Sure is a Lot of "Turn in Your Guns..."

[Ben]

...stuff going on with the current dem contenders. 

"We're going to buy your guns. It's mandatory. If you don't like our prices, you're going to jail."

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2019/04/17/he-knows-hes-lying-pete-buttigieg-makes-b-s-argument-for-banning-assault-rifles-and-other-weapons-of-war-video/

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2019/04/17/ratio-alert-vox-correspondent-disagrees-with-eric-swalwells-gun-confiscation-plan-because-it-doesnt-go-nearly-far-enough/

[Angel Eyes]

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2019/04/17/he-knows-hes-lying-pete-buttigieg-makes-b-s-argument-for-banning-assault-rifles-and-other-weapons-of-war-video/

https://twitter.com/JustEric/status/1118583919463604226

[bedlamite]

[zxcvbob]

It's not just the Second Amendment at stake.  Why do the Democrats hate the Fifth Amendment?  (the Takings Clause)

[Angel Eyes]

They're fine with taking.  How else are they going to fund their socialist programs?

[Perd Hapley]

So is this a good thing? Gun confiscation talk is OK for the primary, but...

[RoadKingLarry]

So is this a good thing? Gun confiscation talk is OK for the primary, but...

They're pandering to the base. If the eventual Dem nominee keeps up the gun confiscation mantra he/she/it wont stand a chance.

[MechAg94]

It's not just the Second Amendment at stake.  Why do the Democrats hate the Fifth Amendment?  (the Takings Clause)

Hell, if you pay attention, they are all too willing to stomp over every right in the Constitution if it meets whatever end they wish to achieve.  The 1st amendment is not immune. 

The question is does anyone outside the radical left agree with that?

[MechAg94]

They're pandering to the base. If the eventual Dem nominee keeps up the gun confiscation mantra he/she/it wont stand a chance.

Considering how low the compliance was in some fairly liberal states, I want to agree with you.  Considering how bad the voter fraud is in some states, I really worry about that.

[TommyGunn]

Throughout the militia movement that expanded after Ruby Ridge and Waco,   I thought that it was really unlikely that the govt.  would get authoritarian enough to actually try to disarm the people ,  and pretty much poo-pooed the militias for their ostensible paranoia concerning the matter.

I have reconsidered.   I think the possibility of the govt trying to disarm us is actually increasing.

And I fear it might provoke another revolution ..... 

[Ben]

I have reconsidered.   I think the possibility of the govt trying to disarm us is actually increasing.

And I fear it might provoke another revolution ..... 

One of the reasons I posted this was what I consider a disconnect between these politicians and reality. While yeah, they are obviously targeting some subset of their base for votes, IMO, they absolutely believe that they can just send some master list of every gun and gun owner in America out to every LE agency in the country. All the officers will happily go door knocking to the address list with cash for guns, and all gun owners will comply, happily or out of fear.

Nevermind that the whole country is not CA, where there are lists. Nevermind "boating accidents". Nevermind that a large portion of LE (and the military if they would dare go that route) come from the same redneck regions (and that includes CA, which is not all San Francisco) as the people these politicians are targeting. I think someone here posted a blog entry by Larry Correia on this and how it would likely turn out.

From the negative side, the one thing a ban would do would be to keep the EBRs of the law abiding mostly in safes and closets, or they would be snuck out to BFE to target shoot. If you have to worry about getting pinched at the local gun range, you probably won't take your rifle with you. MMV depending on where in the country you live, given the number of Sheriffs that are telling their state reps to drop dead and go to hell.

[Pb]

They're pandering to the base. If the eventual Dem nominee keeps up the gun confiscation mantra he/she/it wont stand a chance.

I don't believe that at all.  Most people don't care about gun rights.

[slugcatcher]

I can only imagine how many illegal NFA items will be created in the presence of full confiscation.  In for a penny, in for a pound is going to be a common mentality for gun owners.  Turning a 3rd of the population into felons overnight is not a bright idea.

[WLJ]

I can only imagine how many illegal NFA items will be created in the presence of full confiscation.  In for a penny, in for a pound is going to be a common mentality for gun owners.  Turning a 3rd of the population into felons overnight is not a bright idea.

Scary part is is that many on the left seem to be perfectly willing to do just if they think it will help lead us to the perfect socialist paradise. Most communist counties seemed to have had no problem criminalizing large portions of their populations overnight.  Besides, they have nukes. Remember?

[fifth_column]

They're pandering to the base. If the eventual Dem nominee keeps up the gun confiscation mantra he/she/it wont stand a chance.

I don't believe that at all.  Most people don't care about gun rights.

I suspect they're pandering to the big money interests, not to the voters.  Hell, these guys don't really have any use for the voters, but they need the big money.  Voter fraud a'int cheap after all . . . .

[cordex]

I don't believe that at all.  Most people don't care about gun rights.

It's not that cut and dried.  Most people don't care as much as you or I might, for sure, but in the extreme where a door-to-door total confiscation was ordered you'd see major pushback from all over the political compass - even people who ordinarily don't care about guns.  Most incrementalist steps short of that (scary gun bans, mag capacity restrictions, universal background checks/registration, tighter carry restrictions, etc) would be an easy sell to a lot of people who don't care very much.

[RoadKingLarry]

There will never be a door to door confiscation.
Even the most lunatic lefty understands the disaster that could be.
The next time dems have control of House, Senate and Whitehouse I predict at least a New Zealand type ban. Mandatory turn in/"buyback". After XX/XX date possession becomes a felony. There will be a lot.of new orvernight felons.
Offer a reward to the toadys to anonymously rat out family, friends and neighbors and the jackboots can take down the hold outs one at a time. Every predawn raid where the lunatic gun hoarder gets himself and his family shot to doll rags will serve as a warning to others. The media will.of course expound on how dangerous the evil gun owner was and that he deserved what he got.
Plenty of toadys and jackboots around to make it work most of the time.

We're pretty well *expletive deleted*ed, it just a matter of time.

[TommyGunn]

I hope you're right,  RKL, that there will never be door to door confiscation ..... but I'm not so certain your prediction of how it will go down will prevent a revolution. 
No matter how  it does happen,  those who resist govt. Law enforcement are going to be painted as terrorists.  I think that's inevitable,  and those who do resist will simply have to accept it,  and continue the struggle against horrible odds.

[dogmush]

Every predawn raid where the lunatic gun hoarder gets himself and his family shot to doll rags will serve as a warning to others. The media will.of course expound on how dangerous the evil gun owner was and that he deserved what he got.
Plenty of toadys and jackboots around to make it work most of the time.

We're pretty well *expletive deleted*ed, it just a matter of time.

I think that goes worse.  The fourth or fifth predawn raid on ole Jim from the Rod and Gun Club, and LEO's start taking fire when they walk out to their vehicles.

Look at what happens in cities like Dallas where a guy or two really internalizes that the cops are hunting his ethnicity.  He panicked the cops so bad they blew him up.  Now take that out to the weirder/ fringier 5% of gun owners that decide to actively start sniping cops.

Or look at the DC snipers and realize those guys were making like 100m shots.  Imagine what 5 or 6 folks that can make 400M Center of mass shots with an *actual* powerful rifle (not 5.56) would do to a city.

[BlueStarLizzard]

http://monsterhunternation.com/2018/11/19/the-2nd-amendment-is-obsolete-says-congressman-who-wants-to-nuke-omaha/

[dogmush]

http://monsterhunternation.com/2018/11/19/the-2nd-amendment-is-obsolete-says-congressman-who-wants-to-nuke-omaha/

From that blog, and something I have tried (mostly in vain) to make my leftist family really understand:

A friend of mine who is a political activist said something interesting the other day, and that was for most people on the left political violence is a knob, and they can turn the heat up and down, with things like protests, and riots, all the way up to destruction of property, and sometimes murder… But for the vast majority of folks on the right, it’s an off and on switch. And the settings are Vote or Shoot *expletive deleted*ing Everybody.

I asked my Father-in-Law once that if it came to police vs. gun owners why he expected gun owners to wait for the midnight raid?  After one or two raids (to be sure it was happening) it would be a lot easier to just cap cops as they walked out of their house in the morning.  After all a bunch of them have take home cruisers helpfully parked out front of their house to mark them.  He genuinely had never considered that people might 1. Resist, and 2. Do so with Offensive operations rather than hole up in a house and wait for a raid.  He just couldn't grok it.

I would also leave my normal quote in all these discussions here:

And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.

[Pb]

The Second Amendment was written specifically to protect the right of Americans to own weapons of war.

This is the fact that everyone outside us is ignoring.

That is why there is a militia clause in it.  Americans have the right to own militia weapons... the same weapons carried by the average infantryman.

The power of the sword, say the minority..., is in the hands of Congress. My friends and countrymen, it is not so, for the powers of the sword are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from sixteen to sixty. The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords and every terrible implement of the soldier are the birthright of Americans.

Tench Coxe

Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

[Perd Hapley]

The Second Amendment was written specifically to protect the right of Americans to own weapons of war.

This is the fact that everyone outside us is ignoring.

That is why there is a militia clause in it.  Americans have the right to own militia weapons... the same weapons carried by the average infantryman.

And the anti-gunners think the militia clause is on their side. 

[Boomhauer]

bUt iT mEanS tHE nAtiOaNl GuARD

[Perd Hapley]

bUt iT mEanS tHE nAtiOaNl GuARD

It's right there in G-Wash's Twitter feed:

"@J_Mads, be sure you put in that #Amend2 that the militia is the Natty Guard, fam"