COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread

[MillCreek]

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/accurate-us-coronavirus-death-count-experts-off-tens/story?id=70385359

An interesting article about establishing an accurate death count of COVID-19.

[charby]

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/accurate-us-coronavirus-death-count-experts-off-tens/story?id=70385359

An interesting article about establishing an accurate death count of COVID-19.

Finally talking about Cardiac issues and Covid-19 in the MSM.

[Angel Eyes]

I'm assuming Wisonsin has LE take an oath to the constitution when they are sworn in? Doesn't look like it took.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/04/29/totalitarian-garbage-video-shows-officers-giving-wisconsin-mom-a-warning-for-allowing-daughter-to-play-at-neighbors-house-during-stay-at-home-order/

"Militarized Karens", heh.

[ConstitutionCowboy]

With things being this dictatorial wherein people are paying for their health care through insurance or by cash, imagine how tyrannical it would be with single payer health care...

Woody

[MillCreek]

[Ben]

MSM wants us to enact more government control, China style.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/29/cnn-analysis-for-some-chinas-model-of-control-is-looking-increasingly-attractive/

[makattak]

MSM wants us to enact more government control, China style.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/29/cnn-analysis-for-some-chinas-model-of-control-is-looking-increasingly-attractive/

"Increasingly attractive", in this case, means "what we wanted all along but have a new excuse for it."

[WLJ]

[Hawkmoon]

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/accurate-us-coronavirus-death-count-experts-off-tens/story?id=70385359

An interesting article about establishing an accurate death count of COVID-19.

There's another aspect -- we don't have any data on recoveries. The protocol for "officially" establishing that someone has recovered is two negative tests, taken 24 hours apart. We don't have enough testing capacity yet to test people who may be infected -- the incoming side of the bell curve. So we have NO capacity for testing people on the other side, those who are (hopefully) recovered. And, until we establish reliable testing for recoveries ... we have NO IDEA how many active cases there are in the country.

[charby]

There's another aspect -- we don't have any data on recoveries. The protocol for "officially" establishing that someone has recovered is two negative tests, taken 24 hours apart. We don't have enough testing capacity yet to test people who may be infected -- the incoming side of the bell curve. So we have NO capacity for testing people on the other side, those who are (hopefully) recovered. And, until we establish reliable testing for recoveries ... we have NO IDEA how many active cases there are in the country.

One thing Iowa has been trying their best, just numbers on # positive cases, # in hospital beds, # dead, # recovered. and # of available ICU every day. Right now Iowa is about 35% recovered and 2.1% positive have become fatalities.

[MillCreek]

On the ABC story, I was interested to read there is not a national consensus or guidance on how to attribute a death to COVID-19.  That is going to make it difficult to compare apples to apples across the country.  Your death in Florida may not be the same as a death in North Dakota.

[fifth_column]

I'm assuming Wisonsin has LE take an oath to the constitution when they are sworn in? Doesn't look like it took.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/04/29/totalitarian-garbage-video-shows-officers-giving-wisconsin-mom-a-warning-for-allowing-daughter-to-play-at-neighbors-house-during-stay-at-home-order/

That is absolutely chilling.  They even pulled the "we've got your name on the list of uncooperatives" ploy. 

Those cops come off as zealots in my eyes.  They show an almost religious adherence and belief in the State and the dictates they're expected to enforce.

[Ben]

That is absolutely chilling.  They even pulled the "we've got your name on the list of uncooperatives" ploy. 

Yeah, that got me too. That was straight out of a Gestapo scene from a WW2 B movie.

[Ron]

One thing Iowa has been trying their best, just numbers on # positive cases, # in hospital beds, # dead, # recovered. and # of available ICU every day. Right now Iowa is about 35% recovered and 2.1% positive have become fatalities.

Those are reported numbers, not actual numbers.

Narrative vs reality

[DittoHead]

Numbers

Do we really have to go through this every day?

[WLJ]

The San Francisco model except with chickens

A city in Sweden plans on spreading 2,000 pounds of chicken manure to deter festival crowds descending on the area Thursday amid the coronavirus pandemic.

Tens of thousands of people typically travel to the Swedish city of Lund in celebration of Walpurgis Night, a festival that also sees parties and bonfires scattered across Europe. Officials believe the smell of manure will help detract people from the gathering, which is classified as "spontaneous," so it can't be banned by authorities.

Swedish city to dump metric ton of chicken manure in park to discourage festival gathering
https://www.foxnews.com/health/swedish-city-dump-2000-pounds-chicken-manure-in-park-limit-large-gathering-amid-coronavirus

[charby]

"Walpurgis Night"

We need to celebrate that here, spontaneous bonfires and dancing. We all could use a little Saint Walpurga to chase off the Covid.

[Jamisjockey]

Muh constitutionz!  Keep hearing this bleating all over facebook, and somewhat here, too.

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

States have elected representatives who have passed emergency powers laws. This is how they enforce curfews after hurricanes and earthquakes, and how they quell riots.
Right, wrong, or indifferent, this is the facts.

[DittoHead]

South Korea, which waged an early battle against COVID-19 after the disease emerged from China, said on Thursday that it had no new domestic cases for the first time since a surge nearly 10 weeks ago.

The country experienced its first case on Jan. 20, but didn't see infections ramp up until mid-February. They peaked on Feb. 29 with 909 daily cases and have been trending down ever since.

The Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported just four new coronavirus infections on Thursday, all of them cases that came from outside the country.

Good for them!
We can't duplicate their approach, but certainly we could learn a few things from them and make improvements.

[Perd Hapley]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/50-bodies-found-in-u-haul-trucks-outside-new-york-city-funeral-home

A foul smell outside a Brooklyn funeral home led to the discovery of dozens of bodies kept in unrefrigerated rented U-Haul trucks, as well as additional bodies lying on the floor inside the establishment.

[makattak]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/50-bodies-found-in-u-haul-trucks-outside-new-york-city-funeral-home

I honestly can't blame them, they must be overwhelmed. At least they were keeping them cool and not rotting away outdoors.

[WLJ]

I honestly can't blame them, they must be overwhelmed. At least they were keeping them cool and not rotting away outdoors.

A foul smell outside a Brooklyn funeral home led to the discovery of dozens of bodies kept in unrefrigerated rented U-Haul trucks

[Ben]

At-home deaths on the rise.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/04/30/reopenamerica-dammit-data-out-of-oregon-shows-lockdown-may-actually-be-deadlier-than-covid-itself-thread/

[dogmush]

Muh constitutionz!  Keep hearing this bleating all over facebook, and somewhat here, too.

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

States have elected representatives who have passed emergency powers laws. This is how they enforce curfews after hurricanes and earthquakes, and how they quell riots.
Right, wrong, or indifferent, this is the facts.

This is not a great argument.  The Bill of rights has been [mostly] incorporated to the states.  Things like the free exercise of religion (Easter Mass), or the right to peaceably assemble, both to petition for a redress of grievances and "to associate with others in pursuit of a wide variety of political, social, economic, educational, religious, and cultural ends" [Roberts v. United States Jaycees] are pretty firmly established as protected, and that prohibition on violating that right absolutely applies to the states, regardless of what their elected representatives may think.  

I know there are emergency powers laws, and I know why, but the First Amendment gets Strict Scrutiny (at least the religious parts), and this level of interference has definitely not been litigated.  SO it's fair to say "Muh constitutionz!" because it very likely that at minimum the banning of religious services by the states is unconstitutional.  Free assembly is an important right, as Hong Kong could probably tell you right now.


I recognize that I am in a minority (of the US) but no one ever promised Freedom was safe.  If Freedom, and not letting the state (or States) run roughshod means there is a measurable increase in deaths from any number of things than that's what it means.  For the same reason that we shouldn't let the States limit shitty food, or not exercising, or taking drugs, or unprotected sex, or anyone of a number of things that cause death or spread disease we shouldn't let State legislatures tell us we can or can't leave our houses or BBQ with friends.  Sorry, not sorry.

[Jamisjockey]

This is not a great argument.  The Bill of rights has been [mostly] incorporated to the states.  Things like the free exercise of religion (Easter Mass), or the right to peaceably assemble, both to petition for a redress of grievances and "to associate with others in pursuit of a wide variety of political, social, economic, educational, religious, and cultural ends" [Roberts v. United States Jaycees] are pretty firmly established as protected, and that prohibition on violating that right absolutely applies to the states, regardless of what their elected representatives may think.  

I know there are emergency powers laws, and I know why, but the First Amendment gets Strict Scrutiny (at least the religious parts), and this level of interference has definitely not been litigated.  SO it's fair to say "Muh constitutionz!" because it very likely that at minimum the banning of religious services by the states is unconstitutional.  Free assembly is an important right, as Hong Kong could probably tell you right now.


I recognize that I am in a minority (of the US) but no one ever promised Freedom was safe.  If Freedom, and not letting the state (or States) run roughshod means there is a measurable increase in deaths from any number of things than that's what it means.  For the same reason that we shouldn't let the States limit shitty food, or not exercising, or taking drugs, or unprotected sex, or anyone of a number of things that cause death or spread disease we shouldn't let State legislatures tell us we can or can't leave our houses or BBQ with friends.  Sorry, not sorry.

I actually agree. 

What has been exposed, however, is the dots from representative government to the laws they pass including emergency powers, to how they can actually be applied and used.
It's kind of a made our bed moment.