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Re: The establishment folks double down against Trump
« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2016, 06:41:29 AM »
I'd prefer Cruz, but would have no real issues voting for Trump over Clinton or Sanders. FWIW I'd feel better voting for Cruz or Trump than I did voting for McCain or Romney.

I don't trust Cruz or Trump, but I'd vote for Atilla the Hun before I'd vote Democratic this year, so my vote is going to have to be for whoever the Rs come up with just to try to stop Hillary. And if other Republicans ... as well as independents who care about having a future for this country ... don't wake up and just agree to vote against Hillary, the country is doomed. It's just that simple, IMHO.
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Re: The establishment folks double down against Trump
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2016, 07:06:48 AM »
I don't trust Cruz or Trump, but I'd vote for Atilla the Hun before I'd vote Democratic this year, so my vote is going to have to be for whoever the Rs come up with just to try to stop Hillary. And if other Republicans ... as well as independents who care about having a future for this country ... don't wake up and just agree to vote against Hillary, the country is doomed. It's just that simple, IMHO.

Which is exactly what the GOPe wants.  And which is what has been happening for the last 4 elections.
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Re: The establishment folks double down against Trump
« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2016, 07:34:17 AM »
Which is exactly what the GOPe wants.  And which is what has been happening for the last 4 elections.

and now their little process is broken, maybe can't be fixed. Too many people that want to redefine the GOP, kind of like 1979-1980 with the Democrats.
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Re: The establishment folks double down against Trump
« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2016, 08:07:20 AM »
I'm not convinced that a Trump presidency would be that big a departure from any other establishment candidate being elected.

He has no core principles that we know of so everything is on the table when it comes to making deals.
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Re: Re: The establishment folks double down against Trump
« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2016, 12:14:59 PM »
I'd be willing to believe that, except that such a notion implies the establishment is intelligent enough to act with reverse psychology.




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Re: The establishment folks double down against Trump
« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2016, 02:52:27 PM »
I don't trust Cruz or Trump, but I'd vote for Atilla the Hun before I'd vote Democratic this year, so my vote is going to have to be for whoever the Rs come up with just to try to stop Hillary. And if other Republicans ... as well as independents who care about having a future for this country ... don't wake up and just agree to vote against Hillary, the country is doomed. It's just that simple, IMHO.

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Re: Re: The establishment folks double down against Trump
« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2016, 05:23:24 PM »
Agreed.....the party that nominated McCain and Romney isn't that crafty.


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Re: The establishment folks double down against Trump
« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2016, 07:54:16 PM »
The GOPe (McConnell and Ryan mostly) created Trump.  They did so by first screwing over the TEA party candidate in Mississippi, then by promptly giving Obama everything he asked for, immediately after an election when people turned out in records numbers so that the GOP would STOP Obama.

Not that I think that Trump will work to overturn the establishment, as he has always been part of it. 

If the nominee is not Cruz, then I will probably vote L. 
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Re: The establishment folks double down against Trump
« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2016, 04:02:46 PM »
Cruz is lining up with the GOPe and progressive media (I know redundant) in blaming Trump for the violence at his rallies.

He should be calling out BLM, Move-On, Soros and Sanders followers for their agitation and encouragement of disruptive protests. Or at least keep his mouth shut.

There was a chance I was actually going to vote for him but I think I might be getting over that feverdream. I'm losing what respect I've had for him drip by drip.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/11/ted-cruz-says-donald-trump-is-to-blame-for-violence-at-his-rallies/?_r=0
 
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Re: The establishment folks double down against Trump
« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2016, 04:18:33 PM »
Cruz is lining up with the GOPe and progressive media (I know redundant) in blaming Trump for the violence at his rallies.

He should be calling out BLM, Move-On, Soros and Sanders followers for their agitation and encouragement of disruptive protests. Or at least keep his mouth shut.

There was a chance I was actually going to vote for him but I think I might be getting over that feverdream. I'm losing what respect I've had for him drip by drip.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/11/ted-cruz-says-donald-trump-is-to-blame-for-violence-at-his-rallies/?_r=0
 

Yes, I'm rather flabbergasted by what he and other R's have been saying. While I'm not a Trump guy, the idea that he's responsible, not the SJWs, for the violence, is perplexing to me. Nothing he has said or done should induce violence. Heated debate? Sure. The threats and violence though, are pretty much all the responsibility of the usual progressive crowd. The fact that the other R candidates are jumping in on the same side as the SJWs is disheartening.
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Re: The establishment folks double down against Trump
« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2016, 05:41:05 PM »
I'm turning into a Trump guy, not because I think he'll make a great president or maybe not even a good president. I'm just screaming mad at what the establishment, now apparently including Cruz, are doing to Trump and his supporters.

The pezzonavante think they can tell the voters who they're going to support. It's time to change that.

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Re: The establishment folks double down against Trump
« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2016, 06:16:42 PM »
 Something I plucked from another site:
Written by the distinguished Bill Bennett about Donald

I think you will find it very interesting and alarming. You might want to take the time to read it.
   
They will kill him before they let him be president. It could be a Republican or a Democrat that instigates the shutting up of Trump.
Don’t be surprised if Trump has an accident. Some people are getting very nervous: Barack Obama, Valerie Jarrett, Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton and Jon Corzine, to name just a few.
It's about the unholy dynamics between big government, big business, and big media. They all benefit by the billions of dollars from this partnership, and it's in all of their interests to protect one another. It's one for all and all for one. It’s a heck of a filthy relationship that makes everyone filthy rich, everyone except the American people. We get ripped off. We’re the patsies. But for once, the powerful socialist cabal and the corrupt crony capitalists are scared. The over-the-top reaction to Trump by politicians of both parties, the media, and the biggest corporations of America has been so swift and insanely angry that it suggests they are all threatened and frightened.
Donald Trump can self-fund. No matter how much they say to the contrary, the media, business, and political elite understand that Trump is no joke. He could actually win and upset their nice cozy apple cart.
It's no coincidence that everyone has gotten together to destroy The Donald. It's because most of the other politicians are part of the a good old boys club. They talk big, but they won’t change a thing. They are all beholden to big-money donors. They are all owned by lobbyists, unions, lawyers, gigantic environmental organizations, and multinational corporations – like Big Pharmacy or Big Oil. Or they are owned lock, stock, and barrel by foreigners like George Soros owns Obama or foreign governments own Hillary and their Clinton Foundation donations.
These run-of-the-mill establishment politicians are all puppets owned by big money. But there's one man who isn't beholden to anyone. There's one man who doesn't need foreigners, or foreign governments, or George Soros, or the United Auto Workers, or the teacher's union, or the Service Employees International Union, or the Bar Association to fund his campaign.
Billionaire tycoon and maverick Donald Trump doesn’t need anyone’s help. That means he doesn’t care what the media says. He doesn’t care what the corporate elites think. That makes him very dangerous to the entrenched interests. That makes Trump a huge threat to those people. Trump can ruin everything for the bribed politicians and their spoiled slave masters.
Don’t you ever wonder why the GOP has never tried to impeach Obama? Don’t you wonder why John Boehner and Mitch McConnell talk a big game, but never actually try to stop Obama? Don’t you wonder why Congress holds the purse strings, yet has never tried to de-fund Obamacare or Obama’s clearly illegal executive action on amnesty for illegal aliens? Bizarre, right? It defies logic, right?
 First, I'd guess many key Republicans are being bribed. Secondly, I believe many key Republicans are being blackmailed. Whether they are having affairs, or secretly gay, or stealing taxpayer money, the National Security Agency knows everything.
Ask former House Speaker Dennis Hastert about that. The government even knew he was withdrawing large sums of his own money from his own bank account. The NSA, the SEC, the IRS, and all the other three-letter government agencies are watching every Republican political leader. They surveil everything. Thirdly, many Republicans are petrified of being called racists, so they are scared to ever criticize Obama or call out his crimes, let alone demand his impeachment. Fourth , why rock the boat? After defeat or retirement, if you’re a good old boy, you’ve got a $5 million-per-year lobbying job waiting. The big-money interests have the system gamed. Win or lose, they win.
But Trump doesn’t play by any of these rules. Trump breaks up this nice, cozy relationship between big government, big media, and big business. All the rules are out the window if Trump wins the Presidency. The other politicians will protect Obama and his aides but not Trump. Remember: Trump is the guy who publicly questioned Obama's birth certificate. He questioned Obama's college records and how a mediocre student got into an Ivy League university. Now, he's doing something no Republican has the chutzpah to do. He's questioning our relationship with Mexico; he's questioning why the border is wide open; he's questioning why no wall has been built across the border; he's questioning if allowing millions of illegal aliens into America is in our best interests; he's questioning why so many illegal aliens commit violent crimes, yet are not deported; and he's questioning why our trade deals with Mexico, Russia and China are so bad.
Trump has the audacity to ask out loud why American workers always get the short end of the stick. Good question! I'm certain Trump will question what happened to the almost billion dollars given in a rigged no-bid contract to college friends of Michelle Obama at foreign companies to build the defective Obamacare website. By the way, that tab is now up to $5 billion. Trump will ask if Obamacare's architects can be charged with fraud for selling it by lying. Trump will investigate Obama's widespread IRS conspiracy, not to mention Obama's college records. Trump will prosecute Clinton and Obama for fraud committed to cover up Benghazi before the election. How about the fraud committed by employees of the Labor Department when they made up dramatic job numbers in the last jobs report before the 2012 election?
Obama, the multinational corporations and the media need to stop Trump. They recognize this could get out of control. If left unchecked, telling the raw truth and asking questions everyone else is afraid to ask, Trump could wake a sleeping giant. Trump's election would be a nightmare. Obama has committed many crimes. No one else but Trump would dare to prosecute. He will not hesitate. Once Trump gets in and gets a look at the cooked books and Obama's records, the game is over. The goose is cooked. Holder could wind up in prison. Jarrett could wind up in prison. Obama bundler Corzine could wind up in prison for losing $1.5 billion of customer money. Clinton could wind up in jail for deleting 32,000 emails or for accepting bribes from foreign governments while Secretary of State, or for misplacing $6 billion as the head of the State Department, or for lying about Benghazi. The entire upper level management of the IRS could wind up in prison.
Obamacare will be de-funded and dismantled. Obama himself could wind up ruined, his legacy in tatters. Trump will investigate. Trump will prosecute. Trump will go after everyone involved. That’s why the dogs of hell have been unleashed on Donald Trump.
Yes, it's become open season on Donald Trump. The left and the right are determined to attack his policies, harm his businesses, and, if possible, even keep him out of the coming debates. But they can't silence him. And they sure can't intimidate him. The more they try, the more the public will realize that he's the one telling the truth".[/left]


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Re: The establishment folks double down against Trump
« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2016, 06:25:12 PM »
I'm just screaming mad at what the establishment, now apparently including Cruz, are doing to Trump and his supporters.


It's getting easier and easier to become a part of the establishment. It ain't the elite, exclusive group it used to be. I donated about $20 to Cruz, so I guess I'm established. I wonder if they have my parking spot all marked out down on K street, yet.
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Re: The establishment folks double down against Trump
« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2016, 06:33:40 PM »
Yes, I'm rather flabbergasted by what he and other R's have been saying. While I'm not a Trump guy, the idea that he's responsible, not the SJWs, for the violence, is perplexing to me. Nothing he has said or done should induce violence. Heated debate? Sure. The threats and violence though, are pretty much all the responsibility of the usual progressive crowd. The fact that the other R candidates are jumping in on the same side as the SJWs is disheartening.

I think it's the scare of Trump that's made them stupid. I do think Trumps continued presence in their little sandbox has them running around like chickens with the heads cut off.

... and they should be scared of the monster they created. I would say it serves them right.

When it comes time, I'll vote Cruz or Libertarian, I don't think the powers that be like Cruz anymore than they like Trump, but if they swallow their pride and take Cruz, it will be a sign of... something, and better Cruz than which ever nutjob the Dems put up. But I won't vote for Trump. I really just don't see the point.
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Re: The establishment folks double down against Trump
« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2016, 06:49:17 PM »

If the nominee is not Cruz, then I will probably vote L.  

What scout said.  Maybe even juyst plain vote L.
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Re: The establishment folks double down against Trump
« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2016, 07:38:25 PM »
Something I plucked from another site:
Written by the distinguished Bill Bennett about Donald ....

Well I hope if Trump gets elected he would do if not all at least some of those things. I wouldn't hold your breath though.

Bill Bennett is GOPe to the core, I doubt he wrote that missive.
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Re: The establishment folks double down against Trump
« Reply #41 on: March 13, 2016, 10:26:30 PM »
I don't want Hillary to be president, so I will vote whomever (choke, even Cruz) is on the republican ballot for president come November. Not going to throw away my electoral opinion by staying home, not voting for president or voting third party.
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Re: The establishment folks double down against Trump
« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2016, 07:51:13 AM »
Cruz is lining up with the GOPe and progressive media (I know redundant) in blaming Trump for the violence at his rallies.

He should be calling out BLM, Move-On, Soros and Sanders followers for their agitation and encouragement of disruptive protests. Or at least keep his mouth shut.

There was a chance I was actually going to vote for him but I think I might be getting over that feverdream. I'm losing what respect I've had for him drip by drip.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/11/ted-cruz-says-donald-trump-is-to-blame-for-violence-at-his-rallies/?_r=0
 

I was planning to vote for cruz until I saw wgat happened in chicago, where he more or kess algned himself with the commies. If Trump is hated that badly by those people, he can't be all that bad.
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Re: The establishment folks double down against Trump
« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2016, 08:18:22 AM »
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Re: The establishment folks double down against Trump
« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2016, 10:56:58 AM »
It's not particularly difficult to become the enemy of the BLM/FSA.

That being said, it's funny that they think their criticism/tantrum would hurt Trump.
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Re: The establishment folks double down against Trump
« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2016, 10:59:10 AM »
It's not particularly difficult to become the enemy of the BLM/FSA.

That being said, it's funny that they think their criticism/tantrum would hurt Trump.

I suspect he meant the establishment and their media toadies as much as BLM/FSA types.
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Re: The establishment folks double down against Trump
« Reply #46 on: March 14, 2016, 11:33:33 AM »
The GOPe (McConnell and Ryan mostly) created Trump.  They did so by first screwing over the TEA party candidate in Mississippi, then by promptly giving Obama everything he asked for, immediately after an election when people turned out in records numbers so that the GOP would STOP Obama.

Not that I think that Trump will work to overturn the establishment, as he has always been part of it. 

If the nominee is not Cruz, then I will probably vote L. 

The really hilarious thing is, Trump funded both McConell and Boehner's crusade AGAINST the Tea Party:

http://theresurgent.com/in-2013-and-2014-donald-trump-was-funding-john-boehner-mitch-mcconnell-against-the-tea-party/

This primary is so stupid.

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Re: The establishment folks double down against Trump
« Reply #47 on: March 14, 2016, 12:08:10 PM »
The really hilarious thing is, Trump funded both McConell and Boehner's crusade AGAINST the Tea Party:

http://theresurgent.com/in-2013-and-2014-donald-trump-was-funding-john-boehner-mitch-mcconnell-against-the-tea-party/

This primary is so stupid.

As I've said elsewhere, I can't trust Trump.

Related: http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/272789-carson-reveals-why-he-endorsed-trump

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In an interview with The Hill, Carson recalled the process by which he came around to supporting the controversial front-runner, who was once his rival for the GOP nomination.
 
“I needed to know that he could listen to other people, that he could change his opinions, and that some of the more outlandish things that he’s said, that he didn’t really believe those things,” Carson said.
 
When asked which statements Trump might back away from, Carson demurred.
 
“I’ll let him talk about that because I don’t think it’s fair for me to relay a private conversation,” he said.
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Re: The establishment folks double down against Trump
« Reply #48 on: March 14, 2016, 12:19:46 PM »
It may be the first time anyone's endorsed a candidate by calling him two-faced.
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Re: The establishment folks double down against Trump
« Reply #49 on: March 14, 2016, 02:46:24 PM »
It may be the first time anyone's endorsed a candidate by calling him two-faced.

Honestly, I think the only one that isn't is Bernie, he really believes his BS.
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