Supreme Court strikes down racial discrimination in higher education

[Pb]

It is a sad day for college admin... and a great day for us!   

I have no doubt they will try to get around this somehow...

Eliminating SAT or ACT scores for admission, and guaranteeing admission for the top percentage of a high school, regardless of the competence of the students is my guess... I think this is what colleges are already doing in CA, where explicit racial discrimination has been illegal for some time.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-strikes-affirmative-action-programs-harvard-unc-rcna66770

[dogmush]

It'll be interesting to see.

There could be much public wailing and rending of garments, and a behind the scenes relief to drop diversity and only take rich kids of a similar sub-culture.  While blaming Trumps SCOTUS.

[MechAg94]

Texas tried that plan.  The top 10% of students were automatically admitted to any state university.  I think the result was those students took up almost all the spots.  They changed it a few years later.  I am not sure how it is set up now.

The majority of the parents I talk to with kids going to Texas A&M, the kids are starting at junior college or somewhere else and transferring in.  I did that as wells.  Saves a lot of money. 

[BobR]

Well, it is the end of the world as we know it according to the left. We shall see what gets us first, rising oceans or allowing merit based college admissions. What a time to be alive, where anything at all is going to offend at least 50% of the population. :)

bob

[Hawkmoon]

Well, it is the end of the world as we know it according to the left. We shall see what gets us first, rising oceans or allowing merit based college admissions. What a time to be alive, where anything at all is going to offend at least 50% of the population. :)

Seems more like at least 90%.

I was pleased to see that it wasn't even a close vote. Score one for common sense, even if it is several generations late in showing its ugly racist head.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/29/supreme-court-rejects-affirmative-action-at-colleges-says-schools-cant-consider-race-in-admission.html

UNC Chancellor Kevin Guskiewicz, in a statement, said, “Carolina remains firmly committed to bringing together talented students with different perspectives and life experiences and continues to make an affordable, high-quality education accessible to the people of North Carolina and beyond.”

“While not the outcome we hoped for, we will carefully review the Supreme Court’s decision and take any steps necessary to comply with the law,” Guskiewicz said.

Translation: "Our lawyers are going to explain to us exactly what we have to do so we can ignore this ruling while pretending to respect it."

[WLJ]

The left's head collective is exploding. How dare the SC say we can't be racist!

[Ben]

The haircut in California chimed in. 

https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/06/29/calif-gov-newsoms-slam-on-scotus-affirmative-action-ruling-got-awkward-fast-n2384953

[Angel Eyes]

This is awkward ...

https://babylonbee.com/news/awkward-supreme-court-rules-against-affirmative-action-with-affirmative-action-hire-standing-right-there

[Devonai]

Somebody on Reddit speculated that they'll just look at the zip codes of applicants instead.

[Perd Hapley]

The haircut in California chimed in. 

https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/06/29/calif-gov-newsoms-slam-on-scotus-affirmative-action-ruling-got-awkward-fast-n2384953

 

[charby]

Somebody on Reddit speculated that they'll just look at the zip codes of applicants instead.

Harvard (and other Ivy League Schools) have been doing that for years. Grow up in flyover country, be a great HS student, score decent on ACT or SAT, and your probably going to an Ivy League school if you apply.

I wish I would of known that back when I was in HS, crazy the amount of my HS and college friends who children are going to Ivy League schools because they are from the Midwest.

[Angel Eyes]

[230RN]

Somebody on Reddit speculated that they'll just look at the zip codes of applicants instead.

I find that amusing because banks refusing to lend within certain areas/zip codes, called "red-lining," was outlawed ten or more years ago as de facto discrimination.  So what'll they call this.... "green-lining?"

Terry, 230RN

[MechAg94]

That one person is showing far too much leg.  They must be punished.

[Ben]

This is too funny. Typical rich, sheltered, progressive woman claims blacks can't make it in a merit-based system (implying they're too stupid and need white liberals to pat them on the head and help them). She gets roasted on the socials by conservatives and even many liberals (and many blacks). The usual liberal players are all crying "False flag! Bot! Fake account run by conservatives!" In the meantime the woman is looking for a lawyer so she can sue for defamation. 

https://twitchy.com/gordon-kushner/2023/06/29/racist-sock-strikes-back-n2384971
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/06/30/ron-filipkowski-erica-march-n2384985

[Kingcreek]

Clarence Thomas' opinion is brilliantly written. I especially like how he trashed KBJs dissent.

[dogmush]

https://twitter.com/cenkuygur/status/1674525429305311232?s=20

I think Supreme Court got the affirmative action case right. I'm sick of the strereotypes that attach to all minorities because of this policy. It was necessary in beginning, but it has become counterproductive. But legacy admissions, which are more unfair, must also be banned.

I find myself not disagreeing with Cenk here.  Not sure I like that fact.

[WLJ]

Babylon Bee warning

Harvard To Get Around Affirmative Action Ban By Asking You Whether You Prefer BBQ, Ranch, Or Soy Sauce
https://babylonbee.com/news/harvard-to-get-around-affirmative-action-ban-by-asking-you-whether-you-prefer-bbq-ranch-or-soy-sauce

[Northwoods]

Eliminating SAT or ACT scores for admission, and guaranteeing admission for the top percentage of a high school, regardless of the competence of the students is my guess... I think this is what colleges are already doing in CA, where explicit racial discrimination has been illegal for some time.

Ironically eliminating SAT/ACT scores from consideration worsened minority enrollment.  Motivated minorities who got prepared and scored well no longer had that to differentiate themselves from other applicants and lost out more often as a result.

[dogmush]

Is it the purpose of Higher Education to take a body of people that is representative of the racial and ethnic diversity of the country's population as a whole and provide them education beyond the miniumum high school level, or is it to take the best students from the high school pool and further educate them so they can add to society's overall body of knowledge and experience?

For that matter, in the context of higher education, what does "best student" mean?  Smartest?  Most able to absorb knowledge and parrot it back?


I don't disagree with this decision in the least, as I have long thought that racial discrimination in any form adds to society's overall racial tensions, but it seems to me we don't really know why we send people to colleges and universities anymore.  Without knowing society's goal in funding and supporting higher education, how can we pretend to have a coherent admissions policy?

[Northwoods]

Is it the purpose of Higher Education to take a body of people that is representative of the racial and ethnic diversity of the country's population as a whole and provide them education beyond the miniumum high school level, or is it to take the best students from the high school pool and further educate them so they can add to society's overall body of knowledge and experience?

For that matter, in the context of higher education, what does "best student" mean?  Smartest?  Most able to absorb knowledge and parrot it back?


I don't disagree with this decision in the least, as I have long thought that racial discrimination in any form adds to society's overall racial tensions, but it seems to me we don't really know why we send people to colleges and universities anymore.  Without knowing society's goal in funding and supporting higher education, how can we pretend to have a coherent admissions policy?

Far, far too many people are going to college these days.  50 years ago it was, what, 10% at most that got bachelor degrees.  PhDs we’re around 1%, if even that many.  Now almost 40% have a college degree, and it’s probably heading towards 60% because a lot of that non-degree population are old folks and young kids are going to college at even higher rates.

What we need are good quality high schools so college isn’t necessary for 90% of the jobs out there.  Heck, it used to be you could even become an engineer without a degree. 

[Pb]

What we need are good quality high schools so college isn’t necessary for 90% of the jobs out there.  Heck, it used to be you could even become an engineer without a degree.

My father in law was an engineer for 20 years without a degree.  He dropped out of a liberal arts college and trained as a machinist.  He worked his way up from there.  He is a brilliant man.

[Hawkmoon]

Clarence Thomas' opinion is brilliantly written. I especially like how he trashed KBJs dissent.

Full text here. Thomas's concurring opinion is lengthy. The part about Jackson begins on page 97 of the PDF, page 47 of Thomas's dissent.

https://washingtonpost.com/documents/4ff078d7-f01b-4533-8edc-5a894fc82cde.pdf?itid=lk_inline_manual_3

[Ron]

Things aren't working anymore, everything is broken. Get the Asians and Caucasians back into system and see if we can stem the bleeding. 

[WLJ]

Here's their work around
Victim scores

    To build a diverse class of students, the medical school at UC Davis ranks applicants by the disadvantages they have faced. The disadvantage scale helped turn UC Davis into one of the most diverse medical schools in the U.S. Can it work nationally? https://t.co/4QGPL48uKe
    — The New York Times (@nytimes) July 4, 2023

New York Times: Could 'adversity scores' replace affirmative action nationwide?
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/07/05/new-york-times-could-adversity-scores-replace-affirmative-action-nationwide-n2385119