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Is it possible for Tea Party to survive a Republican Landslide?...
« on: September 13, 2010, 11:42:25 PM »
[... provided, said Landslide will take place in less than a couple months]

I would like to hear not just from the folks who consider themselves good political analists/long term prognosists (based on the prior guesses).

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Re: Is it possible for Tea Party to survive a Republican Landslide?...
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2010, 11:47:56 PM »
If the Stupid Party actually listens to the Tea Parties for about 4 years, they can subsume its current momentum and use it to their advantage.

If the Stupid Party subverts the will of the Tea Parties, watch for a new official "Tea" Party to emerge and run against Dems and Repubs as a separate party.
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Re: Is it possible for Tea Party to survive a Republican Landslide?...
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2010, 11:57:53 PM »
No.  There are not enough actual Constitutional candidate running for them to actually do a good job in office.  Once they get elected, and fail, the Dems will use them as an example of why the Tea Party was a lost cause from the start.  Support will evaporate.

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Re: Is it possible for Tea Party to survive a Republican Landslide?...
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2010, 12:04:02 AM »
Third parties or movements can affect the platforms of the two major parties, even if the third parties don't themselves seem strong. When the shouting of those in the third parties gets loud enough, they get attention. In the case of the Tea Party movement, Republican candidates are tripping over each other to pander to them.

If the Republicans do enough right to satisfy most in the TP movement, there won't be a need for them to field their own candidates.

On the other hand, if the Republicans return to business as usual, it's possible that the Tea Party movement could die out due to disillusionment. Many, if not most, of the people in the TP movement are active for the first time politically, and so haven't been through the wringer. A couple of kicks to the head may be all that's needed to cause people to lose hope.

I know that sounds cynical, but it's the game the Republicans played with gun rights supporters in Wisconsin for years. They'd throw a bone once in a while and actually deliver on a promise. Then they'd use the carrot again to get the gun rights people to give money and time, only to fail to deliver in the next session. "We tried our hardest," they'd say, when in fact they intentionally failed. If they delivered on every promise, there wouldn't be enough carrots left.

Those kinds of games burn out newcomers fast, but the politicians know there's more newcomers to be had. With a movement as large as the Tea Party, there may not be a sufficiently large supply of new idealists should the current crop be screwed by the Republicans.

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Re: Is it possible for Tea Party to survive a Republican Landslide?...
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2010, 12:22:56 AM »
The "Tea Party," by whatever name, will survive.  What is in doubt is whether the Republican Party will survive.  This election is not about the Republicans, it's about resisting consolidated power regardless of party label.  Demographic reality militates against the longevity of the Republic Party, and that is to no small degree their own fault.
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Re: Is it possible for Tea Party to survive a Republican Landslide?...
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2010, 01:38:43 AM »
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What is in doubt is whether the Republican Party will survive.

If I were a betting man, I'd wager a few thousand that the Republican party will be here long after the Tea Party movement is gone.

Don't get me wrong, I like the fact that people are angry and want the outrageous spending and the slide to European-style socialism to stop. It's just that it's taken over a century for the two parties to evolve into the behemoths they are now. The Libertarian party has been trying to become a player for decades and still manages only small and scattered wins.

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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2010, 05:48:18 AM »
About the only way the TEA Party is going to make a big impact is to push a third-party candidate to a win over the Big-Party candidates...that will show both how much clout the TEA Party really has....and I'd love for that to happen in the Texas governor's race....

Right now, thanks to MSM and GOP interference, there are two TEA Parties....the original grass-roots movement that gets little press....and the GOP showboat events that host Palin, Gingrich, and the other GOP weasels that want to steer those uppity conservatives back into toeing the statist line....
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Re: Is it possible for Tea Party to survive a Republican Landslide?...
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2010, 06:44:10 AM »
Is the Tea in Tea Party an acronym?

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« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2010, 07:10:47 AM »
Some people use it as a backronym for Taxed Enough Already, but as far as I know, the name was originally just a reference to the more literal Tea Party of 1773. 
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Re: Is it possible for Tea Party to survive a Republican Landslide?...
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2010, 09:11:00 AM »
A few well-entrenched GOP candidates have fallen to Tea Party candidates in primaries - that's where they're vulnerable. If the GOP patricians - who seem to think they & their cronies are entitled to office - try to marginalize Tea Party candidates after they win the nomination, or shove them to the side after they win office, they'll see the Tea Party targeting more GOP incumbents; Bob Bennett (UT) and Lisa Murkowski (AK) won't be the only ones who find themselves on the sidelines. (Watch to see what happens to Rep. Mike Castle (DE) today - this RINO cap-and-tax supporter may be dumped.)

If the GOP wins the house in November - as seems likely today - the Tea Party may be the only force to keep The Stupid Party honest, and keep them from governing like Democrat Lite.

Again.  (BTW, did you catch John Boehner's comments on extending part of the Bush tax cuts?   :facepalm:  )

The Libertarian party has been trying to become a player for decades and still manages only small and scattered wins.
From what I've seen, Libertarian party candidates really don't want to win elections, they just run because campaigning gives them a forum to get out their "Legalize Reefers!" message.
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Re: Is it possible for Tea Party to survive a Republican Landslide?...
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2010, 10:10:00 AM »
The Tea party backed candidate ousting Bennett in Utah says it all about the tea party's power.  In Utah, if you have an (R) next to your name and say all the right key words about family values in your tv spots, you're usually a shoe in.  Bennett was one of those who needed to be tossed out on his ass, because he is one.  To see him actually ousted? yowsers.
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Re: Is it possible for Tea Party to survive a Republican Landslide?...
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2010, 10:20:27 AM »
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BTW, did you catch John Boehner's comments on extending part of the Bush tax cuts?

Yes. Talk about surrendering before the battle begins.

I'd certainly love to see the Tea Party continue to oust Rino's. If the movement survives, I'll be happy to have been proven wrong. (Maybe I'm just more cynical lately).

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Re: Is it possible for Tea Party to survive a Republican Landslide?...
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2010, 10:34:35 AM »
Is the Tea in Tea Party an acronym?

Yes.

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Re: Is it possible for Tea Party to survive a Republican Landslide?...
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2010, 11:32:28 AM »
Yes. Talk about surrendering before the battle begins.

I'd certainly love to see the Tea Party continue to oust Rino's. If the movement survives, I'll be happy to have been proven wrong. (Maybe I'm just more cynical lately).
I heard he almost immediately started backing off that statement.  The comment I heard on the radio was he had some bad pollsters on about trying to keep from giving democrats ammunition to attack him for being obstructionist or some such nonsense.  It was stupid.
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« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2010, 11:39:46 AM »
About the only way the TEA Party is going to make a big impact is to push a third-party candidate to a win over the Big-Party candidates...that will show both how much clout the TEA Party really has....and I'd love for that to happen in the Texas governor's race....

Right now, thanks to MSM and GOP interference, there are two TEA Parties....the original grass-roots movement that gets little press....and the GOP showboat events that host Palin, Gingrich, and the other GOP weasels that want to steer those uppity conservatives back into toeing the statist line....
I don't think any 3rd party has a chance right now with or without Tea Party support.

I think the biggest strength of the Tea Party as mentioned above is for them to support GOP or even Democrat candidates that support Tea Party values.  You don't need a majority to do that, you just need to throw a voter swing in favor of your "good" candidates.  If you can get a 5% or 10% vote swing, that is all you need to really impact party primaries and elections. 

The problem is that 1/4 to 1/3 of voters stick with Republicans full time and the same number stick with Democrats.  Any 3rd Party would have to get every single independent and still need to poach some dedicated party supporters to win.  The major parties only have to get that extra 10% or 15% of the vote to win.  One or both of the major parties would have to really really self destruct to make room for a viable 3rd party. 
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Re: Is it possible for Tea Party to survive a Republican Landslide?...
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2010, 12:04:40 PM »
>Is the Tea in Tea Party an acronym?<

No, I always assumed it more more of an Earle Gray...

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Re: Is it possible for Tea Party to survive a Republican Landslide?...
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2010, 05:11:57 PM »
By most measures we here in flyover country will be treated to a long anticipated political bloodletting.  TEA parties which were instrumental in creating the event will link arms and assault capitol hill . . . . . . only to be met by a phalanx of establishment republicans in leadership positions, AKA "Rino's".  And that is when the real fight will begin.  Establishment republicans will wage their traditional fight over control of money and power.  TEA parties will fight over more philosophical issues and try to politely explain that they were not sent to DC to simply be 45 MPH democrats.  The job as they see it is to fix the problem.  Rest assuredly this dynamic will ensure constant internecine warfare. 

Meanwhile democrats will conduct an effective insurgency designed to paint republicans (RINOS and TEA members) as <insert suitable descriptor>.  Republican leadership will certainly earn its pay over the next few years provided it acts like leadership.  First returns (Boehner) are not hopeful.  For the first time in a long time republicans will be forced to actually conduct an honest fight.  I don't think TEA members of congress and an engaged and enraged voter base will let the leadership get away with historical patterns of behavior.  If the TEA groups gain ascendancy there will be no need for a third party.  If establishment republicans retain control the chance of a third party TEA movement will grow and more than likely lead to a couple more decades of democrat socialist control of congress.

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Re: Is it possible for Tea Party to survive a Republican Landslide?...
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2010, 06:50:52 PM »
Can the Tea Parties survive a Republican landslide?  What an peculiar question.  Why do you think it will be one or the other?

The Tea Party is nothing more than the conservative movement united under a specific banner and name.  There's no reason to think that a landslide for the Republican Party will bode ill for the Republicans' largest constituent group.  It might bode ill for some of the Republican Party's least favored politicians, the ones least representative of their constituents, but that's hardly bad for the Republican Party overall.

I can understand why certain folks (primarily on the left) would want you to believe that there's some sort of conflict or war between the Tea Party and the Republican Party, and that only one will be left standing after November.  But the people saying this stuff are doing it for their own self-serving reasons, and you shouldn't buy into their lies.  The Tea Party and the Republican Party are not mutually exclusive, they are complementary.  What benefits one will ultimately benefit the other, and vice versa.

When the landslide comes in November, it will be a landslide for both the Tea Party and for the Republican Party at the same time.  

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Re: Is it possible for Tea Party to survive a Republican Landslide?...
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2010, 07:40:49 PM »
I don't think any 3rd party has a chance right now with or without Tea Party support.


Maybe....but, if TEA Party support boots a third-party candidate from a 4-5% margin to a 20-25% margin, things could get quite interesting in regards to federal funding, debates, and future elections....
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Re: Is it possible for Tea Party to survive a Republican Landslide?...
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2010, 10:11:50 PM »
BTW, Christine O'Donnell seems to have won the Delaware primary, beating anti-gun, pro-abortion Mike Castle. <queen.Another bites the dust</queen>
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« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2010, 10:31:46 PM »
BTW, Christine O'Donnell seems to have won the Delaware primary, beating anti-gun, pro-abortion Mike Castle. <queen.Another bites the dust</queen>
The GOP "go along to get along" patricians are probably outraged that the uppity plebes aren't voting the way they're supposed to.  =D

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Re: Is it possible for Tea Party to survive a Republican Landslide?...
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2010, 10:40:44 PM »
Hank, not to be a jerk, but the Reps can't lose this seat, because they don't have it now.  This primary is for a special election to replace our beloved Vice President, Joseph Biden, who graciously gave up his Senate seat to serve.
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« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2010, 11:45:16 PM »
All evidence indicates that Castle would have won the general.  If Odonnell loses, that's one Senate seat we lost.

I'm no fan of Castle, but I hope his defeat today isn't a reason I wake the morning of Nov 3 to the sound of Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer.

We took a gamble today with Odonnell.  Now we have to work like hell to make sure it pays off.

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Re: Is it possible for Tea Party to survive a Republican Landslide?...
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The Tea Party is nothing more than the conservative movement united under a specific banner and name.  There's no reason to think that a landslide for the Republican Party will bode ill for the Republicans' largest constituent group.  It might bode ill for some of the Republican Party's least favored politicians, the ones least representative of their constituents, but that's hardly bad for the Republican Party overall.

Would you not agree that the conservative movement is actually a coalition of disparate movements? There seems to be a genuine difference of opinion and background between, say, Charles Krauthammer and Jim DeMint.
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