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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Battle Monkey of Zardoz on February 13, 2016, 05:07:17 PM
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http://m.mysanantonio.com/news/us-world/article/Senior-Associate-Justice-Antonin-Scalia-found-6828930.php
Rest in peace sir.
We are *expletive deleted*ed. [barf]
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Rest in peace sir.
Ditto, and we are in potentially deep crap. Let's see if McConnell plays ball right away.
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R.I.P.
I bet O' tries to rush through an appointment; probably another woman who looks like a man with a bad haircut. [barf]
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R.I.P.
We are so screwed.
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Yep. This could be very, very bad.
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He was the best of them.
RIP
Oh, and we're *expletive deleted*ed, as was already mentioned.
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R.I.P.
I'm not entirely sure *expletive deleted*ed fully describes how *expletive deleted*ed we are.
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This will be a HUGE test for the GOP - do they block BHO's next anti-American nominee and make do with a court that's 1 short until next year, or do they pre-emptively surrender and allow BHO to move the nation further left and trash the Constitution?
I'm not at all confident the Mitch McConnell - led Senate won't simply roll over. =(
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Ah *expletive deleted*it
And no the GOP morons will roll over because they are spineless
This is really the one place that Obama can hurt us bad
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And .22 was just coming back.
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I really hated to see this.
We are indeed screwed.
Any ideas on who Obama will foist on the court and drive the US over the brink.
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Holder
God save us
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Had died? Is he alive now?
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R.I.P.
I bet O' tries to rush through an appointment; probably another woman who looks like a man with a bad haircut. [barf]
Nope. We need transgendered.
OR
If Clinton wins, she appoints Obama
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Aw, heck. He wrote opinions that were...readable and entertaining. Logic actually flowed rather than fled screaming from the page.
RIP, Justice Scalia.
This will be a HUGE test for the GOP - do they block BHO's next anti-American nominee and make do with a court that's 1 short until next year, or do they pre-emptively surrender and allow BHO to move the nation further left and trash the Constitution?
I'm not at all confident the Mitch McConnell - led Senate won't simply roll over. =(
I share all that sentiment.
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RIP to a guy who seemed to really believe in the constitution. He has saved freedom's bacon on many occasions, and when he couldn't, his rebuttals were eloquent.
I'm in with the crowd that says we're screwed. Possibly double screwed, because I seem to recall that Ginsburg was possibly looking at retiring before Obama leaves office.
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A sad day indeed and especially so for Justice Scalia's family & friends.
I was just watching Fox News; there is already "talk" of the republicans in the Senate holding up any nomination President Obama might make, but there is question whether they can make it last a year. Something may be brewing that may be noisy nasty and ..... well, "icky" inside the bitter beltway of political poltroonery.
Let me just say that other justices are also near retirement and the next president may be able to rectify this situation, and the court may not even hear any 2A cases in the meantime.
We have had the court for awhile now. Let me reflect here that, outside of 2A cases, it has done us very little good. Republican justices have "gone over to the dark side" on some cases, surprising many on the political right.
And let us not forget Justice Roberts, who twice helped render screwball decisions on Obamacare that bewildered atleast me, if no one else.
I will say a prayer for Scalia's family.
But may God help the Supreme Court of the United States of America.
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R.I.P. Scalia =(
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I respect the man as a judge, and as a legal mind. Didn't agree with everything, but in my opinion, that's okay.
Here's the thing. To revers any of the 2A decisions, you need another case that would bring the issue before the SCOTUS. I don't know of anything currently pending before an appeals court. So, it could be years before the issue hits SCOTUS again. Not that this helps us in the long run.
Honestly, I think it would be very hard for a new SCOTUS to completely reverse Heller, and go from individual right to collective right, or none at all. I think "reasonable restrictions" are where they will go next, aiming for EBRs, or maybe all "high capacity" semi autos.
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This will be a HUGE test for the GOP - do they block BHO's next anti-American nominee and make do with a court that's 1 short until next year...
Imagine a Trump presidency, wherein he nominates Ted Cruz to the bench. The Senate would swat that down immediately, but the wailing and gnashing of teeth would be epic! No, wait; beyond epic. Icelandic saga!
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Imagine a Trump presidency, wherein he nominates Ted Cruz to the bench. The Senate would swat that down immediately, but the wailing and gnashing of teeth would be epic! No, wait; beyond epic. Icelandic saga!
Epic enough to air of PPV. Proceeds to fund reducing deficit.
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Imagine a Trump presidency, wherein he nominates Ted Cruz to the bench. The Senate would swat that down immediately, but the wailing and gnashing of teeth would be epic! No, wait; beyond epic. Icelandic saga!
Hmmm . . . a GOP Senate swatting down a sitting GOP senator from a SCOTUS nomination . . . might be hard on their re-election chances.
How about nominating a woman - say, Jeanine Pirro - to the bench? I'd support that whole heartedly. >:D
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God rest his soul
<yoda >"Boned we are. Suck it we must"<\yoda>
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Suck it we must
:O
PHRASING!
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Cemeteries are filled with indispensable people.
Sigh.
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Died of natural causes? I'm suspicious. [tinfoil]
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Best we can hope for is that the tendency for the court to not reverse itself too often continues. =(
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Here's the thing. To revers any of the 2A decisions, you need another case that would bring the issue before the SCOTUS. I don't know of anything currently pending before an appeals court. So, it could be years before the issue hits SCOTUS again. Not that this helps us in the long run.
Connecticut just filed for certiorari on the challenge to its AWB. I just received an e-mail about it yesterday. Lemme see if it's still in my inbox ...
(Groton, CT) - The Connecticut Citizens Defense League along with fellow plaintiffs have filed an appeal to the Supreme Court of the United States (Shew v. Malloy). The appeal challenges part of Public Act 13-3 (An Act Concerning Gun Violence Prevention and Children's Safety) that was enacted by the Connecticut Legislature back in 2013.
The plaintiffs are challenging the ban on certain firearms that look similar to assault rifles. The plaintiffs claim that these are common semi-automatic firearms that only shoot once when the trigger is pulled; identical to others not banned. Real "assault rifles" are full-automatic and can fire multiple times when the trigger is pulled. Real assault rifles are already highly regulated by both federal and state government, and civilian ownership is quite rare.
The plaintiff's challenge has been narrowed to focus strictly on the banned firearms and not magazines that contain 10 rounds or more as originally argued. The legal strategy behind this tactic is to offer the Supreme Court consideration to solely address this single issue with the hope that they will hear the case. ...
http://ccdl.us/blog/2016/02/11/press-release-scotus-filed/
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R.I.P
He was one of the few fine threads much of our liberty was hanging on by.
Don't worry, President Trump will probably get to nominate the replacement justice.
Maybe he will nominate his sister who he has said is such a great judge.
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Cemeteries are filled with indispensable people.
Sigh.
It's been on for a while, this just adds to the tab.
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R.I.P. Justice Scalia. Your efforts to preserve and defend The Constitution were greatly appreciated. You will be missed, good sir.
McConnell has already made noises to the effect that he will try to block Obama's nominations for the rest of his term. I suspect he's just preparing his backside for his eventual rolling over.
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Connecticut just filed for certiorari on the challenge to its AWB. I just received an e-mail about it yesterday. Lemme see if it's still in my inbox ...
http://ccdl.us/blog/2016/02/11/press-release-scotus-filed/
Well, crap. If they grant certiorari, it could be submitted to the court next year. This sounds like the reasonable restrictions case I've been fearing. Don't want to imagine where they might draw that line...
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Cemeteries are filled with indispensable people.
Sigh.
And our republic totters.
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The other bad thing, if Obama (or a 2017 Dem) gets to choose replacements for both Scalia and Ginsburg, is that Sotomayer and Kagan are relatively young. So them, plus two new young liberals, plus Roberts who is young and wishy-washy, and the court could be skewed left/sellout for a very long time.
Even if a Republican is elected, the way things stand, any nominations that actually make it through will likely be milquetoast conservatives at best. I'm not sure if we'll ever see another Scalia on the court, let alone a majority of like-thinkers who embrace what the Constitution is and stands for.
Debbie Downer I know, but that's my current take on the reality.
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Died of natural causes? I'm suspicious. [tinfoil]
First thing I thought. Check for a poison.
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The other bad thing, if Obama (or a 2017 Dem) gets to choose replacements for both Scalia and Ginsburg, is that Sotomayer and Kagan are relatively young. So them, plus two new young liberals, plus Roberts who is young and wishy-washy, and the court could be skewed left/sellout for a very long time.
Even if a Republican is elected, the way things stand, any nominations that actually make it through will likely be milquetoast conservatives at best. I'm not sure if we'll ever see another Scalia on the court, let alone a majority of like-thinkers who embrace what the Constitution is and stands for.
Debbie Downer I know, but that's my current take on the reality.
John Bolton would be my first pick.
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Well, crap. If they grant certiorari, it could be submitted to the court next year. This sounds like the reasonable restrictions case I've been fearing. Don't want to imagine where they might draw that line...
Considering that Maryland's AWB was just booted back downstairs on appeal, while New York and Connecticut got bupkis from their appeals, I guess we now have a circuit split ... so the case is ripe for the Supremes to hear it.
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Regardless of how scotus rules on guns, some poor schmuck would still have to confiscate them.
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R.I.P. Justice Scalia. Your efforts to preserve and defend The Constitution were greatly appreciated. You will be missed, good sir...
Agree 100%.
...McConnell has already made noises to the effect that he will try to block Obama's nominations for the rest of his term. I suspect he's just preparing his backside for his eventual rolling over.
Sounds about right to me.
I see no silver lining. We've discussed this kind of possibility for years. Almost eight of them.
Rest in peace, Justice Scalia. I thank you for your efforts to maintain the Constitution in good order.
Terry
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Anyone know anything about this guy?
http://komonews.com/news/nation-world/sri-srinivasan-who-is-he-scalias-possible-replacement (http://komonews.com/news/nation-world/sri-srinivasan-who-is-he-scalias-possible-replacement)
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Died of natural causes? I'm suspicious. [tinfoil]
He was 79 years old. People wear out.
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Saw a post on Facebook from some lib hoping that now Thomas would die. Gotta love their class.
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The NRA just published an article about our superannuated justices. (Or "justices.")
http://www.americas1stfreedom.org/articles/2016/1/27/hellers-vultures/
According to the article, Ginsberg is 83, Kennedy is 79, and Breyer is 76. So there may be some (slim) hope that a Republican president might repair the damage done by whomever the O selects. Though I could also imagine all three of those stepping down, if a Republican is elected, allowing a lame duck Obama to nominate their replacements. The Left doesn't play around anymore.
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Saw a post on Facebook from some lib a metric buttload of libs hoping that now Thomas would die. Gotta love their class.
FTFY
I don't think I've seen this much liberal hate (hey, hate speech!) since Bush was in office. Lots of grave dancing.
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I don't think I've seen this much liberal hate (hey, hate speech!) since Bush was in office. Lots of grave dancing.
I don't prune my 'friend' list for political beliefs, but the lack of class displayed in this... my stomach is turned. Such willful stupidity and hate. And still seeing folks that worship at the shrine of Obama. Granted, I'm in NY, but I am seeing posts from classmates of mine from law school, actual practicing lawyers, saying Obama (not the president, a president, the office, Obama) has the constitutional right to appoint whoever he wants and it is treasonous to oppose it. They will even post the clause below it. I want to repost with the 'advice and consent of the senate' part in bold and point out how Scalia's nomination had no opposition, and as someone of Italian Heritage for that day in age, that was something. All those slopes he warned about in his dissent, we have been sliding down. He had the humility to stand back and say when it wasn't the job of the court to 'Fix' the government.
Garbage in, Garbage Out, get educated, involved, vote in a better government.
I do believe as a nation we are diminished for this loss.
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I was refreshing my memory on Dem and liberal reactions to various Republican SC nominations. Bork stood out, especially regarding the "Biden Report" (yes, same Biden). Hopefully when the libs start yelling "right wing obstruction" some of this will come back into the light. Glass houses and all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bork_Supreme_Court_nomination
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/texas-tv-station-scalia-died-of-a-heart-attack/2016/02/14/938e2170-d332-11e5-9823-02b905009f99_story.html
Interesting. Pronounced dead, without seeing body. No autopsy. Hmm
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I don't know how they do it in Texas, but here in Washington, death certificates list a cause of death and are signed without an autopsy, based upon information found at the scene and information from the person's physician. I think at least part of the reason for this is that the typical county medical examiner or coroner is overworked and underfunded, and they tend to do the autopsies for the criminal cases only.
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I went down and paid my respects to his daughter and her family (They have a daughter the same age as mine, and Robert has a couple of classes with his grandson). Arrangements are still being made. There are no signs anything necessitating an autopsy. He was 79 and it looks like a heart attack.
So please turn off the conspiracy theories. A family has lost a father, husband, and grandfather and are in mourning, just like any other. Prayers and/or good thoughts would be appreciated.
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http://m.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Texas-ranch-owner-recalls-Scalia-s-last-hours-6830372.php
This just gets weirder. Found dead with a pillow over his head. WTF
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http://m.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Texas-ranch-owner-recalls-Scalia-s-last-hours-6830372.php
This just gets weirder. Found dead with a pillow over his head. WTF
Meh. What's the time of death? Maybe he woke up at 7 am, and there was too much light getting in through the curtains, or somebody was making a lot of noise in the next room.
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Meh. What's the time of death? Maybe he woke up at 7 am, and there was too much light getting in through the curtains, or somebody was making a lot of noise in the next room.
With no autopsy, exact time of death might never be known
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With no autopsy, exact time of death might never be known
It said the body was cold, and I think it was implied rigor had started. So he probably died shortly after going to bed.
Pillow could be that he was sitting up in bed with the pillow propped up against the headboard, had the heart attack and laid down in hopes he'd feel better. Pillow fell over him after he died.
I can certainly get tinfoily at time, but in this case I rather doubt it was anything but natural. If Obama (or hangar on) wanted to bump off Scalia now is a bad time to try. Not the worst time to try, but very far from the best. Had this happened when the Dems still had their Senate majority I'd be a LOT more suspicious. Or even just a few months ago when there was still more than a year to the election and it would have been a lot harder for the Reps to argue to wait until the new POTUS was sworn in.
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The NRA just published an article about our superannuated justices. (Or "justices.")
http://www.americas1stfreedom.org/articles/2016/1/27/hellers-vultures/
According to the article, Ginsberg is 83, Kennedy is 79, and Breyer is 76. So there may be some (slim) hope that a Republican president might repair the damage done by whomever the O selects. Though I could also imagine all three of those stepping down, if a Republican is elected, allowing a lame duck Obama to nominate their replacements. The Left doesn't play around anymore.
I would think that no one would step down after the elections. The court comes out of recess the first Monday of October, best hope is that the court doesn't take on any cases while there is an open seat(s) on the bench.
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Who even says it has to be nine justices? Forget approving whoever Obama wants or not, as I recall congress is well within it's rights to hold the number wherever it wants and tell POTUS to FOAD.
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Who even says it has to be nine justices? Forget approving whoever Obama wants or not, as I recall congress is well within it's rights to hold the number wherever it wants and tell POTUS to FOAD.
Sort of. The President can actually put as many justices as he likes on the Supreme court. FDR threatened to do exactly that. Of course congress has to approve them.
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Sort of. The President can actually put as many justices as he likes on the Supreme court. FDR threatened to do exactly that. Of course congress has to approve them.
This is not my understanding, and the number set to nine was part of the Judiciary Act of 1869, and FDR's plan failed because congress wouldn't change it.
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I thought FDR was upset the SC was throwing out some of his socialist New Deal laws. He had a majority in Congress.
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This is not my understanding, and the number set to nine was part of the Judiciary Act of 1869, and FDR's plan failed because congress wouldn't change it.
I bow to your superior understanding. :old:
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I thought FDR was upset the SC was throwing out some of his socialist New Deal laws. He had a majority in Congress.
The first part of that is how I was learnt. Then the court caved. I've long wondered if America didn't actually die the day the SCOTUS caved in.
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The first part of that is how I was learnt. Then the court caved. I've long wondered if America didn't actually die the day the SCOTUS caved in.
Wickard v Filburn. The Commerce Clause can mean anything, and the rest of the Constitution, nothing.
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A list of Scalia's more memorable quotes:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/02/15/get-over-it-justice-scalias-most-memorable-quotes.html?intcmp=hpbt1