COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread

[TommyGunn]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52903717?fbclid=IwAR1fAYkAwS22HoS1tfaHDsFbWXr9ZaZ--nQa9ValG3W1v4bxFRIxPT8miEw

Sweden now says it was a mistake not to go into lockdown since too many people died.

The individual who initially gave us the 2.2 million dead in America if nothing was done now says lockdown changed absolutly nothing and Sweden did it right.   As for "too many people died,"   well ,  yea, compared to how many would have died if China had not lied, covered up,  and actually had requested help.  

I've forgotten the figures but Sweden really does not look too bad.   However,  it's a myth they did no lockdown.  They did some,  it just was not as broad as most others.

[Hawkmoon]

The individual who initially gave us the 2.2 million dead in America if nothing was done now says lockdown changed absolutly nothing and Sweden did it right.

Meanwhile, Sweden says Sweden did it wrong.

[MillCreek]

[lee n. field]

Hmmmm where have we heard this before?  https://www.newsweek.com/russia-developing-coronavirus-treatment-that-disinfects-body-uv-light-inside-1508350

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2naTw9y7zsE][url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2naTw9y7zsE[/url]

[Perd Hapley]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-idUSKBN2392WR

Lancet Formally Retracts Fake Hydroxychloroquine Study Used By Media To Attack Trump

https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/04/lancet-formally-retracts-fake-hydroxychloroquine-study-used-by-media-to-attack-trump-inbox/

[TommyGunn]

Meanwhile, Sweden says Sweden did it wrong.

Do I hear an echo in here?   

I think there is a growing realization in some areas that  we didn't need the lockdown we employed.  We should have concentrated on protecting the aged, infirm,  and those with  comorbidities  and let younger people more or less alone,  or use masks indoors   when in company.

I don't personally know if Sweden did it wel,, or poorly .... sorta think they're mainly o.k. 

I do think we went much too far. 

[Hawkmoon]

I don't personally know if Sweden did it wel,, or poorly .... sorta think they're mainly o.k. 
 

I don't know personally, either, since I'm not there. Data indicate the Sweden has had a CV-19 death rate 10 times higher than Norway, which did have a lockdown. That sounds statistically significant to me.

[cordex]

I don't know personally, either, since I'm not there. Data indicate the Sweden has had a CV-19 death rate 10 times higher than Norway, which did have a lockdown. That sounds statistically significant to me.

1. 10 times higher?  I doubt it.
2. There are massive state-to-state differences in the US.  Even states with similar policies.
3. Testing plays a big part in calculated death rates. For that matter, so does attribution of death.
4. Have those lives been “saved”, or were the deaths delayed by a few months?  The virus isn’t gone, and I’m not counting on a miracle cure any time soon.

[Hawkmoon]

1. 10 times higher?  I doubt it.

I didn't make up that number.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/swedens-covid-death-rate-now-ten-times-higher-than-norways/

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-sweden-and-norway-handled-coronavirus-differently-2020-4?op=1

[cordex]

I didn't make up that number.

Doesn't change my doubt in the slightest.

[ConstitutionCowboy]

Um ... Is Sweden the outlier or is it Norway? How does each country compare to the rest of the world?

Woody

[bedlamite]

Um ... Is Sweden the outlier or is it Norway? How does each country compare to the rest of the world?

Woody

A case could be made either way.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

[Ben]

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/06/05/this-cant-be-real-calif-countys-maximum-allowance-for-social-gatherings-protests-church-perfectly-sum-up-the-insanity/

[Perd Hapley]

The headline and lede are meant to suggest that a store manager was attacked by someone because the attacker didn't want to wear a mask. But, not surprisingly, someone freaked out for the usual reasons people flip out in retail stores.

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/06/07/bloodied-modesto-store-manager-describes-life-in-age-of-covid-19/

[230RN]

From the Twitchy responses:

I'm sorry, but… 😂😂😂

Does this mean people could gather in a group of 100 people, and claim it wasn't a social gathering, but rather a protest about the fact that social gathering is limited to 12 people? https://t.co/miLeljlyMg

— Jeremy Stangroom (@PhilosophyExp) June 5, 2020

  cum laude there, Jeremy !



Terry, 230RN

[zxcvbob]

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/06/05/this-cant-be-real-calif-countys-maximum-allowance-for-social-gatherings-protests-church-perfectly-sum-up-the-insanity/

https://babylonbee.com/news/churchgoers-avoid-arrest-by-disguising-themselves-as-rioters

[MillCreek]

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/shutdowns-prevented-60-million-coronavirus-infections-in-the-u-s-study-finds/

More modeling on the infection rate.

[Ron]

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/shutdowns-prevented-60-million-coronavirus-infections-in-the-u-s-study-finds/

More modeling on the infection rate.

LOL

[makattak]

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/shutdowns-prevented-60-million-coronavirus-infections-in-the-u-s-study-finds/

More modeling on the infection rate.

Are these the studies that were submitted for review on March 8?

If so, it seems they might be basing their study more on projections than data....

[Ben]

Apropos of nothing, or maybe something. I went in for my annual physical last week and the receptionist was wearing her mask with her nose exposed.  

I wasn't wearing a mask and wasn't required to. The staff all had them on, though given my above observation, likely to little effect. I got my physical at the rural clinic in town where the doc only shows up a couple of times a week. It's part of a fairly big regional medical center though, so the mask stuff might be stricter in the city clinics.

[MillCreek]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic-spread-who-bn/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_health+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Health%29

With additional confirmation of these findings, I will be interested to see if this changes the recommendations on masking at all. The primary reason I mask up is that I work daily in a healthcare facility surrounded by sick people, and I want to reduce the possibility that I am asymptomatically shedding virus to others.

[RoadKingLarry]

I've got a pre-op physical scheduled for.this afternoon.  Part of it includes a Covid test. I'll report back on the health and safety theater nonsense  I witness.

[MillCreek]

Apropos of nothing, or maybe something. I went in for my annual physical last week and the receptionist was wearing her mask with her nose exposed.  

I wasn't wearing a mask and wasn't required to. The staff all had them on, though given my above observation, likely to little effect. I got my physical at the rural clinic in town where the doc only shows up a couple of times a week. It's part of a fairly big regional medical center though, so the mask stuff might be stricter in the city clinics.

My very large multi-state healthcare system is generally requiring all staff to wear a mask and all patients and visitors to wear a mask, unless prevented by doing so for a medical reason.

[Ben]

I've got a pre-op physical scheduled for.this afternoon.  Part of it includes a Covid test. I'll report back on the health and safety theater nonsense  I witness.

I wasn't even offered a covid test.  I should have remembered to ask - I'm actually curious as to whether I've had it or not.

[makattak]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic-spread-who-bn/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_health+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Health%29

With additional confirmation of these findings, I will be interested to see if this changes the recommendations on masking at all. The primary reason I mask up is that I work daily in a healthcare facility surrounded by sick people, and I want to reduce the possibility that I am asymptomatically shedding virus to others.

As most of the response has been theatre for the past month or two, I'm doubting that new information is going to stop the bullheaded "experts" in the states that are refusing to release their citizens from house arrest.