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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Balog on January 26, 2015, 06:39:43 PM
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http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2015/01/coyotes_attack_kill_horse_from.html#incart_river
But but but APS keeps telling me how harmless the little song dogs are.
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Are you getting APS and mainstream media mixed up? Most of APS is all for shooting them when they appear.
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"A lot of people are starting to get burros around here," he said, noting the loud noises they make and their willingness to defend themselves and other animals against coyotes.
Osmon did have a few words of advice for any resident that may come in close contact with a coyote.
"Stay clear and leave the area," he said.
Really, get a burro, don't they know how much those things cost? They just need to learn how to coexist with nature and allow the 'yotes their piece of meat, whatever form it takes, cat, dog, little kid, whatever.
Or because it is kind of rural, get a GUN, jeebus, how hard is that?
bob
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Are you getting APS and mainstream media mixed up? Most of APS is all for shooting them when they appear.
No we're not.
They help keep the roaming domestic cat population down in suburbia.
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No we're not.
They help keep the roaming domestic cat population down in suburbia.
and ill trained yippie dogs, you know the punting size that you could kick half way across the block, but they have ninja like skills between lifting your foot to kick and them biting your pant cuff.
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Are you getting APS and mainstream media mixed up? Most of APS is all for shooting them when they appear.
Every time a coyote thread comes up and someone expresses concern that their kid will be attacked, at least a couple people scoff at the notion.
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Every time a coyote thread comes up and someone expresses concern that their kid will be attacked, at least a couple people scoff at the notion.
Oh right.
[tinfoil]
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That's not going to happen. Get real.
:rofl:
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Every time a coyote thread comes up and someone expresses concern that their kid will be attacked, at least a couple people scoff at the notion.
Darwin in action, the weak die, the horse was weak.
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Sadness, horse did not go home at end of shift. =(
bob
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Sadness, horse did not go home at end of shift. =(
No, the horse WAS home after the end of its shift. This just proves that the cops are right -- they are in constant danger even when out of uniform.
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Are you getting APS and mainstream media mixed up? Most of APS is all for shooting them when they appear.
If it has "Yote" in the end of the name, I'm all for ending it's existence!
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If it has "Yote" in the end of the name, I'm all for ending it's existence!
Nancy Peloyote.
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Do the people of Lepeer County, MI really need to be be instructed in this? :facepalm:
...said Osmon of the mare, or an adult female horse...
It's winter up there. You know, cold and snow and stuff. 'Yotes, like just about any other animal, take the easy route whenever possible. Chase a bunny and divvy it up or take down an adult female horse mare? You do the math.
stay safe.
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Darwin in action, the weak die, the horse was weak.
Not as weak as a human.
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Yotes are much bolder . See em in groups in the daytime and they don't run off. That's a mistake. I took a shot from in the door and got em. With a bow. Yotes that close to house is not good and needs immediate correction. I fear my dog will get killed. If that happens I will channel the good capt Quinn and do some ethic cleansing
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Really, get a burro, don't they know how much those things cost?
Well, if they had to explain, "said Osmon of the mare, or an adult female horse..." it tells me that they ain't writing for rural folks. Just city slickers, who probably don't even know what a burro is.
Residents should also eliminate all outdoor food sources, clear out wood and brush piles, as well as keeping pets inside or accompanying them outside if coyotes have been spotted in their area.
Oh, and keep a gun handy.
Terry, 230RN
ETA: I gotta learn to type faster. Wuz beaten to it.
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"A lot of people are starting to get burros around here," he said, noting the loud noises they make and their willingness to defend themselves and other animals against coyotes.
Oh. A burro, not a burrow. I didn't think a hole in the ground would work; without concrete I mean. =)
I wonder if a burrow owl would work.
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If it has "Yote" in the end of the name, I'm all for ending it's existence!
coyote
stray cat-yote
ferral hog-yote
burglar -yote
....this could be useful.
I would want to make an except for Mr. Wyle E. Coyote.
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I'm in the "shoot them on sight to do a favor to humans/domestic animals/pets AND wild coyotes" camp, but I'd be surprised if there wasn't some pre-existing factor regarding the mare that weakened her enough for a pack of coyotes to kill. Maybe injury with shock, or very, very strong training against defending herself from barking/biting dogs.
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Every time a coyote thread comes up and someone expresses concern that their kid will be attacked, at least a couple people scoff at the notion.
We all have different interpretations on the science of biology. For example: some of us understand food webs and complexity of them, some of us look at man in as part of nature, some of us look at man has the right to dominate nature.
Some of use believe/understand that the risk of a coyote actually attacking or even killing a human is less than being hit by lightening.
Some of us have different fears and beliefs.
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Well, if they had to explain, "said Osmon of the mare, or an adult female horse..." it tells me that they ain't writing for rural folks. Just city slickers, who probably don't even know what a burro is.
If a burrito is a small burro, then a burro is a big burrito. I wonder if it was steak or chicken.
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I can't stop a lightening bolt or make my yard less likely to get struck. I can however discourage bold yotes
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I can't stop a lightening bolt or make my yard less likely to get struck. I can however discourage bold yotes
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If you remove the coyotes, what takes its place? Something worse, or do you get overrun with rodents?
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I don't kill em all. I just try to keep em appropriately scared of man. When a group of 6 stand in broad daylight 50 feet from me inside one fence in a yard with dogs they are meat
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I don't kill em all. I just try to keep em appropriately scared of man. When a group of 6 stand in broad daylight 50 feet from me inside one fence in a yard with dogs they are meat
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I have shot my fair share of them also, fun to call them in and take them at 25 yards or less with a shotgun loaded with 4 buck. If you blink, they run like their ass is on fire and their head is catching.
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These don't run
Big mistake
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If you remove the coyotes, what takes its place? Something worse, or do you get overrun with rodents?
Dingos!
Unarmed liberals can really learn what it is like to be "part of nature".
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We've had yotes in our burb ever since I moved here. Now we have bobcats, too. Both prefer to stay near the creek beds. I have no doubt they get lots of kitty cats.
Even have a fox near the kids' school.
For my own part, I don't mind them. Every one I have seen has high-tailed it out of there. Let them eat rats.
If I were in the country, I would shoot on sight, though, to protect my livestock.
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coyote
stray cat-yote
ferral hog-yote
burglar -yote
....this could be useful.
I would want to make an except for Mr. Wyle E. Coyote.
None required. He's got Cartoon Immunity.
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If I were in the country, I would shoot on sight, though, to protect my livestock.
If I had livestock I would have a defensive animal. Like a mule, llama or live stock guardian breed of dog.
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Looking for a mule
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If I had livestock I would have a defensive animal. Like a mule, llama or live stock guardian breed of dog.
Me, too. But donkeys & mules can't shoot that far.
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I have shot my fair share of them also, fun to call them in and take them at 25 yards or less with a shotgun loaded with 4 buck. If you blink, they run like their ass is on fire and their head is catching.
I have it on good authority that a 180gr Barnes TSX aver a hot load pushing around 2900fps will pretty much turn the coyote into an interesting treat for buzzards.
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Me, too. But donkeys & mules can't shoot that far.
but cows do...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQMbXvn2RNI
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My pony, may she rest in peace, would stomp yotes flat. I mean slide em under a door flat.
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Problem is they aren't the same as the western coyotes. They are a coyote/wolf hybrid, and from what I've seen they aren't as scared of people as they should be.
http://www.nature.com/news/rise-of-the-coyote-the-new-top-dog-1.10635 (http://www.nature.com/news/rise-of-the-coyote-the-new-top-dog-1.10635)
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If you blink, they run like their ass is on fire and their head is catching.
:rofl:
I gotta remember that one ! But Charby, now I need to clean up my keyboard and monitor.
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If I had livestock I would have a defensive animal. Like a mule, llama or live stock guardian breed of dog.
Oh yea, that would be just fine until the next hunting season. ;)
http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/sorry-that-llama-sure-looked-like-elk/article_7e1da577-c771-54c3-abe9-033bf7324d69.html
And another.
Yet in 1999 an exotic beast apparently confused a hunter in Montana who brought down an unusual critter on the Cascade Hutterite Colony near Fort Shaw. Only after he and his partner tagged and field dressed their 300 pound trophy and presented it at the local meat processor's did they begin to suspect all was not as it should have been. The processor refused to handle the carcass, so the befuddled hunters next took the animal to the state-run game check station where they were informed that their "deer" was in fact a llama.
Read more at http://www.snopes.com/critters/mishaps/hunters.asp#3lppQrOCu2vAcvST.99
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:rofl:
I gotta remember that one ! But Charby, now I need to clean up my keyboard and monitor.
The "ass on fire" expression isn't mine, its one of a thousand sayings from where I grew up.
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Problem is they aren't the same as the western coyotes. They are a coyote/wolf hybrid, and from what I've seen they aren't as scared of people as they should be.
http://www.nature.com/news/rise-of-the-coyote-the-new-top-dog-1.10635 (http://www.nature.com/news/rise-of-the-coyote-the-new-top-dog-1.10635)
That and coy-dogs, nasty things they are.
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Yotes are much bigger here than out west . I am genuinely worried my border collie will get hurt or worse.
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Yotes are much bigger here than out west . I am genuinely worried my border collie will get hurt or worse.
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Yotes aren't historic to your area, I often wonder if they are a hybrid of the western coyote and extirpated red wolves.
Coyotes used to be western states only. Removal of the wolves and bears from the Midwest, South and East allowed them to expand their range.
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The story is they crossed with wolves grey ones if i remember right. Very different temperament. Beautiful animals.
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(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3353/5722946078_69e85976d7_z.jpg)
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My Dad whacked one saturday, looked to be last years pup, was in the pasture harassing our horses. 22-250 put an end to that nonsense.
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My Dad whacked one saturday, looked to be last years pup, was in the pasture harassing our horses. 22-250 put an end to that nonsense.
I'm Scout26 and I approve this message.
Once enough Fluffy's and Yippie's disappeared the city here decided to hire a trapper. We'll still see one every now and again, as they are managing the population to help keep other critters under control, as opposed to trying to wipe the 'yotes out.
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On occasion I see them around my house. I live off of train tracks and near a golf course.
The local forest preserves I frequent are near both train tracks as well as waterways.
Around the house here they don't seem to loiter but in the woods they show less fear.
I had a fox around my house for a while but it's been a couple years since I've seen it around.
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Our horses were all set to whip his ass, but dad intervened with the Winchester 70 before it could be decided.
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dead 'un
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Remind me not to make your dad mad.
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Remind me not to make your dad mad.
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Nice double lung shot. He painted the snow for probably 60' before dropping. One of the nastier wounds I've seen.
Should've stuck with stray cats, we don't tolerate anything that messes with SWMBO's horses.
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We get all sorts of critters in the back yard. We've seen a fox several times this year. I hear yotes all the time that sound real close and I've. Seen them a few time down by my pond. The wife saw what she believed was a bobcat last week crossing the garden.
I haven't managed to see one yet but there have been multiple credible reports of mountain lions in the area and my dad jumped one up 7-8 years ago that he says looked like it was watching me mow the pasture.
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The story is they crossed with wolves grey ones if i remember right. Very different temperament. Beautiful animals.
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Not saying the story is incorrect, but grey wolf/coyote mix would be a 50-80lb critter.
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coyote
stray cat-yote
ferral hog-yote
burglar -yote
....this could be useful.
I would want to make an except for Mr. Wyle E. Coyote.
Well, he *IS* a SUUUUUUUUUU-per Genius. Of course you'd want to make an exception for him!
Besides, he's really quite resilient. Shoot him in the face, and he just gets all blackened around the muzzle. That's one tough yote.
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We get all sorts of critters in the back yard. We've seen a fox several times this year. I hear yotes all the time that sound real close and I've. Seen them a few time down by my pond. The wife saw what she believed was a bobcat last week crossing the garden.
I haven't managed to see one yet but there have been multiple credible reports of mountain lions in the area and my dad jumped one up 7-8 years ago that he says looked like it was watching me mow the pasture.
Has the Oklahoma F&G finally admitted to cougars in the state? Way back when (late 60's) I was out dove hunting by Apache, OK when I stepped around a tree and came face to face with a cougar using a tree for a scratching post. He looked at me, I looked at him and started backing slowly away and when he was finished he went on his way. All I had was a single shot 12g with bird shot, way undergunned. When I reported the encounter I was told in no uncertain terms that there were no cougars in Oklahoma. I knew better. I also think I saw the tail end of one crossing the road on Ft Sill in the late 90's, wasn't too sure because it was quick and all I really saw was the long tail.
bob
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They've acknowledged they are here, but only in the last 10 year or so. They kind of had their hand forced when one was treed on the outskirts of Tulsa and it was all over the news. They do however state that they are most likely just "passing through".
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They've acknowledged they are here, but only in the last 10 year or so. They kind of had their hand forced when one was treed on the outskirts of Tulsa and it was all over the news. They do however state that they are most likely just "passing through".
If they are male, that is more than likely true. They get pushed out of the Black Hills and Rockies by the dominate male, they just keep traveling following food and looking for love.
We have some in Iowa now, only been one female killed the rest have been male. More than likely followed the Missouri River here. Historically they were found just about everywhere in the US, so I don't find it all that strange.
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They've acknowledged they are here, but only in the last 10 year or so. They kind of had their hand forced when one was treed on the outskirts of Tulsa and it was all over the news. They do however state that they are most likely just "passing through".
The Greyhound bus ticket in their paw is a dead givaway.
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We've had yotes in our burb ever since I moved here. Now we have bobcats, too. Both prefer to stay near the creek beds. I have no doubt they get lots of kitty cats.
Even have a fox near the kids' school.
For my own part, I don't mind them. Every one I have seen has high-tailed it out of there. Let them eat rats.
If I were in the country, I would shoot on sight, though, to protect my livestock.
Coyotes, bobcats, and foxes are common in the Trinity river bottom just south of downtown.
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Not saying the story is incorrect, but grey wolf/coyote mix would be a 50-80lb critter.
one my dog killed weighed 55 pounds and I did not pick up all the entrails to weigh
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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/11/111107-hybrids-coyotes-wolf-virginia-dna-animals-science/
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Problem is they aren't the same as the western coyotes. They are a coyote/wolf hybrid, and from what I've seen they aren't as scared of people as they should be.
http://www.nature.com/news/rise-of-the-coyote-the-new-top-dog-1.10635 (http://www.nature.com/news/rise-of-the-coyote-the-new-top-dog-1.10635)
Lot of coydog hybrids in all states.
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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/11/111107-hybrids-coyotes-wolf-virginia-dna-animals-science/
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Cool, thanks for the info.
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The Illinois DNR kept denying there were Mountain Lions/Cougars in Illinois. Until one went walk-about in Chicago. Hilarity ensued.
Same with Wolves, until three were shot and pictures posted on the Interrtubez by the hunters.
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The Illinois DNR kept denying there were Mountain Lions/Cougars in Illinois. Until one went walk-about in Chicago. Hilarity ensued.
Same with Wolves, until three were shot and pictures posted on the Interrtubez by the hunters.
I have a friend who swears he saw a wolf in the Palos Forest preserve system. He know coyotes and is an avid outdoorsman.
The size, demeanor and gate all screamed wolf to him. He allows for a possible coy dog but it looked like a wolf to him.
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Ha ha, a coyote started yipping what sounds like close to the house just as I was reading this thread. :)
I should get off my butt and break out the NVG to see if I can spot him.
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Game wardens hear swear no mountain lions too. They lie. Have seen pics and video.
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Nancy Peloyote.
I guffawed!