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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: wacki on October 29, 2008, 11:59:32 PM
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Obama is planning on spending $500 billion on a civilian army.
“We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set,” he said Wednesday. “We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.”
Maybe this is why:
Posse Comitatus Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
Thoughts?
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Don't worry, it's only to help old ladies across the street.
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Gee, the Boy Scouts didn't have M4's when I was a member. :(
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Wow...a massive, paramilitary-style federal LEO agency under a Democratic President.....that certainly makes all of us living near Waco feel safer.....
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Red Guards. :mad:
For the utopia that Socialism brings, it sure does take a lot of violence. =D
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Obama is planning on spending $500 billion on a civilian army.
Maybe this is why:
Posse Comitatus Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
Thoughts?
Okay you're going to have to provide something to back up that statement.
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I am surprised he said that again. Anyone have a link to a transcript?
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I've read in a few places that he's made statements to this effect, and even saw one badly made video in which it sounds like he said something about a civilian guard. IN the video, though, you could barely hear the voice over crowd noise and static, and conveniently, his head turned so you could not see his face.
Anyone got a source for this? A good, reliable source, though those seem to be getting harder and harder to find... =(
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So now I need to start worriing about the third ammendment too? Great, just great.
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The actual quote was odd in context, and means something completely different out of context.
The speech it occurred in was entirely about public service, and the quote suggested a large-scale Peace Corp, soup-kitchen, Habitat For Humanity kind of "army". Apparently the idea was to, just like the Army can drop a brigade anywhere in short order to promptly beat a government & military into submission, have a similar group that can drop in anywhere and [re]build infrastructure & social support in short order. (Some merit: in Iraq, we completed the first government-toppling process in mere days, but the subsequent years were largely due to an inability to restore order & infrastructure quickly.)
Bizzarely, the actual paragraph in question was NOT in his prepared text. No word on whether it was on the teleprompter or not. It sounds very different from the rest of the prepared text, only shows up in some transcripts, and is obviously very strangely worded given the context.
Other obvious problems aside, it shows BHO is not insightful enough to know how some phrases will come across as "loaded" to a great many people. He may have meant a big domestic charity, but it came across as US Ghestapo.
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The quote I think the OP was talking about is this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHmecy94z-M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHmecy94z-M)
...in which Obama states, "...We've gotta have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded [as the military]."
It was the subject of a recent topic here posted in Politics by the member Physics.
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=15129.0 (http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=15129.0)
The youtube video linked above doesn't provide a lot of context for the statement, I admit, but you can see his face and hear him well.
I'm not sure what speech he was in the middle of in the video.
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The actual quote was odd in context, and means something completely different out of context.
The speech it occurred in was entirely about public service, and the quote suggested a large-scale Peace Corp, soup-kitchen, Habitat For Humanity kind of "army". Apparently the idea was to, just like the Army can drop a brigade anywhere in short order to promptly beat a government & military into submission, have a similar group that can drop in anywhere and [re]build infrastructure & social support in short order. (Some merit: in Iraq, we completed the first government-toppling process in mere days, but the subsequent years were largely due to an inability to restore order & infrastructure quickly.)
Bizzarely, the actual paragraph in question was NOT in his prepared text. No word on whether it was on the teleprompter or not. It sounds very different from the rest of the prepared text, only shows up in some transcripts, and is obviously very strangely worded given the context.
Other obvious problems aside, it shows BHO is not insightful enough to know how some phrases will come across as "loaded" to a great many people. He may have meant a big domestic charity, but it came across as US Ghestapo.
Well, "National Security Force" does not mean the same thing as "National Peace Corps" at all. Plus, in order to do what you mention in your example about Iraq, it would need to be mostly military types and be essentially an occupation force. There is no other way to do it. You can't just drop a large support organization into an area without a lot of protection not to mention fighting guerrillas. Think about all the contract security in Iraq and that is what you would end up with. You might as well just add a Humanitarian Aide branch of the military, but we already have that.
Now if you are talking about a domestic National Peace Corps, whatever would those people do? Would it replace FEMA? Would it be some giant public works organization? Would it be something more serious?
You explanation doesn't help much. :)
Not to mention the idea that someone like Obama would likely expect the military to gut its funding in order to "pay" for this.
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I'm not sure what speech he was in the middle of in the video.
I am, I read the transcripts & heard the speech when the flap started, and the whole point was public service, not military service.
You explanation doesn't help much.
No it doesn't, because the quote is indeed kind of strange in-context. AFAIK, he just improvised it when delivering the prepared statements, and it sounded like he did. Given the context, he clearly wasn't talking about anything militaristic, yet the very words he used sound exactly that way.
Just another example of how unready he is to be President. We can't have a prez who so easily says such strange things that can instantly destabilize domestic and foreign affairs.
Trust me, I'm not trying to justify or promote what he said - I'm just concerned that there's a lot of emotional energy & misunderstanding about something discussed wildly out of context and badly misinterpreted. ...then again, if he really meant what those words indicate, we're in for Chinese-curse-type interesting times...
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I think what this really means is that as he gets closer to his "destiny," he is letting more of his true self out. Civilian security forces (possibly with a cabinet position head), redistribution of wealth, etc., are all part of his core ideology, formed from years of being a closet and not so closet Marxist.
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Just another example of how unready he is to be President. We can't have a prez who so easily says such strange things that can instantly destabilize domestic and foreign affairs.
Babblin' Biden the Gaffe-Master sure won't help much.
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Don't we already have something called VISTA ???
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He needs a massive well funded military machine inside the US so that gun confiscations can go forward after the proper laws are crafted and passed. He really needs to rethink this objective.
Sounds like Nazi Germany pre-WWII.
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Okay you're going to have to provide something to back up that statement.
what the 500 billion? there are plenty of videos of him talking about it. Apparently he mentioned it last night as well:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31747_Obamas_Civilian_National_Security_Force
Can't seem to find my favorite video right now... :-(
As for the reasons? I have know clue. The wikipedia article was simply a hypothesis.
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Dear God, please spare us!
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what the 500 billion? there are plenty of videos of him talking about it. Apparently he mentioned it last night as well:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31747_Obamas_Civilian_National_Security_Force
Can't seem to find my favorite video right now... :-(
As for the reasons? I have know clue. The wikipedia article was simply a hypothesis.
Okay, I'm just as paranoid as the next guy, but I see nothing in there about compulsory service, nor about brownshirts with armbands coming through neighborhoods making us wear (R)'s on our shirts. Just about people working off the government dole while the rich get taxed into the Caribbean.
This shits almost as weak as the whole birth certificate flap.
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Okay, I'm just as paranoid as the next guy, but I see nothing in there about compulsory service, nor about brownshirts with armbands coming through neighborhoods making us wear (R)'s on our shirts. Just about people working off the government dole while the rich get taxed into the Caribbean.
This shits almost as weak as the whole birth certificate flap.
I didn't say it definitely would be. That being said do you think Obama would actually come out and say what you are looking for? Obama always seems to attack things from the side while disarming the public with his words. Look at his past attempts to destroy the second amendment. He claims he supports our traditions while refusing to sign the pro-Heller amicus brief, bribes law reviews to write cover to cover anti-2A journals and funds shame science that gets published in prestigious medical journals. Oh and he votes to bans cop-killer pistol bullets and by cop killer pistol bullets I mean the ".30-30" the ".223" and the "7.62". Yup, he sure supports our "traditions".
I know I'm being paranoid and I was being somewhat facetious when I posted this thread. I just find it curious that he compares this "security force" to the military in so many ways. His analogies and comparisons are sending up red flags in my mind. In the end I doubt it will amount to much. Then again I doubted Obama would get this far. So my ability to predict the future is not to be relied upon. I generally prepare for the worst but hope for the best.
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I didn't say it definitely would be. That being said do you think Obama would actually come out and say what you are looking for? Obama always seems to attack things from the side while disarming the public with his words. Look at his past attempts to destroy the second amendment. He claims he supports our traditions while refusing to sign the pro-Heller amicus brief, bribes law reviews to write cover to cover anti-2A journals and funds shame science that gets published in prestigious medical journals. Oh and he votes to bans cop-killer pistol bullets and by cop killer pistol bullets I mean the ".30-30" the ".223" and the "7.62". Yup, he sure supports our "traditions".
I know I'm being paranoid and I was being somewhat facetious when I posted this thread. I just find it curious that he compares this "security force" to the military in so many ways. His analogies and comparisons are sending up red flags in my mind. In the end I doubt it will amount to much. Then again I doubted Obama would get this far. So my ability to predict the future is not to be relied upon. I generally prepare for the worst but hope for the best.
We know the ammo ban was suggested by Democrats, but you really need to learn to provide citations.
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Maybe we need them to guard our border to the north...
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We know the ammo ban was suggested by Democrats, but you really need to learn to provide citations.
I thought everyone knew about the .30-30 ban:
read this on the ban:
http://obamagun.blogspot.com/2008/08/ban-rifle-ammunition-commonly-used-for.html
and read this article about law review bribes:
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-attempt-to-destroy-the-second-amendment/
gov of missouri saying obama abuses law enforcement:
http://governor.mo.gov/cgi-bin/coranto/viewnews.cgi?id=EkkkVFulkpOzXqGMaj
“St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch, St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer, and Obama and the leader of his Missouri campaign Senator Claire McCaskill have attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign.
“What Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment.
“This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson’s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights.
If you want more let me know. But Obama is pretty ruthless and these two articles are just the tip of the iceberg. I honestly thought all of this was common knowledge here.
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Okay, I'm just as paranoid as the next guy, but I see nothing in there about compulsory service, nor about brownshirts with armbands coming through neighborhoods making us wear (R)'s on our shirts. Just about people working off the government dole while the rich get taxed into the Caribbean.
This shits almost as weak as the whole birth certificate flap.
I guess my concern is that he said it was a "security force". Those two words do not mean Peace Corps or Work Fare. If that is what he really means then he is a complete idiot who made a huge gaffe. Comparing it to the military's strength and funding only back that up. The idea of any sizable military force outside the regular armed forces is troubling to me.
I agree that this could amount to nothing, but it surprises me that no one in the media seems to want to ask him what he meant.
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I agree that this could amount to nothing, but it surprises me that no one in the media seems to want to ask him what he meant.
Does it really?
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I see nothing in there about compulsory service
Oh, they've learned. It won't be compulsary, you just won't be able to participate in normal society without it - just like Social Security (I don't have to get my baby daughter one, but then she won't be a tax deduction (costing me an extra $60,000 over 20 years), won't be able to get a normal job, can't get a bank account or investment, and will be hassled every time anything asks for an SSN). Starting gradually, a little "voluntary" service nets a few thousand $$$ in free college tuition ... becomes an expected part of any CV ... required for any federal benefits/services ... society shuns those who haven't ... get the point? Kinda like Canada's health care: you can get privately-paid care, but that terminates ANY involvement in the federal health system, both for you and the doctor.
Leftists have learned to work it as "yeah it's a free country, you're free to do it our way or be shunned totally".
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The Purpose of Obama's Massive Civilian Army.....
1) To go house-to-house and confiscate the guns. Unbelievers who resist will get SWAT-like teams turned loose on them and "made" to comply.
2) Re-education camp guards.
3) Thought Crime Police.
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Does it really?
:laugh: Perhaps not. But if he did mean something else, I might expect some softball question to clarify or some staffer explanation.
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Maybe the reporter from the Miami paper could ask Obama a pointed question about his para-military force he plans inside the US?
His reponse.... to quote Joe Biden.... "you can't be serious."
The whole thing disgusts me
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Maybe the reporter from the Miami paper could ask Obama a pointed question about his para-military force he plans inside the US?
His reponse.... to quote Joe Biden.... "you can't be serious."
The whole thing disgusts me
The reporter would be investigated.
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His scam has already begun, in the form of ACORN..PETA..BRADY CAMP..AHSA and so on.
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Starting gradually, a little "voluntary" service nets a few thousand $$$ in free college tuition
He said something very close to those lines this morning. Work at a homeless shelter, .mil veteran, etc - you get college cash.
Maybe I should look into joining the Peace Corps. Or the Black Panthers. =D
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The creation of a U.S. Gestapo isn't going to happen overnight.
There will time to react, protest, and resist--if we want to.
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Of course, I HAVE seen the "civilian security" he's been associated with.
They're the big scowling guys in black suits and bowties who accompany Jackson and Sharpton, and kick the #$%^ out of any reporter that gets too close.
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