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NeoReactionary, Dark Enlightenment etc...
« on: December 28, 2014, 10:41:37 AM »
I've been reading a bunch of their blogs and have found them often interesting and insightful even while disagreeing with them on monarchy/aristocracy and a whole host of other stuff.

In short I can't believe a bunch of folks who are as smart as they obviously are make the same error the leftists/communists make.

"We just don't have the right folks in charge"

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http://neorxn.com/
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Re: NeoReactionary, Dark Enlightenment etc...
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2014, 01:26:46 PM »
It's monarcho-capitalism!

I like it. Compared to  anarcho-capitalism, it seems more possible and less utopian. I'm not positive how this is not just the end - game of fascism,  where the corporate sector eventually kicks out the politicians altogether....like if Google just bought out congress and then Google stock was the new treasury bond.
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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2014, 03:44:40 PM »
Read a few of them.  Quite a diversity of views on what ought to be the system.  The neomonarchists get much of the oxygen due to novelty.
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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2014, 09:56:45 PM »
The idea that one share of the company-state should buy one vote is sort of fascinating, and reminds me of regimes where only landowners could vote.
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Re: NeoReactionary, Dark Enlightenment etc...
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2014, 01:54:37 AM »
I've been reading a bunch of their blogs and have found them often interesting and insightful even while disagreeing with them on monarchy/aristocracy and a whole host of other stuff.

In short I can't believe a bunch of folks who are as smart as they obviously are make the same error the leftists/communists make.

"We just don't have the right folks in charge"

If you are curious:

http://neorxn.com/

If "We just need the right people in charge" is what you got out of it, you're not looking in the right places. The entire point of neo-reactionaries is that monarchy is a system that has worked in the past. They're right. Socialism et al never works.
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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2014, 09:35:44 AM »
If "We just need the right people in charge" is what you got out of it, you're not looking in the right places. The entire point of neo-reactionaries is that monarchy is a system that has worked in the past. They're right. Socialism et al never works.

Nobody has come right out and said that but SOMEBODY gets to be the aristocracy and monarch that straightens things out, right?

As I said, I think there is a lot of good and interesting analysis and it has kept me reading.

Not sure I'm ready to declare loyalty to the King though  ;) :laugh:  
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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2014, 01:58:00 PM »
Nobody has come right out and said that but SOMEBODY gets to be the aristocracy and monarch that straightens things out, right?

As I said, I think there is a lot of good and interesting analysis and it has kept me reading.

Not sure I'm ready to declare loyalty to the King though  ;) :laugh:  

The point of neoreaction is that the system is better. It's sort of a truism that any system is better with better people, but for equivalent quality of rulers monarchy is superior due to the incentives in place.
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2014, 02:20:31 PM »
Read a few of them.  Quite a diversity of views on what ought to be the system.  The neomonarchists get much of the oxygen due to novelty.

A tad ironic, that, given even the most cursory knowledge of history.
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Re: NeoReactionary, Dark Enlightenment etc...
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2014, 06:22:27 PM »
The first blog I stumbled into is still my favorite.
http://www.socialmatter.net/

Henry Dampier is a contributor to it as well as having his own blog. I enjoy his writings about cultural issues.
http://www.henrydampier.com/




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Re: NeoReactionary, Dark Enlightenment etc...
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2014, 09:50:16 AM »
If "We just need the right people in charge" is what you got out of it, you're not looking in the right places. The entire point of neo-reactionaries is that monarchy is a system that has worked in the past. They're right. Socialism et al never works.

The point of neoreaction is that the system is better. It's sort of a truism that any system is better with better people, but for equivalent quality of rulers monarchy is superior due to the incentives in place.

"Better" and "worked" by what measure?

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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2015, 02:07:07 PM »
"Better" and "worked" by what measure?

Good questions.

I consider myself a classical liberal. That by definition means I believe in some government.

It also means I believe we are to be a nation of law not men.

Yet that also means I must rely on wise humans to discover and codify these laws and rely on humans of sound character to uphold and enforce them.

Even in a free state that respects inalienable natural rights there will be a hierarchy so there is a case to be made for hierarchy. The history of our country shows that an elite can found and run a country while bound by the chains of law.

The neo-reactionaries writing of the superiority of aristocracy and monarchy detracts from sound arguments about hierarchy.
For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity, that they may be without excuse. Because knowing God, they didn’t glorify him as God, and didn’t give thanks, but became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.