Post by: Manedwolf on February 14, 2008, 12:17:07 PM
WHICH IS WHY THIS KEEPS HAPPENING!
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CHICAGO (Reuters) - At least 18 people were shot when a gunman opened fire at Northern Illinois University outside Chicago on Thursday, CNN reported its local affiliate as saying.
It was unclear how serious the injuries were and whether any of the people had died at the college in DeKalb, about 65 miles west of downtown Chicago.
It was unclear how serious the injuries were and whether any of the people had died at the college in DeKalb, about 65 miles west of downtown Chicago.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1448844420080214
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 14, 2008, 12:20:45 PM
Post by: James Fitzer on February 14, 2008, 12:21:43 PM
Post by: Manedwolf on February 14, 2008, 12:31:14 PM
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"There has been a report of a possible gunman on campus," according to the alert. "Get to a safe area and take precautions until given the all clear.
So what are you supposed to do if they come through the door, if you don't have a gun to stop them with?
Post by: Tecumseh on February 14, 2008, 12:36:15 PM
What gets me is their idea of "precautions"
So what are you supposed to do if they come through the door, if you don't have a gun to stop them with?
Why call the police of course. They will appear instantly and neutralize the bad guy. Quote
"There has been a report of a possible gunman on campus," according to the alert. "Get to a safe area and take precautions until given the all clear.
So what are you supposed to do if they come through the door, if you don't have a gun to stop them with?
I am so sick of the bullshit in this state in regards to guns and CCW. The state has a monopoly on force, controls who can and cannot purchase guns, and they treat us like peasants in regards to the thought of us defending ourselves.
I am terrified as I have quite a few friends at NIU.
Post by: Manedwolf on February 14, 2008, 12:39:56 PM
I am so sick of the bullshit in this state in regards to guns and CCW. The state has a monopoly on force, controls who can and cannot LEGALLY purchase guns, and they treat us like peasants in regards to the thought of us defending ourselves.
One word to further clarify the problem there.
You're unable to defend yourself, while every nutball and gangsta is free to buy a serials-filed piece in a back alley and go driveby/rampage with it.
"gun-free zone"...
Post by: Balog on February 14, 2008, 12:53:37 PM
What gets me is their idea of "precautions"
So what are you supposed to do if they come through the door, if you don't have a gun to stop them with?
Why call the police of course. They will appear instantly and neutralize the bad guy. Quote
"There has been a report of a possible gunman on campus," according to the alert. "Get to a safe area and take precautions until given the all clear.
So what are you supposed to do if they come through the door, if you don't have a gun to stop them with?
I am so sick of the bullshit in this state in regards to guns and CCW. The state has a monopoly on force, controls who can and cannot purchase guns, and they treat us like peasants in regards to the thought of us defending ourselves.
I am terrified as I have quite a few friends at NIU.
Take note aps; for the first and perhaps only time, Tec and I are in complete agreement.
When I start using my GI bill I'm carrying; screw the university rules.
Post by: Eleven Mike on February 14, 2008, 01:14:50 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=4171939&postcount=39
Post by: Marvin Dao on February 14, 2008, 01:30:14 PM
Don't worry about these mass shootings, folks. It's only the patriots revolting against tyranny.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=4171939&postcount=39
http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=4171939&postcount=39
So the correct response to the gov't taking away your rights is to run around shooting people?
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I am so sick of the bullshit in this state in regards to guns and CCW. The state has a monopoly on force, controls who can and cannot purchase guns, and they treat us like peasants in regards to the thought of us defending ourselves.
Genius isn't it? Every incident that occurs because people can't defend themselves gives the state even more propaganda to use in it's efforts to disarm the population.
Post by: James Fitzer on February 14, 2008, 01:33:17 PM
I mean, it wouldn't be random college students though
Post by: Manedwolf on February 14, 2008, 02:09:05 PM
Because he knew nobody could shoot back. After all...
...it was a gun-free zone.
Post by: 280plus on February 14, 2008, 02:34:24 PM
yet again...
Post by: Manedwolf on February 15, 2008, 04:24:26 AM
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Desiree Smith, 21, was taking notes on continental drift when out of the corner of her eye she saw a figure in a black ski cap step onto the stage, beside the instructor.
"He was holding this huge gun," she said. "I couldn't even process it. He stood there with the gun pointing down, almost like an action-movie poster -- that's what he looked like for a second. Then he lifted it up and shot at my teacher."
Smith dropped to the ground. Under the chair, she locked eyes with another student. They stared at one another in terrified stillness. Then the other student began to move. Afraid of being left alone, Smith followed her, clambering on elbows and knees up the aisle.
"I could feel people bumping me, crawling over me. Everyone was pushing, clawing at the ground, trying to get out as soon as possible," Smith said.
"He was holding this huge gun," she said. "I couldn't even process it. He stood there with the gun pointing down, almost like an action-movie poster -- that's what he looked like for a second. Then he lifted it up and shot at my teacher."
Smith dropped to the ground. Under the chair, she locked eyes with another student. They stared at one another in terrified stillness. Then the other student began to move. Afraid of being left alone, Smith followed her, clambering on elbows and knees up the aisle.
"I could feel people bumping me, crawling over me. Everyone was pushing, clawing at the ground, trying to get out as soon as possible," Smith said.
A few days ago, late at night, high winds tipped over my aluminum patio set and knocked it against the front door, sounding like someone kicked the door or fell hard against it. (of course, I didn't know that's what it was!) Almost faster than conscious thought, as a first reaction, I had my SIG in hand out of the drawer, just like that.
Why did I turn out differently that that's my reaction to a threat, instead?
Oh, and yes, of course, the leftists are already starting to bleat to "take guns out of the hands of private citizens, only the police should have them"...
Post by: vaskidmark on February 15, 2008, 01:17:15 PM
So they had a freakin' plan in place to actually PREVENT just such an incident.
And the freakin' plan WORKED.
If that's the case, I'd hate to see the plan they have in place to prevent the spread of influenza. It would probably make 1919 seem pake in comparison.
stay safe.
skidmark
Post by: Sergeant Bob on February 15, 2008, 03:35:03 PM
I just heard that governor Blowyavitch declared a "state of emergency" at NIU.
Post by: Bogie on February 15, 2008, 04:31:36 PM
They showed some images of the kirkwood city hall on the news the other night - they already had crews in putting up fresh drywall...
Post by: Desertdog on February 15, 2008, 05:20:24 PM
Post by: Scout26 on February 15, 2008, 05:35:48 PM
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I am just wondering what religion the shooter was.
I believe he was a whackjob.
Post by: Desertdog on February 15, 2008, 05:39:04 PM
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When I start using my GI bill I'm carrying; screw the university rules
I will agree with you IF you get caught you can only be expelled from college. Some places though, if you get caught on campus with a firearm it is prison time. You don't want that.
Post by: Sergeant Bob on February 15, 2008, 06:49:30 PM
I am just wondering what religion the shooter was. I have not heard anything mentioned about this fact.
Why is that important?
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 15, 2008, 07:35:14 PM
I am just wondering what religion the shooter was. I have not heard anything mentioned about this fact.
I think what you're wanting to know is the killer's motivation. Which may not be the same as his religion.
Or you could just ask if he was an Islamic terrorist.
Post by: Manedwolf on February 16, 2008, 04:50:31 AM
Post by: Tecumseh on February 16, 2008, 04:52:33 PM
I am just wondering what religion the shooter was. I have not heard anything mentioned about this fact.
Christian is my guess. THis is based on his name, complexion, and other characteristics including his picture. What does it matter?
Post by: Matthew Carberry on February 16, 2008, 05:44:23 PM
I am just wondering what religion the shooter was. I have not heard anything mentioned about this fact.
Christian is my guess. THis is based on his name, complexion, and other characteristics including his picture. What does it matter?
Careful, you're profiling using stereotypes.
And you're almost certainly correct, and it doesn't matter.
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 16, 2008, 07:51:02 PM
I am just wondering what religion the shooter was. I have not heard anything mentioned about this fact.
Christian is my guess. THis is based on his name, complexion, and other characteristics including his picture. OK, I get the name thing, but how could someone's complexion or appearance indicate Christianity?
Post by: seeker_two on February 17, 2008, 03:36:25 AM
I am just wondering what religion the shooter was. I have not heard anything mentioned about this fact.
Christian is my guess. THis is based on his name, complexion, and other characteristics including his picture. OK, I get the name thing, but how could someone's complexion or appearance indicate Christianity?
Agreed.....he may be agnostic or athiest....or even follow another religion like that Richard Reed fellow....
Post by: Manedwolf on February 17, 2008, 07:16:44 AM
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DEKALB, Ill. Steven Kazmierczak, at 27, looked like an average schoolboy except that his arms were covered with disturbing tattoos, including a doll from the horror movie "Saw."
Professors and students knew him as a bright, helpful scholar, but his past included a stint in a mental health center.
Professors and students knew him as a bright, helpful scholar, but his past included a stint in a mental health center.
http://washingtontimes.com/article/20080217/NATION/581694692/0/FOREIGN
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 17, 2008, 01:25:50 PM
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A well regulated militia being necessary to the protection of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed
2nd amendment, US Constitution, 1791
Four Million members of the NRA
$100MILLION what members of the National Rifle Association give to the organisation annually
50% proportion of US suicides involving a gun
Four Presidents shot dead Abraham Lincoln 1865 James Garfield 1881 William McKinley 1901 John F Kennedy 1963
30,000 people who die of gunshot wounds in America each year
You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands Charlton Heston, ex-president of the NRA, 2000
2nd amendment, US Constitution, 1791
Four Million members of the NRA
$100MILLION what members of the National Rifle Association give to the organisation annually
50% proportion of US suicides involving a gun
Four Presidents shot dead Abraham Lincoln 1865 James Garfield 1881 William McKinley 1901 John F Kennedy 1963
30,000 people who die of gunshot wounds in America each year
You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands Charlton Heston, ex-president of the NRA, 2000
Post by: BridgeWalker on February 17, 2008, 01:52:45 PM
I'm not surprised, given the blatantly anti-American rantings I've encountered from Brits on other boards, many of them centered on the evils of guns. No wonder they are so virulent if they're getting their propaganda from a rag like that one.
Post by: Manedwolf on February 17, 2008, 03:08:11 PM
Is that "normal" these days?
Post by: BridgeWalker on February 17, 2008, 03:33:42 PM
Is that "normal" these days?
I dunno. It seems a little bizarre to get a tattoo of a character from a crappy movie no one will remember in fifteen or twenty years.
Ultimately, what does it matter? There is no just way to prevent this kind of thing. Should we lock up everyone with bizarre tastes in tattoos, or everyone who cuts themselves (which, I can assure you, is a *very* common, if somewhat deviant behavior)? Everyone who quits a job abruptly, or everyone who drops out of a grad program?
It's a little odd that he was being reported in the "ordinary guy gone nuts" mode, but that's just the media works. They created an image to go along with what they figured out about him in the first hour or so after the shooting, and it matched his yearbook picture.
It's all just media craze anyway, that is ultimately pointless.
Post by: Manedwolf on February 17, 2008, 03:46:03 PM
Post by: BridgeWalker on February 17, 2008, 03:51:05 PM
Nooz also reported that he "pushed around" his girlfriend some. That's the sad thing, if she'd reported a domestic violence incident, he would not have been able to buy the guns.
I guess not. But I don't remotely support that law; it's so frequently used by women who just want to mess with an ex or stbx, and I highly doubt that "pushing her around but not hitting her or anything" which is more or less what I read, would have led to a conviction if reported.
Way off in the world of if's here anyway, but sadly, I don't think losing one's temper and shoving a significant other is basis enough to see serious trouble in the future.
ETA: and the handguns would have been harder, but even a clean-cut college kid who doesn't know much from either crime or guns can easily pick up an 870 without a NICS check. Private purchase, straw purchase, etc.
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 18, 2008, 08:29:02 AM
But I don't remotely support that law; it's so frequently used by women who just want to mess with an ex or stbx,
And besides, what do the guns have to do with it? Men usually don't need guns to beat up their women. And I don't know if spousal abuse is really enough to nullify their right to self-defense. Then again...
What's an sbtx?
Post by: The Viking on February 18, 2008, 08:39:43 AM
It now turns out that this "normal" guy had a tattoo done along his arms of a demonic-looking doll from the movie "Saw", riding a tricycle through a pool of blood with more bloody slashes in the background. Also, he used to cut himself.
Is that "normal" these days?
A guy at my job has this Is that "normal" these days?
picture of Linda Blair, in all her demon, going totally batpoo glory tattooed on his hand 
. He's a really nice guy. I'd trust him anyday 
. Even though he probably has some mild ADD .
Post by: BridgeWalker on February 18, 2008, 08:59:19 AM
Post by: Bogie on February 18, 2008, 09:07:46 AM
Post by: SteveS on February 18, 2008, 09:17:15 AM
Nooz also reported that he "pushed around" his girlfriend some. That's the sad thing, if she'd reported a domestic violence incident, he would not have been able to buy the guns.
She has denied this is several interviews.