No Cops To Help Her Due To Budget Cuts

[Tallpine]

With all the publicity, I wonder if some serial predator isn't on the way to Josephine County right now.

I dunno ... seems like a good place to become an object of the Triple S 

[MechAg94]

My other question, she spent 10 minutes or more talking to a 911 dispatcher who told her right away he couldn't help.  She didn't know anyone else?  I guess she had no back door to make a run for it. 

[MechAg94]

maybe   maybe not
http://www.kdrv.com/josephine-co-to-recruit-volunteers/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/17/josephine-county-oregon-citizens-against-crime_n_1975029.html

It wasn't enough was it.  The 911 dispatcher wasn't calling them either so i guess no volunteers were in that area or none were willing to cover nights since no cops would do it either.  Even if it took them a while to respond, they probably would have still seen the crime in progress.  

You can cover 24/7 with 4 people with minimal overtime.  They have 2 more to cover days.  They aren't trying.  
It really brings questions to mind about those cops and their relationship with the public there. 

[MechAg94]

This reminds me of a strange movie preview I have seen lately.  
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2184339/

The Purge.  Not sure it is worth seeing, but just the strange idea that a period of legal lawlessness would improve things seems like the silliest thing I have ever seen. 

Sort of like that stupid short story they made us read in school where some town would stone to death one person each year and supposedly that made things okay the rest of the year.  

Maybe that is another thread. 

[kgbsquirrel]

First, you can cover 24/7 with 6 cops, you will just have one most of the time. 

Out of 83K people, where are the volunteers?

With no cops, I would think neighborhood groups would take action.  The Sheriff should call for them if no one else will.  I guess we are a long way from our pioneer days. 

Have Volunteer PO same as Volunteer FF. Schedule their duty times and give them the same sort of scanner/pager.

[gunsmith]

This reminds me of a strange movie preview I have seen lately.  
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2184339/

The Purge.  Not sure it is worth seeing, but just the strange idea that a period of legal lawlessness would improve things seems like the silliest thing I have ever seen. 

Sort of like that stupid short story they made us read in school where some town would stone to death one person each year and supposedly that made things okay the rest of the year.  

Maybe that is another thread. 

You mean The Lottery, by shirley Jackson?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lottery

"lottery in June, crops be heavy soon"

That's one of the best stories in the history of ever!
Really disturbed me as a kid, I think it was the 4th grade or something.

[Perd Hapley]

This reminds me of a strange movie preview I have seen lately.  
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2184339/

The Purge.  Not sure it is worth seeing, but just the strange idea that a period of legal lawlessness would improve things seems like the silliest thing I have ever seen. 

I really doubt that was the film-maker's point. It's probably meant to portray the horrors of an America where George Zimmerman is allowed to hunt black people with guns, once a year. Guns are bad, "Stand Your Ground" is a license to kill, etc.

Sort of like that stupid short story they made us read in school where some town would stone to death one person each year and supposedly that made things okay the rest of the year.  

Stupid?    You don't like stories with a twist at the end, or what?

[zahc]

I like the star trek episode where the two warring planets play virtual-reality wargames, and the "casualties" voluntarily kill themselves via some humane death-chamber thing. The idea is to allow a mechanism for human propensity for warfare to be fulfilled, but save the resources that would be spent on a "real" war and also save the infrastructure damage. It' (spock eyebrow) fascinating because the idea seems so wrong, but you have to admit it's better than real war in every way.

[MillCreek]

I like the star trek episode where the two warring planets play virtual-reality wargames, and the "casualties" voluntarily kill themselves via some humane death-chamber thing. The idea is to allow a mechanism for human propensity for warfare to be fulfilled, but save the resources that would be spent on a "real" war and also save the infrastructure damage. It' (spock eyebrow) fascinating because the idea seems so wrong, but you have to admit it's better than real war in every way.

Sadly enough, I knew the title of the episode immediately: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Taste_of_Armageddon

[Tallpine]

Have Volunteer PO same as Volunteer FF. Schedule their duty times and give them the same sort of scanner/pager.

Vigilance Committee  


Actually, everyone (sheriff,fire,EMS,road crews,school buses,etc) uses the same radio channels in our county except now they have an encrypted sheriff channel that only works in/near town.  They still have to use the repeaters out in the hills.

Really I have no sympathy for anyone living out in the country and not prepared to defend him/herself.  Even without budget cuts it's going to be 20 to 40 minutes before a deputy gets there.

[slingshot]

I have sympathy but law enforcement is about enforcement not protection.  People need to get used to this.  But if you use the Benghazi example, calling 911 would still be effective even with a 40 minute response time.  But cops are mostly about mopping up the blood and trying to find out "who done it?".

This is also what happens when local governments depend too much on the Federal government.  When the wind blows another way, the locals are left out in the cold.  I detest the Obama method of making cuts that regular people will see versus truly cutting costs overall.  The National Parks are a good example with campground closures.  Not sure if they will be opening up all of them after Memorial Day or not.  But clearly the summer help portion will be cut back.  Those jobs are really great for young people.

[RoadKingLarry]

Have Volunteer PO same as Volunteer FF. Schedule their duty times and give them the same sort of scanner/pager.

We have that here. Reserve officers, city and county have them, they are required to have same cert as regular officer. Basically, they get to dress up, carry a gun and play cops and revenue source just like the big boys but without pay.

[gunsmith]

We have that here. Reserve officers, city and county have them, they are required to have same cert as regular officer. Basically, they get to dress up, carry a gun and play cops and revenue source just like the big boys but without pay.

Do they get national reciprocity like sworn officers?

[Tallpine]

We have that here. Reserve officers, city and county have them, they are required to have same cert as regular officer. Basically, they get to dress up, carry a gun and play cops and revenue source just like the big boys but without pay.

I actually thought about trying to do that about ten years ago, but then:

a) I'm getting too old to chase somebody down and wrassle with them

b) I could never swear to enforce the bull-sheet laws like MJ and seat belts, etc

[MechAg94]

I really doubt that was the film-maker's point. It's probably meant to portray the horrors of an America where George Zimmerman is allowed to hunt black people with guns, once a year. Guns are bad, "Stand Your Ground" is a license to kill, etc.



Stupid?    You don't like stories with a twist at the end, or what?

I guess it was the implication that such stuff is okay if it works.  Maybe that was from that liberal literature teacher. 

[MechAg94]

I like the star trek episode where the two warring planets play virtual-reality wargames, and the "casualties" voluntarily kill themselves via some humane death-chamber thing. The idea is to allow a mechanism for human propensity for warfare to be fulfilled, but save the resources that would be spent on a "real" war and also save the infrastructure damage. It' (spock eyebrow) fascinating because the idea seems so wrong, but you have to admit it's better than real war in every way.

It is only better in every way if you accept warfare as inevitable and someone else dies.  The politicians would not be in a hurry to end it if there was little down side. 

[seeker_two]

It is only better in every way if you accept warfare as inevitable and someone else dies.  The politicians would not be in a hurry to end it if there was little down side. 

Maybe it would go better if we did like the Roman Republic & make the politicians actually lead troops in the field....