More school madness

[LAK]

More school madness ....

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http://www.wftv.com/news/14858405/detail.html

Knife At Lunch Gets 10-Year-Old Girl Arrested At School

POSTED: 5:41 pm EST December 14, 2007
UPDATED: 4:36 pm EST December 17, 2007


OCALA, Fla. -- A 10-year old Ocala girl brought her lunch to school and a small kitchen knife to cut it. She now faces a felony charge after being arrested. The school and the sheriff's office disagree on the reason for the arrest.

School officials say the 5th grader was brown-bagging it. She brought a piece of steak for her lunch, but she also brought a steak knife. That's when deputies were called.

It happened in the cafeteria at Sunrise Elementary School. The 10-year-old used the knife to cut the meat.

"She did not use it inappropriately. She did not threaten anyone with it. She didn't pull it out and brandish it. Nothing of that nature," explained Marion County School Spokesman Kevin Christian.

But a couple of teachers took the utensil and called the sheriff. When deputies arrived, they were unable to get the child's parents on the phone, so they arrested her and took her to the county's juvenile assessment center.

"And we didn't handcuff her or treat her like a criminal. But, we took her to the assessment center to be assessed," said Capt. James Pogue, Marion County Sheriff's Office.

School officials said it doesn't matter what the knife was being used for. They said they had no choice.

"Anytime there's a weapon on campus, yes, we have to report it and we aggressively report it because we don't want to take any chances, regardless," Christian said.

But the sheriff's office said the extreme measures in what some may say was a harmless incident had to do with school policy, not theirs.

"But once we're notified, we have to take some type of action," Pogue explained.

The student now faces a felony charge for the possession of a weapon on school property and the principal suspended her for ten days. The parents of the girl could not be reached for comment.

The sheriff's office has turned the case over to the State Attorney's Office.

[Ron]

Welcome to bizzaro world.   

[LAK]

"And we didn't handcuff her or treat her like a criminal. But, we took her to the assessment center to be assessed," said Capt. James Pogue, Marion County Sheriff's Office.

And re-reading this I find this statement particularly bothering.

[Manedwolf]

Using a knife? To cut food?

Bad girl! No independent problem-solving allowed! She ought to have sawed at her government-issue mystery meat with a safe plastic spork like all the rest of the indoctrination center subjects!

[LAK]

I think even plastic cutlery items can be used as weapons and are all dangerous - they should be forced to eat with their fingers.

[Manedwolf]

I wonder, if someone brought in a knapped obsidian arrowhead, especially as a necklace, would that be a "knife" now, too?

[grampster]

Hmmmm.  No wonder schools are failing their mission of education.  No one bothered to teach the teachers/administrators anything about critical thinking, decision making, individual responsibility, common sense, etc etc.

As for the police. 
"But once we're notified, we have to take some type of action," Pogue explained."

That is correct.  The action they could have taken is to have confiscated the knife, talked to the girl and school folks.  Made a decision that there was no law being broken and left the scene and filled out a report.  The point is they didn't have to take her into custody, have her brain picked and charge her with a felony.

Our country is losing its collective mind because the so called best and brightest who are in leadership positions are fools.

[griz]

"And we didn't handcuff her or treat her like a criminal. But, we took her to the assessment center to be assessed," said Capt. James Pogue, Marion County Sheriff's Office.

And re-reading this I find this statement particularly bothering.

Agreed.  How did we get to tyhe point where the police and the school agree that there was no intent to harm, no threat, no danger to anybody.  Yet we HAD to arrest a 10 year old girl because the rules say so.

[Manedwolf]

Educate? Schools don't educate anymore. They indoctrinate.

Public schools are for molding young minds into the proper preset social norms as dictated by school boards and social agenda leftists. Didn't you know that?

History, civics, literature, tsk...passe. It's all slanted toward the White Man anyway, and White Guilt needs to be instilled. What's more important is "diversity", "tolerance", and that "everyone is gifted". That America is the great oppressor, and that every third-world failed socialist experiment is a Magical Land filled with Happy People and Magical Animals. That you should never be aggressive or defend yourself, but should instead give people things they demand, because that's the path to World Peace. And that if your mommy and daddy think that a family should have a mommy and daddy, well, then they're hateful relics and you're going to learn other ways to think.

Oh, and can't have anyone excel or be proud of an accomplishment. That would make the others have poor self-esteem!

Celebrate mediocrity, young subjects! And no problem-solving on your own...or knives.

[Joe Demko]

Public schools are for molding young minds into the proper preset social norms as dictated by school boards and social agenda leftists. Didn't you know that?

Let's stipulate that that is even true and use it for a learning moment: What does the right have to say for itself after standing by and letting it happen?

[Manedwolf]

Public schools are for molding young minds into the proper preset social norms as dictated by school boards and social agenda leftists. Didn't you know that?

Let's stipulate that that is even true and use it for a learning moment: What does the right have to say for itself after standing by and letting it happen?

Well, that doesn't make sense if it's the fault of leftists who deliberately pushed the agendas we have going on, now. Leftists created "zero tolerance" policies, not Republicans. Not the people who used to bring a .22 rifle to school with them as kids!

That's like blaming the victim of a crime for not fighting off the attacker hard enough, rather than blaming the attacker for committing a crime.

[Joe Demko]

Nope, that doesn't fly.   The right has controlled the executive and legislative branches for extended periods.  If this is what happened to schools then they either did nothing to stop it when they could have done so or they actively participated in creating the situation.

[Manedwolf]

But who created and pushed the agenda?

Why aren't you blaming the architects, rather than the people who didn't do enough to stop it? The people who deliberately have been engineering a social upheaval of American culture to suit themselves, knowing full well what they're doing. That makes no sense! Blame them!

[roo_ster]

According to Demkoian logic, the Armenians are responsible for getting slaughtered by the Turks.

As to what the "right" is doing about it?

Well, this man of the right is doing several things:
1. Not allowing my kids into the government school system
2. Political activity to promote vouchers
3. More political activity to undermine the legitimacy of the government school system
4. Fighting every single property tax increase, so as to starve the Beast.
5. Pushing for both border controls and internal enforcement to reduce the number of illegal aliens...illegals being the big pole in the tent, when it comes to government schools whining about needing more money
6. Supporting private initiatives to sell old apartment blocks, tear them down, and build high-dollar condos/townhomes or McMansions...thus depriving the illegals of  the "habitat" they need to live in the school district


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The article in the OP is yet another example of knuckleheads running the show.  THESE are the folks setting the example at government schools.

[Joe Demko]

Don't be absurd.  Everything in the government does in this country is a result of the political process of which the right has always been a part.  "Liberals" did not enforce this state of affairs you claim exists  on everybody else at the point of a gun.  The side you are defending was part of the process every step of the way.  Schools are overwhelmingly controlled at the local level by locally elected schhol boards, some control is at the state level, comparatively little comes from the federal level. I guess the right must not have cared enough to run anybody for school board?

[HankB]

. . . I guess the right must not have cared enough to run anybody for school board?

Or maybe they already had real jobs . . .

[Joe Demko]

Either the right is politically effective or it is not. 

[Manedwolf]

Either the right is politically effective or it is not. 

Fine. They'd be most effective if they threw Teddy Kennedy, Feinstein, Schumer et al in Gitmo, so they'd stop doing damage.

That what you want?

[Joe Demko]

No, I'm just tired of the "victim mentality" whining on the part of rightists.  Everything that's wrong with the country is the fault of the leftists and the poor widdle righties couldn't do a thing about it.  It's all the other guy's fault.
If, in fact, the right was unable to prevent the left from enacting their agenda under our political system, several possibilities spring to mind:
1.  The right is politically ineffective and is unable to sway the crucial undecided voters; they can only preach to their own choir.
2.  The American public isn't interested in having a right-wing way of life.
3.  The right wing politicians didn't fight very hard for the people they represent i.e. the right chose poorly for their elected officials.

I could go on.  If the present mess you claim exists is actuall due to the unimpeded actions of the left, then the right isn't good for much but impotent, after the fact  whining, is it?

[Matthew Carberry]

Alternately, and I'm asking as much if not more than stating, didn't much of the current national education policy get Constitutionally okay'd by Roosevelt's merry band of commies in the judicial?

It gets harder to change things legislatively or executively when the mechanisms for change have been locked out by judicial action.

For example, "zero tolerance" is as much about ensuring so-called "equal treatment" as it is "safety".  For fear of being accused (and sued for) bias in disciplining students, schools fall back on lock-step policy rather than reason.

After all, if little Johnny is a known troublemaker but has parents who will go to court for their snowflake the school district is staring down the barrel of bias charges when little Johnny the repeat bad seed is punished for starting a fight and the innocent victim, merely defending themself, is not punished equally.  because all violence is morally and equally bad.

Throw in the potential that little Johnny is in a protected class and the victim isn't and you know the "R" word will be thrown before the bruises even form.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't, and by the courts and lingering miasma of "equality before reason", which there is little either party can do to control, even if one party was interested in doing it.

[Joe Demko]

Either the right is effective, and able to sway the electorate/enact its policies, or it is not.  There is nothing else save excuses.  If the right is not able to do that, then rightists are politically irrelevant.  Their rantings are as the squeakings of mice.

[Tallpine]

Joe, I choose door #3

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

Either the right is effective, and able to sway the electorate/enact its policies, or it is not.  There is nothing else save excuses.  If the right is not able to do that, then rightists are politically irrelevant.  Their rantings are as the squeakings of mice.

Yeah, what he said.  You suckers aren't perfect, so you suck.  Our country isn't a Libertarian Utopia, and it's all the Republicans' fault for not making it one.  We Libertarians and Paulistas would make things perfect, if only they'd let us run the country.

[Joe Demko]

We're not talking about a perfect world here.  We're talking about the dirty world of politics.  Either you can get the voters on your side and enact your policies or you cannot.  What other options are there besides whining?  Please don't tell me about rightists doing their best.  Remember what Sean Connery said about that in "The Untouchables."

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

Yeah, what he said again!  Policymaking is a binary "either/or" type thing, with no middle ground.  Either you get everything done that you want, or you're a FAILURE!

The rightists FAILED.  And now all they're doing about it is WHINING.

Dirty whiners, the lot of 'em.




(This is fun.  I shoulda left the sensible side of politics a long time ago.  )