COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread

[Ron]

Okay so having zero Covid transmission domestically, and all cases arriving from overseas is not zero Covid. That’s a bit silly for a standard - it’s like saying the US hasn’t eradicated malaria because it still exists in tropical countries and it hasn’t been 100 years since no cases in the US.

Having only Covid coming from overseas is a success in Covid management. That’s what our current lock downs will return us to.

The comparison to the USA, with hundreds of thousands dead and millions with lifelong complications speaks for itself. There’s no need to have that level of misery and strain on the public health system.

Allowing infected illegal aliens to swarm over the border then having the government ship them all over the country sure isn't a great infectious disease containment policy. A case could be made our government is perpetrating biological warfare against its own people with this satanic policy.

I believe in lockdowns, lockdown the borders to all immigration type of lockdown. Doesn't have to be permanent. Testing and quarantine for all visitors. Actually if they want to mandate vaccination status for visitors I couldn't care less. The problem is vaccines look to be losing their "punch". Testing and quarantine might end up being a better option. 

Government enforced sheltering in place, destroying small businesses, coercive vaccine policies and arbitrary unscientific rules (like social distancing) is just bureaucratic tyranny. 

Lock everyone in their houses, stop nearly all economic activity and make everyone afraid to talk to their neighbor face to face, force them to get an injection of a substance of unknown long term safety and we just might flatten the curve.

[dogmush]

Never mind lockdowns and killing small businesses,  this will turn the public against you right quick:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-nsw-council-shoots-shelter-dogs-over-infection-fears/5B3ZYZ35BPVEGWQNQXOHMG5HL4/

[TommyGunn]

Okay so having zero Covid transmission domestically, and all cases arriving from overseas is not zero Covid. That’s a bit silly for a standard - it’s like saying the US hasn’t eradicated malaria because it still exists in tropical countries and it hasn’t been 100 years since no cases in the US.  1.

Having only Covid coming from overseas is a success in Covid management. That’s what our current lock downs will return us to. 2.

The comparison to the USA, with hundreds of thousands dead and millions with lifelong complications speaks for itself. There’s no need to have that level of misery and strain on the public health system. 3.

1. ALL covid19 came from somewhere else  - - - unless you're in Wuhan China.

2. It's not success, it's risk.   The only possible way not to have that risk is to completely ban entries into Australia.

3. We have had 600,000+  deaths.  I don't know where you get "millions with lifelong complications,"  which are rare but do exist.  America is much larger than Australia and New Zealand combined so, yes,  we're gonna have more problems,  especially as our current dysfunctional president has allowed our southern border to be effectively wide open and the "D" variant is very transmissable compared to the early version.
Your snark that "there's no need to have that level of misery and strain on the public healthcare system" is just plain nasty.
IT'S A PANDEMIC!!!! 
Plenty of other countries have suffered a lot of infections and deaths as well.  Italy, India, England.
Take your vile remarks and   *********

[Jim147]

Someone should lock their self in their room and never come out again.

[De Selby]

I believe in lockdowns, lockdown the borders to all immigration type of lockdown. Doesn't have to be permanent. Testing and quarantine for all visitors. Actually if they want to mandate vaccination status for visitors I couldn't care less. The problem is vaccines look to be losing their "punch". Testing and quarantine might end up being a better option. 

After bringing local transmission of Covid to zero, this is exactly what the NZ and Australian governments did and it worked. Vaccination and other control measures haven’t really been an issue because they didn’t need to be - you could be open with no Covid.

[De Selby]

1. ALL covid19 came from somewhere else  - - - unless you're in Wuhan China.

2. It's not success, it's risk.   The only possible way not to have that risk is to completely ban entries into Australia.

3. We have had 600,000+  deaths.  I don't know where you get "millions with lifelong complications,"  which are rare but do exist.  America is much larger than Australia and New Zealand combined so, yes,  we're gonna have more problems,  especially as our current dysfunctional president has allowed our southern border to be effectively wide open and the "D" variant is very transmissable compared to the early version.
Your snark that "there's no need to have that level of misery and strain on the public healthcare system" is just plain nasty.
IT'S A PANDEMIC!!!! 
Plenty of other countries have suffered a lot of infections and deaths as well.  Italy, India, England.
Take your vile remarks and   *********

Sorry, but pointing out that across two administrations no effective response to COVID has been mounted in the US is not snark. You can repeat that it’s inevitable as many times as you want, but that is demonstrably untrue evidenced by places that did respond effectively to the pandemic.

[cordex]

There are a handful of advantages to a totalitarian society and there are risks associated with a non-totalitarian society.

Personally, I'll take the risks.

[Ben]

There are a handful of advantages to a totalitarian society and there are risks associated with a non-totalitarian society.

Personally, I'll take the risks.

Yup.

Funny (well, sort of), I've been watching a bunch of Russian travel videos lately, and a country that we have historically viewed as somewhat totalitarian, seems to be pretty much wide open with few restrictions. More so than the USA.

[WLJ]

Yup.

Funny (well, sort of), I've been watching a bunch of Russian travel videos lately, and a country that we have historically viewed as somewhat totalitarian, seems to be pretty much wide open with few restrictions. More so than the USA.

As long as you're not a threat to Putin

[Jim147]

You better go to the store De Shelby. Truckers say they are going to strike because of the lock downs.

Should be fun. Maybe the truckers will do it here for locked down states.

[Boomhauer]

Okay so having zero Covid transmission domestically, and all cases arriving from overseas is not zero Covid. That’s a bit silly for a standard - it’s like saying the US hasn’t eradicated malaria because it still exists in tropical countries and it hasn’t been 100 years since no cases in the US.

Having only Covid coming from overseas is a success in Covid management. That’s what our current lock downs will return us to.

The comparison to the USA, with hundreds of thousands dead and millions with lifelong complications speaks for itself. There’s no need to have that level of misery and strain on the public health system.

Goddamn boy but you sure do love authoritarianism

[Hawkmoon]

Never mind lockdowns and killing small businesses,  this will turn the public against you right quick:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-nsw-council-shoots-shelter-dogs-over-infection-fears/5B3ZYZ35BPVEGWQNQXOHMG5HL4/

That's not sane.

[tokugawa]

That's not sane.

  This "sane".  What is "sane? "
  Please explain, and  give examples from current affairs.

[WLJ]

Reminds me of that episode of Chernobyl where they're shooting the animals

[sumpnz]

1. ALL covid19 came from somewhere else  - - - unless you're in Wuhan China.

2. It's not success, it's risk.   The only possible way not to have that risk is to completely ban entries into Australia.

3. We have had 600,000+  deaths.  I don't know where you get "millions with lifelong complications,"  which are rare but do exist.  America is much larger than Australia and New Zealand combined so, yes,  we're gonna have more problems,  especially as our current dysfunctional president has allowed our southern border to be effectively wide open and the "D" variant is very transmissable compared to the early version.
Your snark that "there's no need to have that level of misery and strain on the public healthcare system" is just plain nasty.
IT'S A PANDEMIC!!!! 
Plenty of other countries have suffered a lot of infections and deaths as well.  Italy, India, England.
Take your vile remarks and   *********

Of the 600k dead probably 550k would be dead anyway even had covid never been released (accidentally or intentionally doesn’t matter anymore) by the CCP. 

[dogmush]

*citation needed

[sumpnz]

Reminds me of that episode of Chernobyl where they're shooting the animals

Horrifying as that was, it was really somewhat merciful as otherwise most would have starved to death.  The people were forced to leave them behind when they evacuated, and there wasn’t nearly enough food for them.  Plus the radiation.

The Aussie killing of shelter dogs that were otherwise being well cared for just because they wanted to stop people traveling is pure evil. 

[WLJ]

Horrifying as that was, it was really somewhat merciful as otherwise most would have starved to death.  The people were forced to leave them behind when they evacuated, and there wasn’t nearly enough food for them.  Plus the radiation.

The Aussie killing of shelter dogs that were otherwise being well cared for just because they wanted to stop people traveling is pure evil.

Agree fully. It just brought it to mind.

[fifth_column]

  This "sane".  What is "sane? "
  Please explain, and  give examples from current affairs.

Sanity is a numbers game. The definition is literally decided upon by societal/cultural consensus.

[TommyGunn]

Sorry, but pointing out that across two administrations no effective response to COVID has been mounted in the US is not snark. You can repeat that it’s inevitable as many times as you want, but that is demonstrably untrue evidenced by places that did respond effectively to the pandemic.

And you can point out all the little isolated places in the middle of an ocean that have had no problems all you want to but you have yet to inform us how a country the size of America can avoid a world wide pandemic.
I'd say that getting three vaccines ready inside of a year is a pretty darn good response to a major pandemic.  How many vaccines did Australia make?
Zero.  Nada. Zip. Ziltch.  And what % of Aussies are vaccinated?

As for isolated places, the island nation of Tonga  has true ZERO COVID.  No Covid 19 cases.  Of course it's a really small island few people ever even heard of.
I've never heard of it before now.

The more isolated the local is,  the easier it is to keep out THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN - - - - - oooops, covid 19 ... or any similar major respiratory pandemic.

The United States of America is the flip side of Tonga;  NOT isolated. I wish it was.

Do you rag on Italy, India, England, or other countries that have suffered with covid 19 as harshly as you do America?   
Or are you just laser-beam focused on America?

[RoadKingLarry]

Horrifying as that was, it was really somewhat merciful as otherwise most would have starved to death.  The people were forced to leave them behind when they evacuated, and there wasn’t nearly enough food for them.  Plus the radiation.

The Aussie killing of shelter dogs that were otherwise being well cared for just because they wanted to stop people traveling is pure evil.

I'm sure De Selby will be along to defend the actions of his fellow jack booted statists.

[Boomhauer]

And you can point out all the little isolated places in the middle of an ocean that have had no problems all you want to but you have yet to inform us how a country the size of America can avoid a world wide pandemic.
I'd say that getting three vaccines ready inside of a year is a pretty darn good response to a major pandemic.  How many vaccines did Australia make?
Zero.  Nada. Zip. Ziltch.  And what % of Aussies are vaccinated?

As for isolated places, the island nation of Tonga  has true ZERO COVID.  No Covid 19 cases.  Of course it's a really small island few people ever even heard of.
I've never heard of it before now.

The more isolated the local is,  the easier it is to keep out THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN - - - - - oooops, covid 19 ... or any similar major respiratory pandemic.

The United States of America is the flip side of Tonga;  NOT isolated. I wish it was.

Do you rag on Italy, India, England, or other countries that have suffered with covid 19 as harshly as you do America?   
Or are you just laser-beam focused on America?

You look at his post history and it’s pretty much exclusively coming here to make snide remarks about America and in particular the healthcare system. One might say it’s trolling. And it’s 50/50 whether he will drive by troll or stick around for a few posts/pages

[WLJ]

He blinked

Gov. Beshear rescinds executive order mandating masks in schools, child care facilities
https://www.wdrb.com/in-depth/gov-beshear-rescinds-executive-order-mandating-masks-in-schools-child-care-facilities/article_976d43e8-0432-11ec-b884-9b9ba3de120e.html

and then calls the National Guard to the hospitals

Kentucky seeking help from National Guard, FEMA to help overwhelmed hospitals
https://www.wlky.com/article/kentucky-seeking-help-from-national-guard-fema-to-help-overwhelmed-hospitals-covid/37377088

[WLJ]

Never too early to start a panic

    ALERT: New super variant named “Covid-22” could be more dangerous than Delta strain, expert warnedhttps://t.co/uChKwKTyFv

    — Insider Paper (@TheInsiderPaper) August 23, 2021

“Professor Doctor Sai Reddy of the federal technology institute ETH Zurich, an immunologist, believes that combination of existing strains could result in a new and more dangerous phase of the pandemic,” the paper reports. In other words, COVID-22 doesn’t exist yet and might not ever exist.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/23/here-we-go-again-expert-warns-of-a-new-super-variant-dubbed-covid-22-that-could-be-more-dangerous-than-delta/

[TommyGunn]

Never too early to start a panic
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/23/here-we-go-again-expert-warns-of-a-new-super-variant-dubbed-covid-22-that-could-be-more-dangerous-than-delta/

Aha!  Here comesTHE ANDROMEDA STRAIN 2.0!!!