It's not my fault I can't control my behavior.

[brimic]

Maybe we need to bring back the custom of tarring and feathering bureaucrats who get too big for their britches . . .

I approve of  that, as well as mentioned earlier, public shaming of people who don't know how to act civilized in public.

[AJ Dual]

Here's where I'm a bad and hypocritical libertarian.

I have zero sympathy for the cruder and more uncouth segments that can't behave to the polite norms of the larger society.  I like seeing them punished and repressed by the State, even if it's the same State that has deprived them of their fathers through economic disincentive and the discipline to know how to behave in the first place.

"But... but... that just empowers the State to come after you or people you like and support and get up in your business someday!"

Whatever. (shrug)

If I could somehow not have to pay to subsidize all of this, and I had free reign to use whatever force I deem appropriate should they encroach and "misbehave" where I live/work, I'd call it good and not worry about it further.

[brimic]

Here's where I'm a bad and hypocritical libertarian.

I have zero sympathy for the cruder and more uncouth segments that can't behave to the polite norms of the larger society.  I like seeing them punished and repressed by the State, even if it's the same State that has deprived them of their fathers through economic disincentive and the discipline to know how to behave in the first place.

"But... but... that just empowers the State to come after you or people you like and support and get up in your business someday!"

Whatever. (shrug)

If I could somehow not have to pay to subsidize all of this, and I had free reign to use whatever force I deem appropriate should they encroach and "misbehave" where I live/work, I'd call it good and not worry about it further.

That. The absence of readily available airlocks means that the next best practical solution must be employed.

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

Arrest warrent for a minor civil infraction? Doubtful. Arrest warrant because they said "Up Yours" and refused to pay a ticket they were issued for said infraction? Much more likely.

They did mention being escorted out. It's no stretch at all to believe they were issued a ticket, especially given they were specifically warned to not disrupt the ceremony. Then they just "kinda forgot to mention" that tidbit when talking to the press.

There's a lot here we're not being told.

Brad

My thoughts as well.  I suspect they got dinged with something trivial for disrupting the ceremony, then lathered themselves into a much worse infraction after the fact.

Well it's no longer socially acceptable in this society of pussies to beat the *expletive deleted*it out of such *expletive deleted*ing tards so instead we have to resort is letting the courts handle it.

Also my thoughts.  Back in civilized times people could handle these issues among themselves.  But our current statist age leaves no alternatives than to work through the state.  And as usual, the state is a bad solution for the problem.

[Firethorn]

Fine the miscreants' families, and don't issue diploma until all fines and fees are paid in full.

I actually have an issue with this.  The diploma is the graduate's, not the family's.  The parents are responsible for their child, not the other way around.

[French G.]

I went to my kid's ballet recital. People were hollering out for their little crotchfruit during the performance. I'm guessing that the parents in question don't have much experience attending theatrical productions. And I wouldn't care were it not for the presumption that these people are raising a child.

[brimic]

I actually have an issue with this.  The diploma is the graduate's, not the family's.  The parents are responsible for their child, not the other way around.

If they are responsible for their child then they need to pay up for their bad behavior.

[MechAg94]

1.  I don't see any mention in the article of tickets or citations.  I see mention that the super files charges on them after the fact since they didn't obey his request to stay quiet. 

2.  I went to my nephew's graduation last year.  There were a number of parents/families that cheered.  But it was 10 people in a big gymnasium holding several thousand and they quieted down by the time the next kid was coming up.  It wasn't nuicance and the amount of noise was insignificant.  It certainly didn't overpower the loud speaker system in the gym.  Unless you were right next to them, it wasn't an issue when they were doing it. 

3.  Based on my experience, the noise was likely trivial and this sounds like an "Obey My Authority" bureacrat pressing charges for no better reason than just being spiteful.  If they are causing a scene, kick them out and be done with it.  Following up with charges is idiotic. 

4.  IMO, many of you are only agreeing with the charges because of your own bad experiences.  Kicking them out would be the thing to do if they were disruptive.  Bogging the courts with fines/charges is pointless.  Odds are, these parents don't have younger kids and this superintendant won't see them again. 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

But folks next year might not show their butt


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[MechAg94]

But folks next year might not show their butt


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I think any dream that it will have any affect on next year's parents is a fantasy. 

[makattak]

I think any dream that it will have any affect on next year's parents is a fantasy. 

Do all criminal punishments lack deterrence for anyone who did not receive the censure or just fines for disturbing the peace?

They've nicely gotten the fines well publicized, I will note in rebuttal to your theory.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/06/04/superintendent-defends-warrants-for-excessive-cheering-at-graduation.html


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[makattak]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/06/04/superintendent-defends-warrants-for-excessive-cheering-at-graduation.html


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You beat me to it.

For those who don't click, the superintendent says there is more to the story. (Shocker)

In addition to disrupting the event, they were avoiding the people coming to escort them out (thereby further disrupting the event).

The superintendent goes on to say that these policies are in place because of the pandemonium that had been the graduation four years ago.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

I watched the videos of the alleged" victims"
My spidery sense was screaming liar


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[dogmush]

It should also be noted that there are, as yet, no criminal records, jail time, or fines.  There was a warrant sworn.  If they go to court the school still has to actually convince a judge that the peace was disturbed in a fashion that is criminal.  It's not like the school offical gets to just make that call.

[HankB]

It should also be noted that there are, as yet, no criminal records, jail time, or fines.  There was a warrant sworn.  If they go to court the school still has to actually convince a judge that the peace was disturbed in a fashion that is criminal.  It's not like the school offical gets to just make that call.

And if the judge disagrees that cheering was criminally disturbing the peace - does the school official get hauled up on charges of filing a false police report?

[dogmush]

And if the judge disagrees that cheering was criminally disturbing the peace - does the school official get hauled up on charges of filing a false police report?

No. Because that's not how the system works.

I suppose if they cheering folks could provide evidence that they weren't even there and that the school official made it up whole cloth then false report charges could be made.

But assuming he didn't lie when he swore out the warrant  (notice the  verb) the school guy will be safe from false reporting charges.

[vaskidmark]

And if the judge disagrees that cheering was criminally disturbing the peace - does the school official get hauled up on charges of filing a false police report?

Really?  Are we going to go down that path?

Complaints are made (using general terms) based on "knowledge and belief".  To require anything more stringent would be saying you have to establish/prove guilt before there can be a trial to establish/prove guilt.

Now, if the complainant alleges acts that can be proven did not happen (shouting) there is the possibility of being charged with filing a false report.  Pretty much what's supposed to happen in SWATing cases.

If in fact shouting did occur it becomes the duty of the trier of fact (judge or jury) to determine if the shouting that took place satisfies the elements of the crime alleged.

So, in answer to your question - No. The report was filed in good faith, based on the complainant's knowledge and belief, that the action disturbed the peace.  Now it's up to the judicial system to determine if that is supported by the evidence when held up to to the legislative definition of the crime.  Mississippi law http://www.lexisnexis.com/hottopics/mscode/ has the elements of either bothering other people or acting in a way calculated to bother other people.

§ 97-35-15. Disturbance of the public peace or the peace of others; exception
   (1) Any person who disturbs the public peace, or the peace of others, by violent, or loud, or insulting, or profane, or indecent, or offensive, or boisterous conduct or language, or by intimidation, or seeking to intimidate any other person or persons, or by conduct either calculated to provoke a breach of the peace, or by conduct which may lead to a breach of the peace, or by any other act, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, and upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by a fine of not more than Five Hundred Dollars ($ 500.00) or by imprisonment in the county jail not more than six (6) months, or both.

Anybody want to show the behavior complained of does not meet the elements of the crime?

Personally I prefer the way Va defines the crime - intent is the primary factor, as opposed to someone's feelings being hurt.

Note to self: if I ever visit Mississippi remember to behave at all times as if I were a little kid visiting Great Aunt Emily.  (She was the one who found that just about anything a kid could do was offensive.)

stay safe.

[MechAg94]

If there is more to it, that is fine and explains things a bit more.  However, saying they were put up on charges for cheering at the graduation would not really be true. 

I refuse to believe an initial news story was inaccurate.  That never happens.   

[roo_ster]

In order for there to be liberty, one must keep oneself in order.  And this must be replicated throughout the culture.  IOW, a culture of self-discipline is necessary for minimalist gov't intervention.

When these uncultured apes exhibit their undiscipline and ignorance of proper behavior, they need a cluebat of some sort or another to keep the public space viable for all.

[De Selby]

In order for there to be liberty, one must keep oneself in order.  And this must be replicated throughout the culture.  IOW, a culture of self-discipline is necessary for minimalist gov't intervention.

When these uncultured apes exhibit their undiscipline and ignorance of proper behavior, they need a cluebat of some sort or another to keep the public space viable for all.

How about refusing to associate with them?  Doesn't require a badge.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

When they intrude in a public event someone needs to take out the trash


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[De Selby]

When they intrude in a public event someone needs to take out the trash


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This apply to protests as well?  How about open carry that upsets many? 

There's no right not to be offended. 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Your opinion is not supported by legislation or case law. Bet if we find a lawyer they can explain why.


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[De Selby]

Your opinion is not supported by legislation or case law. Bet if we find a lawyer they can explain why.


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That was a question to you about your "remove the trash" line.

My opinion is that laws sufficiently vague to allow for charges over bad manners are bad laws.  You shouldn't need a case citation to see why that's the case.