Author Topic: This one looks bad (Read 34691 times)

Pb · « **Reply #100 on:** February 16, 2018, 12:01:43 PM »

Quote from: mtnbkr on February 16, 2018, 07:18:13 AM

I know we all like to think we're steely-eyed warriors with our gat in our hands, but few are. I'm concerned about a shaky teacher trying to head shot the one bad guy in a crowd of kids from down the hall.

Chris

Thank goodness there were no armed teachers on the scene or someone might have been hurt!

How well did the lack of armed teachers work in this case?

Armed folks have been effective in stopping mass killers multiple times in the USA. It doesn't stop everyone from being killed, but it does help. This is a fact. Look up the stories below if you don't believe me.

Joel Myrick, a principles with a pistol he retrieved from his car off campus captured a school shooter.

Stephen Willeford wounded the texas church killer, chased him down and forced him to suicide.

An uber driver stopped a mass shooting in Chicago by shooting the perp; no innocents were harmed.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-uber-driver-shoots-gunman-met-0420-20150419-story.html

I can find more stories if you want, these are ones I thought of off the top of my head. They are not hard to find.

Pb · « **Reply #101 on:** February 16, 2018, 12:05:09 PM »

Quote from: Chris on February 16, 2018, 09:35:48 AM

Holy Hell, I just heard one I had to share. Legislative aid in the hallway just said that they are looking into the idea of requiring that gun purchases be delayed for a 30 day period for a full background check and (here's the good part), the proposed purchase be published so that the public knows and can provide feedback on whether the buyer has issues that should prevent the purchase from being completed!!!

What legislature?

TechMan · « **Reply #102 on:** February 16, 2018, 12:12:29 PM »

Quote from: BTR on February 16, 2018, 12:05:09 PM

What legislature?

Ohio.

Jim147 · « **Reply #103 on:** February 16, 2018, 12:33:50 PM »

Has anyone seen a story with how he got into the school? I haven't seen or heard anything about that.

Even in my quiet little town he would need to be let in by someone in the office or of shot the doors out.

Jocassee · « **Reply #104 on:** February 16, 2018, 12:41:13 PM »

Quote from: BTR on February 15, 2018, 06:05:03 PM

Apparently there was an armed school resource officer at the school who never encountered the killer for some reason.

I'm skipping to the end of the thread, but I am REALLY interested in the answer to that question. if it's already been answered I'll find it eventually...

Jim147 · « **Reply #105 on:** February 16, 2018, 01:08:23 PM »

Holy crap FBI

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/02/16/holy-sht-fbi-got-tip-about-nikolas-cruz-last-month-and-did-nothing/

zxcvbob · « **Reply #106 on:** February 16, 2018, 01:09:02 PM »

Quote from: makattak on February 16, 2018, 09:15:31 AM

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-mclaughlin-parkland-shooting-20180215-story.html

An amazingly balanced article in the LA Times of all places.

And it brings up my preferred response on this: We need common sense media control. These maniacs want infamy, and ought to be denied it. There is no reason anyone other than the police and prosecutors (judges, too, I guess) ever need to know his name. Automatic 1 year in prison and a $50,000 fine per instance of any media person publicizing his name.

Mass shootings are not all *that* common and they are still sensational. They would never admit it but I think the media intentionally make the maniacs into rockstars to encourage more crazies to do the same -- because it makes good television. It will keep happening until the shootings become boring, then they will go back to just being local news.

The events are newsworthy, but they should never show the perp's face, and only refer to him using terms like "loser" and maybe the more progressive or edgy news source can use "*expletive deleted*bag".

Fly320s · « **Reply #107 on:** February 16, 2018, 01:48:54 PM »

Quote from: Jim147 on February 16, 2018, 01:08:23 PM

Holy crap FBI

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/02/16/holy-sht-fbi-got-tip-about-nikolas-cruz-last-month-and-did-nothing/

Why are you surprised? The FBI is just another bloated, inept government agency. Neither the FBI nor local law enforcement have an obligation to protect people.

Angel Eyes · « **Reply #108 on:** February 16, 2018, 02:44:15 PM »

A bit dated, but worth mentioning:

https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/

We really need to expose the lie that "This only happens in the United States!"

slingshot · « **Reply #109 on:** February 16, 2018, 03:11:09 PM »

Quote from: Fly320s on February 16, 2018, 01:48:54 PM

Why are you surprised? The FBI is just another bloated, inept government agency. Neither the FBI nor local law enforcement have an obligation to protect people.

The FBI has lost a lot of credibility in the last two years as far as I'm concerned. I believe there have been 4 mass shootings in the US in the last two years.

Hawkmoon · « **Reply #110 on:** February 16, 2018, 03:14:20 PM »

Quote from: Jim147 on February 16, 2018, 01:08:23 PM

Holy crap FBI

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/02/16/holy-sht-fbi-got-tip-about-nikolas-cruz-last-month-and-did-nothing/

Further information here: https://nypost.com/2018/02/16/fbi-failed-to-investigate-tip-on-school-shooter-last-month/

And: https://nypost.com/2018/02/16/rick-scott-calls-for-fbi-director-to-resign-after-shooter-tip-was-missed/

TechMan · « **Reply #111 on:** February 16, 2018, 03:20:30 PM »

Quote from: Jocassee on February 16, 2018, 12:41:13 PM

I'm skipping to the end of the thread, but I am REALLY interested in the answer to that question. if it's already been answered I'll find it eventually...

By skipping you missed my link: http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=56717.msg1150025#msg1150025

We are talking about a very large campus for 3000 students, not an elementary school like Sandy Hook.

MillCreek · « **Reply #112 on:** February 16, 2018, 04:34:50 PM »

This made me chuckle:

French G. · « **Reply #113 on:** February 16, 2018, 06:17:20 PM »

Quote from: Angel Eyes on February 16, 2018, 02:44:15 PM

A bit dated, but worth mentioning:

https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/

We really need to expose the lie that "This only happens in the United States!"

That first one is kinda cherry picked since the date range gets that Brevik scum in there for Norway, and with such a small population it spikes the rate.

But now if we opened the date range up to back to around 1914...

Hawkmoon · « **Reply #114 on:** February 16, 2018, 07:07:41 PM »

The media found a way to blame the Florida shooting on the NRA -- because they helped support the school's junior ROTC shooting team.

http://www.wbrc.com/story/37525712/shooting-suspect-was-on-school-rifle-team-that-got-nra-grant

Why not just blame the Army?

TechMan · « **Reply #115 on:** February 16, 2018, 08:24:02 PM »

Quote from: Hawkmoon on February 16, 2018, 07:07:41 PM

The media found a way to blame the Florida shooting on the NRA -- because they helped support the school's junior ROTC shooting team.

http://www.wbrc.com/story/37525712/shooting-suspect-was-on-school-rifle-team-that-got-nra-grant

Why not just blame the Army?

Give them time...

Hawkmoon · « **Reply #116 on:** February 16, 2018, 08:56:14 PM »

One more question answered: how did he get into the building?

Answer: It wasn't locked. http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-florida-school-shooting-20180215-story.html

Apparently, due to being a multi-building campus, their security consists of locking gates around the perimeter of the site, but the buildings themselves aren't locked. So, by simply showing up 20 minutes before dismissal, when the gates are unlocked to allow people to leave, he was able to just walk right in.

And there's a possibility that the SRO wasn't present on the campus. The sheriff's office isn't saying, which means either that they don't know ... or that they DO know and don't want to admit that they left the school unprotected.

freakazoid · « **Reply #117 on:** February 16, 2018, 09:02:26 PM »

Quote from: Hawkmoon on February 16, 2018, 07:07:41 PM

The media found a way to blame the Florida shooting on the NRA -- because they helped support the school's junior ROTC shooting team.

http://www.wbrc.com/story/37525712/shooting-suspect-was-on-school-rifle-team-that-got-nra-grant

Why not just blame the Army?

They probably don't want to go that direction. https://www.facebook.com/ABCNews/videos/10156913634718812/

Hawkmoon · « **Reply #118 on:** February 16, 2018, 09:09:10 PM »

Quote from: freakazoid on February 16, 2018, 09:02:26 PM

They probably don't want to go that direction. https://www.facebook.com/ABCNews/videos/10156913634718812/

Can't see the link without a Facebook account, which I don't have. What is it?

freakazoid · « **Reply #119 on:** February 16, 2018, 09:13:39 PM »

Quote from: Hawkmoon on February 16, 2018, 09:09:10 PM

Can't see the link without a Facebook account, which I don't have. What is it?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/florida-shooting-students-detail-actions-protect-classmates-shooter-53111854

Hawkmoon · « **Reply #120 on:** February 16, 2018, 10:42:45 PM »

Quote from: freakazoid on February 16, 2018, 09:13:39 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/florida-shooting-students-detail-actions-protect-classmates-shooter-53111854

Interesting. I had read a report on the guys with the Kevlar, but it didn't say anything about the Police Explorer aspect.

HeroHog · « **Reply #121 on:** February 17, 2018, 02:24:26 AM »

Some states make that illegal. Body armor/body armor in schools/armored backpacks. Check state laws 1st!!!

p12 · « **Reply #122 on:** February 17, 2018, 09:08:35 AM »

We need to invite her here!

Florida Teacher of the Year's gun violence post goes viral after school shootinghttp://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/16/florida-teacher-years-gun-violence-post-goes-viral-after-school-shooting.html

“Until we, as a country, are willing to get serious and talk about mental health issues, lack of available care for the mental health issues, lack of discipline in the home, horrendous lack of parental support when the schools are trying to control horrible behavior at school (oh no! Not MY KID. What did YOU do to cause my kid to react that way?), lack of moral values, and yes, I’ll say it – violent video games that take away all sensitivity to ANY compassion for others’ lives – as well as reality TV that makes it commonplace for people to constantly scream up in each others’ faces and not value any other person but themselves, we will have a gun problem in school,” the sixth-grade language arts teacher wrote.

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Hawkmoon · « **Reply #123 on:** February 17, 2018, 11:02:27 AM »

Quote from: p12 on February 17, 2018, 09:08:35 AM

We need to invite her here!

Florida Teacher of the Year's gun violence post goes viral after school shootinghttp://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/16/florida-teacher-years-gun-violence-post-goes-viral-after-school-shooting.html

Spot on. And it won't win her many friends among parents, unfortunately.

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“But you know what? I never dreamed of shooting anyone with his guns. I never dreamed of taking one! I was taught respect for human life, compassion, rules, common decency, and most of all, I was taught that until I moved out, my life and bedroom wasn’t mine...it was theirs. And they were going to know what was happening because they loved me and wanted the best for me.”

Such un-American thoughts must be eradicated. Send her off to the reeducation gulag.

Hawkmoon · « **Reply #124 on:** February 17, 2018, 12:29:15 PM »

Did the media get this wrong? If so -- mistake, or "spin"?

https://nypost.com/2018/02/17/school-shooters-brother-committed-to-mental-facility/

The shooter's younger brother has been admitted to a mental health facility under Florida's Baker Act. This allows someone to be involunraily admitted for observation and evaluation. The article uses the term "committed," which would seem to be the legal trigger for making him a prohibited person. However, it has always been my understanding that admission for evaluation, such as under the Baker Act, is not "involuntarily committed" under the law as it pertains to disqualifying a person from firearms possession.

Would any of the resident legal eagles kindly chime in and clarify how this works?

Reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Mental_Health_Act

http://www.dcf.state.fl.us/programs/samh/mentalhealth/laws/BakerActManual.pdf

It seems to me that what's happening is what the law actually refers to as an "involuntary examination." I don't think that's a, involuntary committment under the law (although it may lead to one).

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