COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread

[Ben]

I don't really believe all that, but if it was true then it could be argued it was in fact a very successful bio-weapon.

I guess I'm a little facetious when I use the term "crappy bioweapon". A successful bioweapon (amateur opinion) could be something with similar mortality and infection to the beer virus. An effectual bioweapon, depending on what the attacker wants to do, could in fact be something that everyone thinks is "a very bad flu" and no one ever learns was, in fact, a weapon.

The beer virus has cost the US in particular trillions of dollars, and to a lesser fiscal extent economically damaged most other first world countries. A reason for it not to actually be a purposely applied bioweapon is that (hopefully) we are learning things from the results that could protect us from a 100% bioweapon. Like not relying on China for the majority of our drugs and PPE needed to protect ourselves from bioweapons.

[charby]

Gas comes out of Uranus

Clouds of Gas Coming Out of Uranus Found in Old Voyager 2 Data
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRvtB37cnao

What politician isn't full of gas (hot air)? or sh*t (Uranus or Anyanus).

BTW

[Perd Hapley]

https://dnyuz.com/2020/04/13/virginia-pastor-who-defiantly-held-church-service-dies-of-coronavirus/

And this is what happens, in some places, when churches try to have drive-in services.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/14/doj-takes-action-in-mississippi-drive-in-church-discrimination-case/

 

According to another article, about another church that's party to the lawsuit, police hassled congregants at a drive-in service, even while the Sonic Drive-In down the street was full.

[Ben]

Wow. LA County released 25% of their prison population.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/14/la-county-sheriff-fears-possible-surge-in-crime-after-releasing-4276-nonviolent-inmates-due-to-coronavirus/

[Perd Hapley]

Wow. LA County released 25% of their prison population.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/14/la-county-sheriff-fears-possible-surge-in-crime-after-releasing-4276-nonviolent-inmates-due-to-coronavirus/

How many people did they let out of the nursing homes? 

[WLJ]

Fire up the printers!

    Whoah…. @RepTimRyan and @RoKhanna introduce bill that would pay eligible Americans over 16 $2k per month UNTIL unemployment returns to pre-COVID levels

    They say: A married couple making under $260K with 3 kids would receive $5,500 per month. pic.twitter.com/NHf5pWpmC0

    — Leigh Ann Caldwell (@LACaldwellDC) April 14, 2020

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/14/dem-congressmen-introduce-bill-that-would-pay-americans-2000-a-month-until-unemployment-returns-to-pre-covid-levels/

[Kingcreek]

How many people did they let out of the nursing homes? 

Well crap. The lady that I assist at times as her POA and when she needs help (she has no family within 1000 miles and they have almost nothing to do with her) is supposed to transition back to her tiny subsidized senior apartment from recovering in the nursing home. She fell and broke her hip 8 weeks ago and had surgery. I was supposed to pick her up Thursday 2 days from now.
Today I get a call from the nursing home. They have their first positive Covid and it’s an employee.
They want the lady out and home Thursday but she will have to be quarantined.
I am trying to find out if that means I’ll have to be quarantined if I transport her? I can’t afford to not work right now.

[ConstitutionCowboy]

Fire up the printers!
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/14/dem-congressmen-introduce-bill-that-would-pay-americans-2000-a-month-until-unemployment-returns-to-pre-covid-levels/

That would collapse the country in a big rush. Stuff like this causes 1,000% to 1,000,000% inflation. Too much money chasing fewer and fewer products. No one goes to work 'cause who would need to? No work, no products. The only way anything would be available is through slave labor.

Then again, this is exactly what the socialists/communists/leftists/Democrats want for us.

Woody

[MechAg94]

That would collapse the country in a big rush. Stuff like this causes 1,000% to 1,000,000% inflation. Too much money chasing fewer and fewer products. No one goes to work 'cause who would need to? No work, no products. The only way anything would be available is through slave labor.

Then again, this is exactly what the socialists/communists/leftists/Democrats want for us.

Woody

Not to mention that unemployment was pretty low.  It might take awhile to get to those levels. 

[Jamisjockey]

I'm particularly angry about what they've done to the areas that are not DC, Richmond, or Tidewater.

Our ham-handed jackass of a governor is shutting down the entire state... because DC is infected.

Here's an idea: WHY NOT SHUTDOWN ONLY THE AREAS WHERE THERE IS ACTUALLY A PROBLEM?

Oh, that's right. Like in Illinois, all that matters is the major metropolitan areas. Screw the backwater hicks.

I'm 45 minutes from DC if traffic cooperates.  30 ish from Fairfax, where one of the biggest clusters in VA is.
So if my county was "open" for business, whats to stop sick people from Fairfax from coming down here for dinner at one of our area restaurants? 

[Jamisjockey]

Just looked the Virginia numbers-

  Just like Italy, just like NYC, just like every other set of numbers , despite the anecdotal horror stories , this virus is almost exclusively killing the old and the sick, who were at great risk from any other illness.  

 A guess would be that next year we see a lot less flu deaths, as the virus will already have pulled forward that group.

Shutting down the economy for this is nuts.  We are panicking for nothing. Really scary to see so many so manipulated.

Again.  It is not about the deaths anyways.  This virus collapses hospital systems.  Good luck if your appendix bursts after your hospital is full of Covid patients. 
My small town hospital has a total of 97 beds.  There are two hospitals in my county.

[WLJ]

Who would have thunk criminals would do something like that?

LMPD to respond to burglar alarms again, as criminals are 'taking advantage' of pandemic
https://www.wdrb.com/news/lmpd-to-respond-to-burglar-alarms-again-as-criminals-are-taking-advantage-of-pandemic/article_3075e030-7ea7-11ea-ad34-cf6459e2e944.html

[makattak]

I'm 45 minutes from DC if traffic cooperates.  30 ish from Fairfax, where one of the biggest clusters in VA is.
So if my county was "open" for business, whats to stop sick people from Fairfax from coming down here for dinner at one of our area restaurants? 

Ok, shut down restaurants.

Do we really need to shut down... checks for an example... Gents Barber Shop in Strasburg because there's an outbreak in DC?

From my understanding, we're not trying to stop the disease from spreading, because it's going to spread. We're trying to slow the spread so it doesn't overwhelm the hospitals.

If your 97 bed hospital has ZERO Wuhan Virus patients, then it's not being overwhelmed. If we go too far in the lockdown, it doesn't spread at all and then we just get the exact same problem, just later. After having killed the economy.

Now, if I'm mistaken and we think we can just kill the virus and not deal with it by locking everyone down, then I have the wrong idea.

But if I'm right, we're not using our resources properly and are just killing the economy for no good reason.

[Jamisjockey]

Now, if I'm mistaken and we think we can just kill the virus and not deal with it by locking everyone down, then I have the wrong idea.

There really are only two options.
1) let it run.  This is the spanish flu result.  High mortality, but eventually it burns out because enough people get immunity, or die.  Comes with the risk of the utter collapse of our hospitals and health care.  Italy has suffered a high rate of health care workers getting very sick, with high mortality.  Almost like constant exposure to it makes it worse somehow.

I keep hearing the "but it only kills the old and really sick", which is a lie.  It kills healthy people, too.  It does, however, attack people with underlying conditions at an alarming rate.  For Americans, the top underlying conditions are in our population in very, very high numbers.  Obesity. Hypertension.  Heart disease. 

2) social isolation.  This shuts the spread down so that hospitals can keep up.  Immunity spreads but much slower.  Risk of a second wave after ending isolation.  Severe economic consequences.

Gunnison, CO is the shining example from the Spanish Flu on this.
The problem with #2 is if you wait too long, or drag into it with half assed measures, you end up with it not being as effective. 

One of the biggest issues with COVID is it's long incubation period.  To be able to test positive for up to 2 weeks without showing real symptoms is insane.

Is closing all businesses across an entire state the answer? Not likely.  Poor planning and over-centralized state government gets us there.   

[DittoHead]

If we go too far in the lockdown, it doesn't spread at all and then we just get the exact same problem, just later. After having killed the economy.

If nothing is happening during lockdown, then yes it's pointless.
We are supposed to be expanding hospital capacity, cranking out ventilators & PPE, and ramping up testing.
In order to reopen AND keep the virus in check we need more/faster/better testing, including for antibodies, and more capacity to trace who infected people have been in contact with.

[Jamisjockey]

If nothing is happening during lockdown, then yes it's pointless.
We are supposed to be expanding hospital capacity, cranking out ventilators & PPE, and ramping up testing.
In order to reopen AND keep the virus in check we need more/faster/better testing, including for antibodies, and more capacity to trace who infected people have been in contact with.

And with a "flatter curve", it is easier to trace those cases and keep up with tests.

[charby]

If nothing is happening during lockdown, then yes it's pointless.
We are supposed to be expanding hospital capacity, cranking out ventilators & PPE, and ramping up testing.
In order to reopen AND keep the virus in check we need more/faster/better testing, including for antibodies, and more capacity to trace who infected people have been in contact with.

All those require a special skill sets. Better testing kits requires the knowledge/experience and laboratory space to do so.

[Jamisjockey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU&feature=youtu.be

Okay I'm leaning more and more towards the "escaped the Wuhan lab, CCP tried to cover it up" camp.
Huang Yan Ling....patient 0.

[charby]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU&feature=youtu.be

Okay I'm leaning more and more towards the "escaped the Wuhan lab, CCP tried to cover it up" camp.
Huang Yan Ling....patient 0.

If that is true, then we need to do to China what we did Cuba in 1962. Going to be painful and for the most part I say *expletive deleted*ck American business owners who decided to move operations there.

[Ben]

If that is true, then we need to do to China what we did Cuba in 1962. Going to be painful and for the most part I say *expletive deleted*ck American business owners who decided to move operations there.

We would have to look at not just retaliation with China, but US preparedness as well - and not just the government. Individuals have to learn to step up with at least minimal preparedness.

Suddenly "prepping" is not what weirdos on National Geographic series do, and "victory gardens" are now in. Sadly,  I  give it a year max before people don't restock what they hoarded and throw away or give away prep stuff that is now "taking up space for no reason"*. Also those victory gardens will all wither and die.


* I was talking with a former coworker  I guess a month ago. When I was on the job, I had a fully stocked emergency response section of the office full of shelter in place gear and PPE. She told me that like a year ago, they decided all that stuff nutty prepper Ben did (most actually via guidance from DC) was stupid and they needed the space, so they chucked everything. Coulda used it now.

[WLJ]

C19 news from Iran

    #Iran's IRGC unveils a homegrown magnetic device that can detect every #Covid_19 case within a 100-meter radius. No blood samples required anymore for diagnosis. Great news.

    https://t.co/AjwmY6mkZE

    — Syed Zafar Mehdi (@mehdizafar) April 15, 2020

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/15/lololol-iran-says-it-invented-a-magnetic-device-that-can-detect-coronavirus-within-a-100-meter-radius/

[MechAg94]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU&feature=youtu.be

Okay I'm leaning more and more towards the "escaped the Wuhan lab, CCP tried to cover it up" camp.
Huang Yan Ling....patient 0.

I heard a scenario on the radio that seemed plausible and could go along with all those options:
1.  China worked to downplay the effect of the virus, getting the WHO to go along and claim no person-to-person transmission, suppressing anyone putting out real info.  This damaged efforts of anyone else to prepare for it.  
2.  China hoarded supplies, drugs (and raw materials), test kits to use themselves.  
3.  China then sold those things to other countries for a profit once the virus hit everywhere else.  

Not sure it China made efforts to deliberately spread this virus to other countries.  Either way, they worked to profit off the whole thing.  

[MechAg94]

C19 news from Iran
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/15/lololol-iran-says-it-invented-a-magnetic-device-that-can-detect-coronavirus-within-a-100-meter-radius/

Made by the same people who brought you the Iranian gaydar homosexual detector.  

Makes me think the people they detect as infected will correspond closely with people they want to arrest and get rid of anyway. 

[Perd Hapley]

C19 news from Iran
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/15/lololol-iran-says-it-invented-a-magnetic-device-that-can-detect-coronavirus-within-a-100-meter-radius/

[Ben]

Seems a portion of the country is rebelling regarding the extended "stay at home" orders.

I do see the point, as illustrated by one of the comments:

http://Jesse Kelly
✔
@JesseKellyDC

I tried to warn all you people in the DC/NYC bubble that a storm was coming. Nobody listened. You sat in your apartments and didn’t miss a paycheck and told everyone to shut up and stay inside.

The "didn't miss a paycheck" point. As a former fed.slug, I wouldn't have missed a paycheck either, but I at least get the point that plumbers, electricians, farmers, etc. don't have the luxury. When you look at it from that perspective, it's very likely that the vast majority of people with the option to telework are less important to keeping the country running than the people who can neither telework, nor make money.

At some point we have to change the methodology from the lowest common denominator of "everybody" to target groups.  I can't help but think part of the reason we're not targeting susceptible groups while letting others go to work is our current cultural hypersensitivity to discrimination and micro-aggression and whatnot.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/04/15/michigan-gov-whitmer-says-her-cracking-down-on-travel-planting-landscaping-golfing-etc-shouldnt-matter-because-its-currently-snowing-anyway-no-seriously/

Edit: I apparently inserted the comment I was referring to in as an image instead of a comment, so it wasn't showing up. Fixed.