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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Antibubba on October 16, 2009, 07:55:53 PM
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This "New Stuff" list is a bit different than any other we have ever published. What we have to offer you today are literally UNISSUED Brazilian Model 1935 contract Mauser rifles in PERFECT condition, all-matching numbers with matching numbered bayonet (with scabbard, also in new condition). These were made by Mauser, Oberndorf in 1937 and (unbelievably) not touched since.
The wood is as pristine as possible (may have a minor ding or scratch, but likely will not). All metal that should be blued is 100% deep glossy dark bluing, the metal that is not blued (such as the bolt and fittings) are a brilliant silver without any stains.
These rifles have NOT been refinished or have had anything done to them since they were made 72 years ago in 1937. The bores are all absolutely PERFECT, and the old-world workmanship that created these are something to behold. Nearly every tiny part on each rifle is serial-numbered and all serial numbers match (including the bayonet).
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Since these are all in the exact same condition, only one photo is provided. The only thing missing is the detachable rear sling-swivel and sling (available from SARCO if you simply must have one). The leather slings themselves deteriorated and were discarded years ago.
Pricing on these is as follows:
$1650 POSTPAID with a 100% moneyback guaranteee (including return shipping for 30 days) if not completely thrilled.
We have a few with the original 1937-dated Mauser test-target (numbered to the rifle, of course) for $2,000 POSTPAID (same moneyback guarantee).
We also have two consecutively- numbered rifles with test-targets (including the one we photographed) for sale for $4,000 POSTPAID.
I have seen and owned many rifles in my day, and these are without a doubt the most BEAUTIFUL Mauser rifles I have ever seen for sale ANYWHERE at any price!
Oh, and by the way, they are NOT import-marked( !)
Yeah . . . I know. . . it's a bunch of money in this economy, but this will be the most beautiful rifle any of you will ever get a chance to own unless you literally invent a time-machine.
Limit ONE per customer (unless buying the consecutive pair).
Dennis & Desiree Kroh, owners
EMPIRE ARMS
I've never been interested in a safe queen before. No money, alas.
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:O
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AAARRRGGGHHH!!!
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Pretty. Not really my thing, but still cool.
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Ok...
I'm gonna be over in the corner pouting now..
WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Meh.
I'm gonna buy it then give it a good soak in cosmo after I engrave my initials on the buttstock with an old steak knife. I wonder if TAPCO sells a drilling/ tapping set so I can mount an NCStar holosight on it later...
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I can't find this on their site. Is this an old sale or are they already sold?
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Meh.
I'm gonna buy it then give it a good soak in cosmo after I engrave my initials on the buttstock with an old steak knife. I wonder if TAPCO sells a drilling/ tapping set so I can mount an NCStar holosight on it later...
Ok. The rest of you pin him down, I'll go get the oil boiling!!!!!!!!
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Oh jeez, I wish I had the money... :O
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>Ok. The rest of you pin him down, I'll go get the oil boiling!!!!!!!!<
You REALLY think he's worth oil?
I was figuring on doing to him what he was suggesting be done with that rifle...
Dionysusigma, you're a very sick man. You need help... :P
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Forget the oil.....I say we spray-paint him pink and gold and auction him off on Gunbroker.... =D
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Where is your God now?
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Where is your God now?
Hopefully, not in the U.S., because if that Noisy Magnet was converted into an SBR sans paperwork here, He'd find you hanging out the Federal Gray Bar Hotel...
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Hopefully, not in the U.S., because if that Noisy Magnet was converted into an SBR sans paperwork here, He'd find you hanging out the Federal Gray Bar Hotel...
I know some people sbr Moistens legally here.
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I've seen youtube video of that SBR'ed Moistened Napkin, or one tricked out extremely close to it. Hilarious weapon, only to be trumped in non-utility by an SBR'ed and Tapco'ed H&R handi-rifle.
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Some people should not be allowed to own a Midway USA catalog.... ;/
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$1650 POSTPAID with a 100% moneyback guaranteee (including return shipping for 30 days) if not completely thrilled.
We have a few with the original 1937-dated Mauser test-target (numbered to the rifle, of course) for $2,000 POSTPAID (same moneyback guarantee).
We also have two consecutively- numbered rifles with test-targets (including the one we photographed) for sale for $4,000 POSTPAID.
Yeesh. Very nice rifles, but I wouldn't pay that much for them, especially considering that one could have bought a Persian 98/29 with a matching bayonet (and one hell of a bayonet it is!) and test target a few years abck in the same condition for about $400- Almost identical rifle though made at BRNO.
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Condition looks very nice, but IMHO, $1650 is WAY too much to pay for a South American military Mauser.
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Yes, but for a museum-quality, never issued, never used Mauser? If I had the money, I'd buy one, and a glass case to show it in. I love old military guns!
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Yeesh. Very nice rifles, but I wouldn't pay that much for them, especially considering that one could have bought a Persian 98/29 with a matching bayonet (and one hell of a bayonet it is!) and test target a few years abck in the same condition for about $400- Almost identical rifle though made at BRNO.
That's a good point. How much does a new production Mauser action cost?
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That's a good point. How much does a new production Mauser action cost?
Remington is charging around $400-500 for new Yugoslavian mauser rifles, they were considerably cheaper when imported by Charles Daly.
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Remington is charging around $400-500 for new Yugoslavian Mauser rifles...
Where? Can't find them on the Remington site.
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http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_798/
CZs are mauser actions too, and much higher quality IMHO.
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It's the Remington Model 798.
An imported new-manufacture 98 Mauser action installed into a domestic (Rutland Plywood) laminate stock and sold as a Remington model.
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Yes, but for a museum-quality, never issued, never used Mauser? If I had the money, I'd buy one, and a glass case to show it in. I love old military guns!
see, i don't get that so much. I would rather have one that was issued with scratches and dings from being in the feild. Now thats history.
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http://www.samcoglobal.com/98-29.html
Persians are still available. The one I got was a VG condition, had some stock wear where it was gripped around the forearm and wrist of the stock, bore looked like it had very few rounds put through it. The blueing int he bolt raceway and other areas where it would normally wear off with use was shiny and new looking.
I also have a Husqvarna M38 mauser that looks like it just left the arsenal when I bought it.
I owned an unissued Yugoslavian M48 mauser and still have an unissued Yugo SKS.
None of the above rifles I paid more than $400 for, though the Husky is possibly worth nearly twice that as it was made in a very rare year.
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see, i don't get that so much. I would rather have one that was issued with scratches and dings from being in the feild. Now thats history.
Yup.
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See, I don't get that so much. I would rather have one that was issued with scratches and dings from being in the field. Now that's history.
But this time, you get to dent and ding it up yourself, and know where they all came from! =D
Reminds me of a Mosin M44 I saw in a pawn shop a long while back (marked at $200 :rolleyes: ) that had distinctly had a bite mark on the heel side of the butt. As in, both sides, not deep, but definitely there (and missing the left-top canine). :O
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There was a nice Arisaka at the local Cabelas a few years ago that was in really nice shape except a bullet scar along the left hand side of the stock (it looked a bit like a worm chewed straight through some of the foreend) along with heavy pitting of the receiver and bolt on that side as well. To some this is some sort of bonus, I simply didn't have the stomach to buy something with this kind of 'history.'
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see, i don't get that so much. I would rather have one that was issued with scratches and dings from being in the feild. Now thats history.
If I got one that was scratched and dinged but otherwise sound, and not some rare collectable variation, I'd be inclined to make a custom rifle out of it . . . for me, military-pattern bolt actions are less fun to shoot regularly than a good (note, I said good) sporter configuraton rifle, and a genuine M98 action makes a good starting point for a custom gun.
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Oh, boy.
Hank Bubba'ed the thread. =|
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Oh, boy.
Hank Bubba'ed the thread. =|
I Bubba'ed it?
(I guess you missed Micro's pictures . . . )
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If I got one that was scratched and dinged but otherwise sound, and not some rare collectable variation, I'd be inclined to make a custom rifle out of it . . . for me, military-pattern bolt actions are less fun to shoot regularly than a good (note, I said good) sporter configuraton rifle, and a genuine M98 action makes a good starting point for a custom gun.
Unless had real cheap, why? If you got the mauser the OP linked to, you'd need to have the bolt bent, drill for scope mount (assuming you'd want that), get a stock, rebarrel, etc. Might as well get a used Winchester CRF, CZ, etc and use that as a starting point with most of your work done. You can find a used Winchester CRF in usable condition for as little as $400ish, especially after deer season is over. I bet even a cheap mauser action will cost you that much after you bend the bolt and drill scope rail mounting holes.
I tried this route once. Years ago, I was given a VERY rough mauser in 30-06 and was going to build a sporter with it. The cost to drill scope mounts alone was over $100. A usable (not pretty) stock was another $100+. That's $200 without even bending the bolt, doing trigger work, replacing the safety, rebarreling/rechambering (donor had the old stepped barrel), or refinishing. About the same time, I passed on a nice Winchester 338WinMag for $350 (dammit!!!!). A buddy bought that rifle, it turned out to be a tackdriver (double dammit!!!!).
Chris
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Unless had real cheap, why? If you got the mauser the OP linked to, you'd need to have the bolt bent, drill for scope mount (assuming you'd want that), get a stock, rebarrel, etc. Might as well get a used Winchester CRF, CZ, etc and use that as a starting point with most of your work done. You can find a used Winchester CRF in usable condition for as little as $400ish, especially after deer season is over. I bet even a cheap mauser action will cost you that much after you bend the bolt and drill scope rail mounting holes.
I tried this route once. Years ago, I was given a VERY rough mauser in 30-06 and was going to build a sporter with it. The cost to drill scope mounts alone was over $100. A usable (not pretty) stock was another $100+. That's $200 without even bending the bolt, doing trigger work, replacing the safety, rebarreling/rechambering (donor had the old stepped barrel), or refinishing. About the same time, I passed on a nice Winchester 338WinMag for $350 (dammit!!!!). A buddy bought that rifle, it turned out to be a tackdriver (double dammit!!!!).
I plan to do something like that in the distant future. I have a M38 turk with a barrel beyond shot out (there is litterally rifling missing from parts of the bore!) and a 'new' Swedish M96 barrel just waiting to be mated up. The total cost for the barrel and the donor action was just over $100.
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Yes, I've seen MB's hacked Noisy Magnet. I refrained from comment.
I've done both.
I've rebuilt milsurps that were just too far gone for me to restore back to military condition, making them into precision and sporting rifles, the latter along the lines of R.F. Sedgley and the lovely commercial sporting Mausers as delivered from Oberndorf. They aren't worth anything near what a pristine Mauser or Springfield would bring, but they have their place in my collection.
I've also restored milsurps that Bubba hacksawed and Dremeled into abominations, but the bolt and receiver were still unmolested, giving me something to work with. My 1903A4 came to me as a hacked "deer rifle", albeit with 18" barrel and crudely hacksawed stock. I thought about passing on the project, until I saw the offset "Z"-prefix serial on the receiver. That warranted my efforts, right there. Truthfully, I've done more Bubba restoration jobs than the other way around, by a large margin.
40-50 years ago when you could get Springfields, Mausers, Enfields, and Krags for a dime a dozen, nobody gave second thought into cutting them up. You could get a darned nice hunting or target rifle for less than a comparable Remchester. Fast-forward to the present, and it's a different story in both availability and cost of conversion. Granted, it's your gun and your Dremel tool, so it's entirely one's prerogative to "modify" such pieces as they see fit. It goes back to the old, "It's your soap and washcloth, you can wash as hard and fast as you want to" analogy. ;)
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. . . 40-50 years ago when you could get Springfields, Mausers, Enfields, and Krags for a dime a dozen, nobody gave second thought into cutting them up. You could get a darned nice hunting or target rifle for less than a comparable Remchester.
SOME conversions were very nicely done, as good or better than the purpose-built sporters that came out of Oberndorf. Others, as you mentioned, were done with hacksaw and Dremel. (By enraged drunken monkeys?) Most fell somewhere in between - serviceable, but nothing special.
Unless had real cheap, why?
Good point - with even well-worn M98 milsurps usually fetching prices of $300 - $400 or more, there's a good reason I haven't built myself a bolt action sporter from a milsurp.
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I'm not busting your chops, just playing both sides of the house here, Hank.
I've got a safe drawer full of derelict 98 Mauser actions which I accumulated over the last 25 years or so. I've got a Siamese Mauser action with new barrel and Bishop stock that's well on its way to becoming a .45-70 Cape Buffalo thumper. I've got an Egyptian Rolling Block that's enroute to becoming a .40-65 Creedmoor.
Then there are the restoration projects in various stages of completion, including an 1896 U.S. Krag. =D
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No offense taken.
Just wanted to make the point that if one has a common milsurp with no particular collector value, and it's 'way short of pristine condition, there's nothing wrong with using it as the basis for something better.
Heck, I've got a couple of CMP M1 Garands, and I'm thinking seriously of sending one to DGR . . . but the rifles are typical mixmasters, not worth (IMHO) the effort and expense of making them "correct."
On the other hand, I've got a nice 6.5mm Jap Arisaka my father brought home from WWII, but that's going to stay in the condition he brought it home in. Means more to me that way.
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A couple of years ago I restored a Swedish 94/14 carbine to as near original condition as I could. The project cost me nearly as much as an unbutchered 94/14 would have cost at the time and will never be worth as much as an unmolested example due to all the original parts being serial numbered to the receiver. I had to finad a new nosecap/bayonet lug ($120), rear stock band ($60), stock springs and screws ($25), and a new handguard ($15) Its neat to have though and fun to shoot.
At the time a 94/14 ran rthe range of $400-750, with M94s (lacking bayonet lug) going for well over $1000. They got to be this expensive because most of them that were imported were hacked apart or sporterized.
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I usually prefer beaters. There's just something about this one perfect example that got me going.
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The trouble with sporters is that there are entirely too many people out there that grossly overestimate their skill and/or lack a clue. Every so often I see things that make me want to just slap their creator. Like the 1895 dated M91 Mosin that was stripped of sights, cut to 16 inches, put into a plastic stock and topped with that ridiculous bolt handle and scope mount that ATI made. The best part was, he wanted $700 for it.
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Yup.
wow, i've been away and i missed this. did fistful and i actually agree on something? :O
*chuckle*
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(posted in the wrong thread) :facepalm:
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Zombie! Zombie!
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Dolores O'Riordan?
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Is hot. That is all.