agencies) has heard of this. =|
Hello neighbor. I've never heard of it either.
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Never heard of that term, but it's hardly original. The exact doctrine may change, but this kind of thinking has been around a long time in Black America. Cf. Nation of Islam, etc.
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I'm just going to say that these instances where people who have seen a certain class of individual routinely/systematically beat, cage and/or murder others with whom they identify(because of physical similarities i.e. "race", family ties, geographic proximity or whatever else, right or wrong) decided to act out violently against *specifically* that aggressor class are completely expected and predictable. I can imagine life as a second-class citizen might inspire vindictive thoughts toward the most visible and accessible symbols of one's oppression.
You don't have to agree with the act, but if you ignore the background you're lying to yourself.
This is not going to end well. Cops are going to act more aggressive out of fear(oh noes, a whole dozen killed in a year? Is it approaching the odds experienced by the soldiers these guys pretend to be, in the war where they fired the first shots?), which will engender more hatred(rightly) among those they act against, and politicians and frightened mundanes will throw more blind legal, moral and economic support to the police(wrongly).
This is not surprising. It's the war the cops have always wanted.
Oh, go away.
There is no racial disparity is police shootings.
http://scholar.harvard.edu/fryer/publications/empirical-analysis-racial-differences-police-use-force (http://scholar.harvard.edu/fryer/publications/empirical-analysis-racial-differences-police-use-force)
This kind of violence is the result you get when people are taught to blame everyone else but themselves for their problems. When someone attacks another person and gets shot, it's not their fault, it is the fault of police, white people, guns, racism, "stand your ground" laws ad nauseum. This is the garbage that has been foisted on our country by our media, politicians and the rotten aspects of our culture.
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Clip from the Baton Rouge P.D. press conference:
https://youtu.be/Qr73zQxoHVA
Alleged pic of the murderer, holding what looks like a Tavor:
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FzNIP2hr.jpg&hash=fe426ec9c12675143c828ea336f4ab64543cdd38)
Police at the press conference said he also had a Stag Arms M4gery.
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Oh, go away.
There is no racial disparity is police shootings.
http://scholar.harvard.edu/fryer/publications/empirical-analysis-racial-differences-police-use-force (http://scholar.harvard.edu/fryer/publications/empirical-analysis-racial-differences-police-use-force)
This kind of violence is the result you get when people are taught to blame everyone else but themselves for their problems. When someone attacks another person and gets shot, it's not their fault, it is the fault of police, white people, guns, racism, "stand your ground" laws ad nauseum. This is the garbage that has been foisted on our country by our media, politicians and the rotten aspects of our culture.
Did you actually read that paper and not just the summary? I'd be pretty surprised if you did and still posted that.
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Oh, go away.
There is no racial disparity is police shootings.
http://scholar.harvard.edu/fryer/publications/empirical-analysis-racial-differences-police-use-force (http://scholar.harvard.edu/fryer/publications/empirical-analysis-racial-differences-police-use-force)
This kind of violence is the result you get when people are taught to blame everyone else but themselves for their problems. When someone attacks another person and gets shot, it's not their fault, it is the fault of police, white people, guns, racism, "stand your ground" laws ad nauseum. This is the garbage that has been foisted on our country by our media, politicians and the rotten aspects of our culture.
Your own link seems to disagree with you. I only read the first ten pages or so, but... did you?
Even if your statement were objectively true, I would suggest that if you expect black folk to forget(culturally, not so much individually) about a long history within the US of being considered sub-human, you might as well tell the Jews to stop harping about the Holocaust. After all, it's been like seventy years... how many living remember it? Let's move on, amirite?
I'm not going to dig up a study to counter yours. Your mind is made up and that's fine. I'm not even as far from you as you probably think - I don't find collective violence to be morally justifiable, so don't agree with.either of these killers(had they targeted the cops who have recently committed murder and walked, I would not so much as shed a tear). I know that it's possible for someone of any ethnicity to succeed here... but I also have seen that theirs is a rougher road. I can at least see where they're coming from.
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Did you actually read that paper and not just the summary? I'd be pretty surprised if you did and still posted that.
The summary states there's no racial disparity in shootings. Are you saying that the summary contradicts what's in the study itself? BTR used the paper as evidence that there's no disparity in shootings. How, specifically, is he wrong?
Keep in mind, the disparity in lower levels of force doesn't contradict the finding that there's no disparity in shootings.
http://scholar.harvard.edu/fryer/publications/empirical-analysis-racial-differences-police-use-force (http://scholar.harvard.edu/fryer/publications/empirical-analysis-racial-differences-police-use-force)
The introduction summarizes the shooting of Michael Brown by saying that he was shot "after Brown fit the description of a robbery suspect of a nearby store." This must be regarded as intentionally misleading. Way to promote racial healing, Harvard.
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Oops. Looks like I was wrong. From scanning (though not completely reading) the study, it suggests there IS a racial disparity in police shootings. They're more likely to shoot white people.
Sorry 'bout that.
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Oops. Looks like I was wrong. From scanning (though not completely reading) the study, it suggests there IS a racial disparity in police shootings. They're more likely to shoot white people.
WHITE LIVES MATTER! **** THE POLICE!
Or something.
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The study also says a number of times that there is no racial disparity. Interesting, no?
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The study also says a number of times that there is no racial disparity. Interesting, no?
Racial disparities only count if it is bad for minorities. Racial disparities that benefit them are not disparities.
(e.g. by the "disparate impact" measure, the NBA is racist against whites.)
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I would posit that it does not matter if there is a racial disparity in police shootingsaid. What matters is that there is a widespread impression of one, and people are acting (and acting out) on that impression.
I would further posit that no amount of white folks explaining, or studies full of academic rigor are likely to sway the demographics which hold and act upon impressions of disparity.
What America needs to do is change the cultural feelings towards police of our poor minorities. Whether the absolute number of folks killed by police changes at all is irrelevant.
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It's not a racial disparity....it's a cultural disparity. The cultures of barbarism and disrespect for rule of law tend to get more of its members shot than the cultures of civilized and respectful behavior toward others do.
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What America needs to do is change the cultural feelings towards police of our poor minorities. Whether the absolute number of folks killed by police changes at all is irrelevant.
LOL.
It's an onion and you're now addressing something like the 18th result of the base problem.
Many black people have no respect for police because they are convinced that the police accost them for "no reason". The police give special attention to black people because the majority of violent crimes are done by young black males (and other, non-violent crimes have a disproportionate representation of black people committing them, as well.)
Black youth commit crimes because their culture glorifies criminality. Their culture glorifies criminality because there are few or no male authority figures within the life of black youth. Black male authority figures are absent because the black nuclear family was nuked (see what I did there?) in the 1960s. The black nuclear family was nuked because (1) Great Society rewarded women for having children out of wedlock with more benefits and (2) the concurrent Sexual Revolution convinced too many that sex is as meaningless as taking a walk in the park, and ought to be engaged in as often as possible with no concern for the consequences.
These, of course, were successful because Christian morals were denigrated as backwards and out of touch and part of what was holding humanity back. (Especially the sex part.)
So, ultimately, the only way to get respect for police officers is to replace the lost morality in this country. (It needs to be replaced with something that encourages hard work, thrift, and delayed gratification. If only there were some... philosophy or teachings of some kind.... that did that.)
Note, the white underclass, though proportionally smaller, suffers the exact same malaise and the solutions are the same.
Of course, I'm just a social conservative and, therefore, satan incarnate to the Democrats and the "fiscal conservatives".
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You can't be Satan my ex said I was. And you were barely born then (1979)
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LOL.
It's an onion and you're now addressing something like the 18th result of the base problem.
Many black people have no respect for police because they are convinced that the police accost them for "no reason". The police give special attention to black people because the majority of violent crimes are done by young black males (and other, non-violent crimes have a disproportionate representation of black people committing them, as well.)
Black youth commit crimes because their culture glorifies criminality. Their culture glorifies criminality because there are few or no male authority figures within the life of black youth. Black male authority figures are absent because the black nuclear family was nuked (see what I did there?) in the 1960s. The black nuclear family was nuked because (1) Great Society rewarded women for having children out of wedlock with more benefits and (2) the concurrent Sexual Revolution convinced too many that sex is as meaningless as taking a walk in the park, and ought to be engaged in as often as possible with no concern for the consequences.
These, of course, were successful because Christian morals were denigrated as backwards and out of touch and part of what was holding humanity back. (Especially the sex part.)
So, ultimately, the only way to get respect for police officers is to replace the lost morality in this country. (It needs to be replaced with something that encourages hard work, thrift, and delayed gratification. If only there were some... philosophy or teachings of some kind.... that did that.)
Note, the white underclass, though proportionally smaller, suffers the exact same malaise and the solutions are the same.
Of course, I'm just a social conservative and, therefore, satan incarnate to the Democrats and the "fiscal conservatives".
I agree with you and dogmush. You, because I'm pretty socon myself about culture.
dogmush because even if there were steps that were taken to address the BLM concerns it wouldn't matter. Their concerns are emotional, not based on evidence but on the narrative they've adopted. Everything is seen through their "that's racist!" filter.
The next president should just ignore them and refuse to discuss race in any format except on his terms pushing his narrative. A has been said so many times before, the President has the power of the bully pulpit.
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I would posit that it does not matter if there is a racial disparity in police shootingsaid. What matters is that there is a widespread impression of one, and people are acting (and acting out) on that impression.
I would further posit that no amount of white folks explaining, or studies full of academic rigor are likely to sway the demographics which hold and act upon impressions of disparity.
What America needs to do is change the cultural feelings towards police of our poor minorities. Whether the absolute number of folks killed by police changes at all is irrelevant.
That's what the boys from Harvard said.
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LOL.
It's an onion and you're now addressing something like the 18th result of the base problem.
Many black people have no respect for police because they are convinced that the police accost them for "no reason". The police give special attention to black people because the majority of violent crimes are done by young black males (and other, non-violent crimes have a disproportionate representation of black people committing them, as well.)
Black youth commit crimes because their culture glorifies criminality. Their culture glorifies criminality because there are few or no male authority figures within the life of black youth. Black male authority figures are absent because the black nuclear family was nuked (see what I did there?) in the 1960s. The black nuclear family was nuked because (1) Great Society rewarded women for having children out of wedlock with more benefits and (2) the concurrent Sexual Revolution convinced too many that sex is as meaningless as taking a walk in the park, and ought to be engaged in as often as possible with no concern for the consequences.
These, of course, were successful because Christian morals were denigrated as backwards and out of touch and part of what was holding humanity back. (Especially the sex part.)
So, ultimately, the only way to get respect for police officers is to replace the lost morality in this country. (It needs to be replaced with something that encourages hard work, thrift, and delayed gratification. If only there were some... philosophy or teachings of some kind.... that did that.)
Note, the white underclass, though proportionally smaller, suffers the exact same malaise and the solutions are the same.
Of course, I'm just a social conservative and, therefore, satan incarnate to the Democrats and the "fiscal conservatives".
I'm no socon.
Just don't subsidize it and the behavior will largely correct itself quickly, inside of a generation. Whatever still goes on? Well, we wouldn't be paying for it. And the reduction of tax burden on the economy would make it much easier for those who make "poor life choices" but are at least so inclined as to make themselves useful in the labor market to afford the consequences of those choices.
I do think the whole #BLM movement has some legitimate beefs, but the officer involved shootings is just a flashpoint and an easy thing for them to focus on and grab attention. What has them truly unhappy in day-to-day policing revolves around the Statist Left who controls the majority of cities and urban areas they live in, and has done a good job of "criminalizing poverty" despite being the political side that's supposed to be "looking out for them". On a federal level, mandatory sentencing laws were signed in by our 2-for-1 co-Presidents Clinton back in the 90's. And it also goes back to the enforcement philosophies of the police chiefs who are picked by Statist Left city governments, and aren't given the latitude to ease up on picayune enforcement as a means of "warrant fishing" over things like cracked windshields, busted tail lights, and questionable auto registration, and working harder on actually "keeping the peace" instead of enforcing the law. And the "thin blue line" closing ranks over police misconduct, in part by police unions. Another offshoot of the American Left.
There is actually a golden opportunity for the Right to wedge in here, and address some of the angst from the perspective of "limited government". Sadly, it'll never happen, because the identity-politics lines are drawn too firmly now, there'd be no payoff in votes. (School choice/vouchers hasn't helped the GOP at all, despite the inner-city desire to have it, and how hard the Democrats fight it...) And the Right is just as invested in a law-and-order platform, and "police harder" mantra.
Sadly, Dallas was arguably the one major metro area where the department was trying hard to "do it right" and that made choosing them as a target particularly asinine.
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...the identity-politics lines are drawn too firmly now...
True. The left (the press, BLM, the Dem party) has made this a racial issue, as if minorities are the only victims. Obviously, that doesn't exactly give white people any compelling reason to care about the issue. (Of course, some white people do care, for various reasons.)
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True. The left (the press, BLM, the Dem party) has made this a racial issue, as if minorities are the only victims. Obviously, that doesn't exactly give white people any compelling reason to care about the issue. (Of course, some white people do care, for various reasons.)
Well, we know at least one, if not two or three, law-abiding white "good guys" here that got run through the wringer by the local po-po, and had some "You can beat the rap but not the ride" kind of experiences, so it indeed does happen. =|
And yeah, #BLM is indeed just using this for their own purposes as a wedge issue too. Even as a bomb-chucking Libertarian/An-Cap/Minarchist I can see the ideas about banning the police, disarming the police, or "community based solutions to crime" is going to create a free-for-all that will see scores more black people dead, wounded, or victims of crime. Especially since the socio-economic/cultural problems of poor blacks, and not "institutional white racism" are at the root of black crime problems, both as perpetrators and victims and those aren't being addressed in a credible fashion first or at least simultaneously.
(there I go, victim-blaming, check my privilege...)
I do think that racism, profiling, unfair policing, or whatever does contribute in some ways, or makes things worse for them, and it definitely needs to be addressed, because as Americans we ultimately should put very high priority on "bad acts" committed by the State vs. "bad acts" committed by private individuals, but when digging into the root causes of poor urban black misery, it's a smaller contributor and "rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic" sort of thinking at this point in time.
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Well, we know at least one, if not two or three, law-abiding white "good guys" here that got run through the wringer by the local po-po, and had some "You can beat the rap but not the ride" kind of experiences, so it indeed does happen. =|
My point was the Left has discouraged the nation from seeing this as a problem for all of us, and insisted it is only a problem for them. BLM has made it clear that to deny the racial angle is (according to them) a form of racism.
Another interesting bit is that the BLM came to life just in the exact moment when accusations of white racism had been made laughable. Not because such racism doesn't exist, but because the race card has been so worn down and cheapened by silly accusations. "You disagree with Obama on healthcare - you're a racist!" "You said Obama has big ears - you're a racist!" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/16/lawrence-odonnell-condemn_n_823919.html
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My point was the Left has discouraged the nation from seeing this as a problem for all of us, and insisted it is only a problem for them. BLM has made it clear that to deny the racial angle is (according to them) a form of racism.
Sorry, I got your point. My reply probably didn't make that clear though.
Another interesting bit is that the BLM came to life just in the exact moment when accusations of white racism had been made laughable. Not because such racism doesn't exist, but because the race card has been so worn down and cheapened by silly accusations. "You disagree with Obama on healthcare - you're a racist!" "You said Obama has big ears - you're a racist!" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/16/lawrence-odonnell-condemn_n_823919.html
That is a good point. Doesn't even have to be a cynical deliberate decision on the part of someone. Not saying that isn't exactly what happened, but ideologies and "movements" kind of hunt around for relevance and traction all on their own, like a slime mold or whatnot.
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Just don't subsidize it and the behavior will largely correct itself quickly, inside of a generation.
You mean, of course, after the massive riots and social disorder, correct?
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You mean, of course, after the massive riots and social disorder, correct?
Part of the correction process.
Post-riot reconstruction can be considered a jobs creator.
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Part of the correction process.
Post-riot reconstruction can be considered a jobs creator.
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You mean, of course, after the massive riots and social disorder, correct?
That segues over to something that's been bothering me with my AnCap/Libertarian friends on FB who've been playing at trolling with pro-#BLM anti-cop arguments/memes to try and make cheap anti-Statist points, and engage in some chest-thumping over how ideologically pure they are.
I find it hypocritical because they know full well if Libertarian/AnCap America were to be fully realized, the cessation of welfare/benefits would wind up killing orders of magnitude more black people in riots, unrest, and self defense against crime sprees and looting etc. during the "adjustment period". Nor does it do much to acknowledge that the people with the "problem" are a direct result of dependance on the nanny-state as well.
Were I the magical/hypothetical Libertarian non-dictator of America, I'd at least specify a cut-off date when no additional assistance for additional children would be coming, and for a graduated taper in assistance before it was "zero" for everyone.
And of course having zero willingness to engage in anything other than absolutes, or look at anything from a stance of realpolitik is really just a hidden excuse to do nothing at all. Which is kind of pathetic in it's own way, because at least the people in the various professional grievance industries get some kind of payoff for it, besides stroking their own egos.