Maxine Waters Calls For Harassment of All Trump Personnel

[Ben]

Maxine Waters is calling for the public (AKA "the mob") to harass all Trump Administration personnel. This happened over the weekend. I would have expected something to come up regarding some type of censure regarding this. Calls for her resignation would not be out of order. Yet I have heard of no steps (other than griping and "condemnation") from any of her colleagues in congress.

This is the kind of thing that will lead to another Scalise type shooting. If someone on Trump's staff ends up getting killed, bringing some degree of manslaughter charges against Waters would not be out of bounds, IMHO.

Again, imagine if it were the previous administration this was done to. For that matter, and I could be wrong, but I don't think there were these type of mob situations with the Tea Party were there? Lois Lerner is the only one who comes to mind being harassed in this way by conservatives.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/25/trump-officials-hounded-and-harassed-as-protester-tactics-take-turn.html

[TommyGunn]

This is getting really ugly really fast.

I'm not liking it.

[brimic]

Imagine how ugly it is in other universes where Hillary got elected.

[TommyGunn]

Imagine how ugly it is in other universes where Hillary got elected.

That's not ugly .... just depressing.

[Perd Hapley]

Remember when a Missouri state legislator hoped for a presidential assassination? Yeah, she got censured, but she's still in office.

I don't object to what Waters was calling for, actually, but "the mob" should pick better targets - pro-abortion legislators, for example.

Shaming and shunning are non-coercive. They're not big-government solutions. It's the market at work.

[dogmush]

The scene on The Mall after the Midterms:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnVnE-wOXJs

[HankB]

Not to Godwin this thread . . . but it sure seems as if Ms. Waters is calling for the same type of harassment that Hitler's brownshirts directed against the nazi party's political opponents early on, before Hitler actually became der Fuehrer.

Didn't Mussolini's Fascist goons do much the same?

[RoadKingLarry]

I fear that someday they will get the actions they are calling for. I don't think it will go the way they imagine it will.

[Ben]

Shaming and shunning are non-coercive. They're not big-government solutions. It's the market at work.

I have to disagree with this.  I guess shunning is fine. You don't have to like people with different views or even talk with them. Mobbing people and yelling at them when they are out and about on their daily business, especially when it is "off the clock" personal time, is unacceptable. How about when they're out with their kids? Is it okay to have shrieking SJWs yelling at and scaring kids too?


Plus what Waters and others are doing is fanning the flames in such a way that there will be some people who interpret this stuff as "physically attack" or "Throw rocks through house windows". Or potentially worse.

Recall we have had discussions here pretty much affirming that if, for instance, your car is surrounded by nutjobs (such as BLM riots), you can probably consider your well-being in jeopardy and use your car to defend yourself. I f we consider that type of a behavior a threat to us, it should be for politicians as well, regardless of their politics. No one should be subjected to threatening behavior that impedes their ability to do something as innocuous as going to the store for a gallon of milk.

[TommyGunn]

Remember when a Missouri state legislator hoped for a presidential assassination? Yeah, she got censured, but she's still in office.

I don't object to what Waters was calling for, actually, but "the mob" should pick better targets - pro-abortion legislators, for example.

Shaming and shunning are non-coercive. They're not big-government solutions. It's the market at work.

Wrong ....  seriously wrong.   OK, shunning is one thing, but shaming is a lousy vicious action.  As a prior poster alluded to, it is Naziesque in its design. 
And I fear a dangerous portend of the future.
Violent nonsense tends to escalate .... and this type of political  stuff especially so, In my opinion.

[makattak]

I fear that someday they will get the actions they are calling for. I don't think it will go the way they imagine it will.

They already have. And it stopped the rhetoric for about a week, right until it appeared Steve Scalise was going to pull through.

And then it was back to calling all Republicans racist* Nazi homophobic monsters.



*(Oh, sorry, its White Supremacist now, because they've turned the "RACIST" cry into a joke.)

[Ben]

Now a decapitated, burned animal has been left on the doorstep of a Homeland Security official in DC. Seems like "overzealousness" is already starting.


https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2018/06/25/completely-unhinged-look-what-was-left-on-a-homeland-security-staffers-porch/
 

[Perd Hapley]

Wrong ....  seriously wrong.   OK, shunning is one thing, but shaming is a lousy vicious action.  As a prior poster alluded to, it is Naziesque in its design. 
And I fear a dangerous portend of the future.
Violent nonsense tends to escalate .... and this type of political  stuff especially so, In my opinion.

What do you think shaming means?

As I've pointed out here before, the Patriot movement of the 1770s used tactics that included violent assault and property damage. You might keep that in mind, when making your Nazi comparisons.

[Perd Hapley]

I have to disagree with this.  I guess shunning is fine. You don't have to like people with different views or even talk with them. Mobbing people and yelling at them when they are out and about on their daily business, especially when it is "off the clock" personal time, is unacceptable. How about when they're out with their kids? Is it okay to have shrieking SJWs yelling at and scaring kids too?


Plus what Waters and others are doing is fanning the flames in such a way that there will be some people who interpret this stuff as "physically attack" or "Throw rocks through house windows". Or potentially worse.

Recall we have had discussions here pretty much affirming that if, for instance, your car is surrounded by nutjobs (such as BLM riots), you can probably consider your well-being in jeopardy and use your car to defend yourself. I f we consider that type of a behavior a threat to us, it should be for politicians as well, regardless of their politics. No one should be subjected to threatening behavior that impedes their ability to do something as innocuous as going to the store for a gallon of milk.

I didn't say, and I don't think Waters said, that children should be involved. But, the death toll from abortion in this country is in the tens of millions. How far is too far, in protesting and shaming the people in charge?

[French G.]

Maxine is nuts and IBTL.

[TommyGunn]

What do you think shaming means?

As I've pointed out here before, the Patriot movement of the 1770s used tactics that included violent assault and property damage. You might keep that in mind, when making your Nazi comparisons.

I've already heard people on talk-radio call in shows explaining exactly how they would react to such  shaming tactics.

The Colonists in the late 18th century were resisting a British tyranny.   It seems to me they employed a few more violent tactics in resisting King George .... like waging a violent war against the largest Army  in the world at the time.
Tossing a bit of tea in Boston Harbor was amateur hour by comparison.

And the violent street thugs in Germany, the fights between Communist and Socialist (and Antifasciste Aktion --yea they were there too)  also brought Das Dritte Reich and Hitler to power and thus WW2 and Europe's near destruction.  
I'd really prefer not see a repeat of either in this country.  Wars tend to be destructive.

[Perd Hapley]

I've already heard people on talk-radio call in shows explaining exactly how they would react to such shaming tactics.

What shaming tactics do you mean? What do you think shaming is?

What I'm thinking is that, ideally, public figures who promote truly egregious policies would be recognized wherever they go, and would be confronted, peacefully. They would also find that no one wants to associate with them. It is a peaceful, non-governmental means for the public to participate in public policy.

The Colonists in the late 18th century were resisting a British tyranny.   It seems to me they employed a few more violent tactics in resisting King George .... like waging a violent war against the largest Army  in the world at the time.
Tossing a bit of tea in Boston Harbor was amateur hour by comparison.

And the violent street thugs in Germany, the fights between Communist and Socialist (and Antifasciste Aktion --yea they were there too)  also brought Das Dritte Reich and Hitler to power and thus WW2 and Europe's near destruction.  
I'd really prefer not see a repeat of either in this country.  Wars tend to be destructive.

Blah, blah. The point I was making is that various forms of protest or "shaming" are not at all limited to Nazis, or other evil regimes.

[p12]

This *expletive deleted*it is not going to end well. Drudge headlines if real are looking pretty bleak.


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[Boomhauer]

Speaking of drudge if you scrolled down...California is looking to create a Ministry of Truth aka a “Fake News Advisory Group”

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2018/06/25/california-considers-fake-news-advisory-group/

They want a civil war pretty bad

[Perd Hapley]

In case anyone gets the wrong idea, I am not proposing or defending anything illegal here. If you interpret my comments in that way, then you misunderstand me.

[TommyGunn]

What shaming tactics do you mean? What do you think shaming is?

What I'm thinking is that, ideally, public figures who promote truly egregious policies would be recognized wherever they go, and would be confronted, peacefully. They would also find that no one wants to associate with them. It is a peaceful, non-governmental means for the public to participate in public policy.


Blah, blah. The point I was making is that various forms of protest or "shaming" are not at all limited to Nazis, or other evil regimes.

Yea blah blah.  I was trying to make a point.  If I knew you already had one on the top of your head,  I would   saved my effort. 
Yea ----SNARK!   But if you don't get how things like what we're discussing can lead to violence then it's well deserved.   
Just what "public policies"  do you really believe justify the kind of idiot virtue signaling that the owner of the Red Hen Restaurant brought to bear against Sarah Huckabee?   
Do you really think Maxine Waters' diatribes urging protests against govt. employees can't lead to violence?
That's  a lot more than "shaming"  in my humble opinion -- which is crass and disgusting enough as it is.

I'd like to know what egregious policies you believe are in force by the government now.   Sure, the policy of separating parents and children was wrong,  but it's been reversed.   The people whining loudest about it were silent when Obama actually separated far more families than the Trump Administration did,  thus exposing the great hypocrisy behind this.

As for participating in public policy,  we call that VOTING.  You are also free to send letters to your senators and representatives,  and some actually stoop to public forums .... especially as elections draw near.
And one can also run for office oneself.

This shaming stuff is vicious fascist bullcr@p  and  no one ought condone it.

[Perd Hapley]

Yea blah blah.  I was trying to make a point.  If I knew you already had one on the top of your head,  I would   saved my effort. 
Yea ----SNARK!   But if you don't get how things like what we're discussing can lead to violence then it's well deserved.   

I'm not talking about anything that encourages or incites violence.

Just what "public policies"  do you really believe justify the kind of idiot virtue signaling that the owner of the Red Hen Restaurant brought to bear against Sarah Huckabee? 

For the record, I'm opposed to idiot virtue signaling. And idiots.

Do you really think Maxine Waters' diatribes urging protests against govt. employees can't lead to violence?

Maxine Waters is of the pro-violence party, so yes. That's why I said they aim at the wrong targets. They promote violence against children, and frustrate efforts to combat violence.

That's  a lot more than "shaming"  in my humble opinion -- which is crass and disgusting enough as it is.

You still won't explain what you mean by that. If it's just someone shouting, "Shame on you, you should be ashamed," then what is your problem with it? Is it crass and disgusting to call out public officials for bringing shame to their office? Why?

I'd like to know what egregious policies you believe are in force by the government now. 

 
I've already mentioned one in this thread. And we give tax money to the people that carry it out.

As for participating in public policy,  we call that VOTING.  You are also free to send letters to your senators and representatives,  and some actually stoop to public forums .... especially as elections draw near.
And one can also run for office oneself.

Public protest is also a legitimate form of politicking. Have you heard of it?

This shaming stuff is vicious fascist bullcr@p  and  no one ought condone it.

Calm down, and read a history book.

[HankB]

I wonder how Maxine Waters would react to being heckled every time she showed up at a restaurant . . . or department store . . . or supermarket . . . or movie theater . . .

[makattak]

I wonder how Maxine Waters would react to being heckled every time she showed up at a restaurant . . . or department store . . . or supermarket . . . or movie theater . . .

She'd cry racism.

[TommyGunn]

I'm not talking about anything that encourages or incites violence.


For the record, I'm opposed to idiot virtue signaling. And idiots.


Maxine Waters is of the pro-violence party, so yes. That's why I said they aim at the wrong targets. They promote violence against children, and frustrate efforts to combat violence.


You still won't explain what you mean by that. If it's just someone shouting, "Shame on you, you should be ashamed," then what is your problem with it? Is it crass and disgusting to call out public officials for bringing shame to their office? Why?

  
I've already mentioned one in this thread. And we give tax money to the people that carry it out.

 
Public protest is also a legitimate form of politicking. Have you heard of it?

 Calm down, and read a history book.

1.  I have read plenty of history books.  Your sanctimonious attitude is noted.
2.  What happened in the restaurant against Sarah Huckabee was not "public protest" --- an activity that I am very aware of,  and support if it's peaceful.  The restaurant thing WAS NOT PEACEFUL and was, atleast, "disturbing the peace."
3.  Shaming is what was done in that restaurant.  I have a serious disconnect with your inference Ms.  Huckabee "brought shame to her office",  or anyone else.    Disagreeing with govt policy, or agenda does not equate to "bringing shame."  If that is your intent then your position is absurd.  
I  would suggest that such a charge be equated to committing criminal acts,  or other acts of malfeasance in office.  As an example, President Clinton and his actions with Monica,  his intern.   That, I would agree, brings "shame" to the Oval office.

You may not be talking about anything that encourages violence.
I was.
The problem as I see it is I think this "shaming" stuff  seriously risks violence.   It doesn't seem to me you believe that,  or if you do,  you haven't been sufficiently clear.  There's a lot going on out there which doesn't involve Maxine Waters,  such as a Florida office holder being spat on. That's disgusting,  and it also can be prosecuted as assault.
I'm glad you've got Ms. Waters categorized correctly,  but there much more to this than her obsessive compulsive disorders.