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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: wmenorr67 on August 04, 2014, 03:16:26 PM
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/08/04/james-brady-white-house-press-secretary-under-reagan-dies/
I forgot until I read this article that he wasn't totally on board with his wife in regards to gun control.
Sarah Brady became involved in gun-control efforts in 1985, and later chaired Handgun Control Inc., but Brady took a few more years to join her, and Reagan did not endorse their efforts until 10 years after he was shot. Reagan's surprise endorsement -- he was a longtime National Rifle Association member and opponent of gun control laws -- began to turn the tide in Congress.
"They're not going to accuse him of being some bed-wetting liberal, no way can they do that," said Brady, who had become an active lobbyist for the bill.
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Reagan endorsed gun control? So many conservative heads a exploding now...
ETA: he supported both the AWB in 94 and the Brady bill. What a great conservative leader he was. Where oh where can we find a modern Reagan?!?!?!?!
http://articles.latimes.com/1994-05-05/news/mn-54185_1_assault-weapons-ban
http://www.nytimes.com/1991/03/29/opinion/why-i-m-for-the-brady-bill.html
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Reagan endorsed gun control? So many conservative heads a exploding now...
Reagan was a Fudd, or close to it.
http://articles.latimes.com/1994-05-05/news/mn-54185_1_assault-weapons-ban/2
May 3, 1994
To Members of the U.S. House of Representatives:
We are writing to urge your support for a ban on the domestic manufacture of military-style assault weapons. This is a matter of vital importance to the public safety. Although assualt weapons account for less than 1% of the guns in circulation, they account for nearly 10% of the guns traced to crime.
Every major law enforcement organization in America and dozens of leading labor, medical, religious, civil rights and civic groups support such a ban. Most importantly, poll after poll shows that the American public overwhelmingly support a ban on assault weapons. A 1993 CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll found that 77% of Americans support a ban on the manufacture, sale, and possession of semi-automatic assault guns, such as the AK-47.
The 1989 import ban resulted in an impressive 40% drop in imported assault weapons traced to crime between 1989 and 1991, but the killing continues. Last year, a killer armed with two TEC9s killed eight people at a San Francisco law firm and wounded several others. During the past five years, more than 40 law enforcement officers have been killed or wounded in the line of duty by an assault weapon.
While we recognize that assault weapon legislation will not stop all assault weapon crime, statistics prove that we can dry up the supply of these guns, making them less accessible to criminals. We urge you to listen to the American public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of these weapons.
Sincerely,
Gerald R. Ford
Jimmy Carter
Ronald Reagan
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He was also well down the Alzheimer's disease path by then and probably easily manipulated by other forces.
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He was also well down the Alzheimer's disease path by then and probably easily manipulated by other forces.
Beat me to it.
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Meh, he was anti gun in California, had a mixed record as President, and supported gun control again afterwards. He was a politician, so I'll take deeds over words and by that measure he was somewhere between indifferent and anti.
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He was also well down the Alzheimer's disease path by then and probably easily manipulated by other forces.
Almost like being shot in the head, thereafter being questionably competent but used to advance an agenda anyway.
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I was surprised to see Nancy chimed in. Probably a handler pulling a canned response from a file and adding James' name.
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Different era, the right to bear arms movement wasn't as pervasive back then.
Brady and Reagan were products of a different time and were wrong on the gun issue to a large extent.
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Reagan did own an AR-15. Possibly he signed the AW ban letter because of the disease process interferring with his mind (plus guilt from Brady).
His record in CA wasn't great, unfortunately, so it's hard to say for sure.
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Interesting picture. And, of course, finger on the trigger, no magazine, flunkies close at hand.
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Almost like being shot in the head, thereafter being questionably competent but used to advance an agenda anyway.
Ayup. It's funny how so many folks vehemently defend Reagan (despite his anti gun track record in CA, and mixed results in his Presidency) because of possible Alzheimers, but hate on the man who literally got shot in the head.
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Ayup. It's funny how so many folks vehemently defend Reagan (despite his anti gun track record in CA, and mixed results in his Presidency) because of possible Alzheimers, but hate on the man who literally got shot in the head.
Yes considering that he took his time getting on board and probably was "pushed" into it from his wife.
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Reagan was first last and always a politician. He sold out his membership when he was union pres so his gun positions should come as no surprise
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IMO, Reagan's legacy lies more with economic changes and the Cold War than anything else. If you look at things from a single issue perspective, I can see where you wouldn't like him. Of course, I am not sure who the last President was that you would like.
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IMO, Reagan's legacy lies more with economic changes and the Cold War than anything else. If you look at things from a single issue perspective, I can see where you wouldn't like him. Of course, I am not sure who the last President was that you would like.
I don't dislike him at all. I just grow tired of the exuberant posthumous fellatio everyone in the GOP bestows on a guy who, at the end of the day, was just a politician.
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I don't dislike him at all. I just grow tired of the exuberant posthumous fellatio everyone in the GOP bestows on a guy who, at the end of the day, was just a politician.
Well, he WAS certainly a politician.
Perhaps a particularly good one.
After 4 years of Jimmy "Peanut" Carter, I think we needed Reagan. After the Carter miasma we needed someone who made us feel good about our country, and Reagan did that. He did it well. It didn't make him a saint, hardly made him perfect.
But it did make him a great communicator.
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Well, he WAS certainly a politician.
Perhaps a particularly good one.
After 4 years of Jimmy "Peanut" Carter, I think we needed Reagan. After the Carter miasma we needed someone who made us feel good about our country, and Reagan did that. He did it well. It didn't make him a saint, hardly made him perfect.
But it did make him a great communicator.
Voting for someone because they make you feel all warm and fuzzy is how we got Obama x2.
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Ayup. It's funny how so many folks vehemently defend Reagan (despite his anti gun track record in CA, and mixed results in his Presidency) because of possible Alzheimers, but hate on the man who literally got shot in the head.
I'm more hating on the people who used Jim Brady and are currently using the more sympathetic Brady 2.0, Gabby Giffords. Listen to her talk, don't think she'll ever be all there.
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Reagan (along with Brady) started a course that could have led to even greater things for America. Small government pro liberty folks at least had a seat at the table with the Reagan administration.
HW Bush fumbled the ball after the hand off from Reagan; Newt picked it up and ran it down the field a ways and then fumbled it himself.
Newt, GW along with Denny Hastert have nearly destroyed the "Republican brand". The public now associates limited government and economic freedom with an era of Republican statism and crony capitalism. Not to mention all the military adventurism.
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Voting for someone because they make you feel all warm and fuzzy is how we got Obama x2.
Except Reagan wasn't actively trying to bring down the country. When someone reported the economy grew at 4% back then, it was likely true.
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I'm more hating on the people who used Jim Brady and are currently using the more sympathetic Brady 2.0, Gabby Giffords. Listen to her talk, don't think she'll ever be all there.
Giffords husband is a thoroughly vile and evil man.
Reagan (along with Brady) started a course that could have led to even greater things for America. Small government pro liberty folks at least had a seat at the table with the Reagan administration.
HW Bush fumbled the ball after the hand off from Reagan; Newt picked it up and ran it down the field a ways and then fumbled it himself.
Newt, GW along with Denny Hastert have nearly destroyed the "Republican brand". The public now associates limited government and economic freedom with an era of Republican statism and crony capitalism. Not to mention all the military adventurism.
"Voodoo economics." "No new taxes."
And of course the massive fail on every level that was Dubya.
Except Reagan wasn't actively trying to bring down the country. When someone reported the economy grew at 4% back then, it was likely true.
Obama is unique in the whole "mentored by crazed racists and domestic terrorists" aspect. But that really reinforces my point. He said he was planning to destroy the country and Constitution (fundamental change) and people voted because of their feels.
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Voting for someone because they make you feel all warm and fuzzy is how we got Obama x2.
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Balog, Obama is an empty suit. He never so much as governed a lemonade stand.
Reagan ran the Screen Actors Guild and was governor of California, which is more experience when he was sleeping than President Emptysuit ever knew in his life.
I didn't coin the term "great communicator" for Reagan I borrowed it. Reagan took Carter's recession and turned it around into a time of prosperity, he went up against the Soviet Union and was instrumental in bringing down that evil system.
To try mention him in the same breath as Obama is sacrilige. I ought to hunt you down for it -- I won't 'cause we're friends and all and you've made many intelligent points on this site, but you STEPPED in it this time, buddy.
And just what the **** is that stupid line drawing supposed to be anyway? Two space aliens?
There's a story about Abraham Lincoln. He didn't always have that beard, you know. He had a rather sallow face, and a serious visage; it made him look a bit harsh. A young girl once sent him a letter suggesting he grow a beard as it would soften his looks, make him appear more wise and genial. You know, he did grow it, and it worked!
Sure the beard didn't actually change who he was, and didn't add a point to his IQ.
Whether you like it of not there ARE superficial reasons why we vote for candidates. Go back and examine the 1960 Kennedy vs. Nixon race. Escpecially the TV debate. Those who watched the TV broadcast usually credit Kennedy as winner while those who only heard the radio credit Nixon as winner. It is known Nixon was sick and refused TV make-up, while Kennedy was in top form physically, though perhaps not so much as a debater.
Anyhow, Nixon lost, but got his chance eight years later notwithstanding having a teleprsence that always reminded me of a sweating bulldog.
It's important for voters to go beyond the superficial, for sure. But don't kid yourself the superficial will always be there and will be best exploited by those for whom it works best.
That's politics.
Reagan was a serious contender....
Obama was, is, and will die, an empty suit.
We get the government we so richly deserve. >:D
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That's a lot of emoting and blathering that has nothing whatsoever to do with anything I've said because I hurt your feels. You're kind of proving my point here man. It has nothing to do with Reagan or Obama, it has to do with why people voted for them. I was not comparing them as Presidents or men (in fact I specified that Obama was a unique case among POTUS') I was comparing the cult-like following an folks voting based on emotion and feels.
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Reagan's actions as sag president are not his brightest moment. Even overlooking his heading a union
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That's a lot of emoting and blathering that has nothing whatsoever to do with anything I've said because I hurt your feels. You're kind of proving my point here man. It has nothing to do with Reagan or Obama, it has to do with why people voted for them. I was not comparing them as Presidents or men (in fact I specified that Obama was a unique case among POTUS') I was comparing the cult-like following an folks voting based on emotion and feels.
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You didn't hurt my feelings, you're missing my point.... :facepalm:
BTW: I know this is beside the point but those drawings are awfully creepy, Balog.
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Reagan's actions as sag president are not his brightest moment. Even overlooking his heading a union
So? No one ever said Reagan was perfect. You can actually learn a lot by doing a bad job at things.
Reagan's presidency wasn't perfect either. He granted amnesty to illegals that spectacularly backfired. Just about every pundit that remarks on this reightfully criticizes Reagan for this.
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You didn't hurt my feelings, you're missing my point.... :facepalm:
BTW: I know this is beside the point but those drawings are awfully creepy, Balog.
No, I get your point. Reagan was awesome, and you hate Obama. The rest is just emoting.
I think the current obsession with Reagan among the GOP is unhealthy. As you note, it is most likely due to (among the older generations) how much better he was than Carter. Among the folks too young to remember his terms, it's most likely due to sheer ignorance of his actual positions and actions. Either way it's a bad idea.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-know-that-feel-bro
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No, I get your point. Reagan was awesome, and you hate Obama. The rest is just emoting.
I think the current obsession with Reagan among the GOP is unhealthy. As you note, it is most likely due to (among the older generations) how much better he was than Carter. Among the folks too young to remember his terms, it's most likely due to sheer ignorance of his actual positions and actions. Either way it's a bad idea.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-know-that-feel-bro
:mad: Where'd I say Reagan was "awesome?" ? ? ? ?? ??
You insist you didn't miss my point while demonstrating you absolutly DID miss it!!!!!! :facepalm:
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:mad: Where'd I say Reagan was "awesome?" ? ? ? ?? ??
You insist you didn't miss my point while demonstrating you absolutly DID miss it!!!!!! :facepalm:
Reagan ran the Screen Actors Guild and was governor of California, which is more experience when he was sleeping than President Emptysuit ever knew in his life.
I didn't coin the term "great communicator" for Reagan I borrowed it. Reagan took Carter's recession and turned it around into a time of prosperity, he went up against the Soviet Union and was instrumental in bringing down that evil system.
To try mention him in the same breath as Obama is sacrilige.
You obviously like the dude, and that's cool. I like him too. Nothing I've said was really a commentary on Reagan per se, just about the mystique and pedestal putting that has gone on with him lately.
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So? No one ever said Reagan was perfect. You can actually learn a lot by doing a bad job at things.
Reagan's presidency wasn't perfect either. He granted amnesty to illegals that spectacularly backfired. Just about every pundit that remarks on this reightfully criticizes Reagan for this.
He didn't do a "bad job"per se. He did act as an undercover informant against members of his own union along with wife 1. And making that more questionable is the fact that he benefited greatly from making actors he competed with unemployable.
He exhibited a most flexible morality
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He didn't do a "bad job"per se. He did act as an undercover informant against members of his own union along with wife 1. And making that more questionable is the fact that he benefited greatly from making actors he competed with unemployable.
He exhibited a most flexible morality
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Isn't that the quintessential definition of a politician -- or a lawyer, for that matter? >:D
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Where'd I say Reagan was "awesome?" ? ? ? ?? ??
You insist you didn't miss my point while demonstrating you absolutly DID miss it!!!!!!
Reagan ran the Screen Actors Guild and was governor of California, which is more experience when he was sleeping than President Emptysuit ever knew in his life.
I didn't coin the term "great communicator" for Reagan I borrowed it. Reagan took Carter's recession and turned it around into a time of prosperity, he went up against the Soviet Union and was instrumental in bringing down that evil system.
To try mention him in the same breath as Obama is sacrilige.
That isn't hardly calling him "awesome!"
You obviously like the dude, and that's cool. I like him too. Nothing I've said was really a commentary on Reagan per se, just about the mystique and pedestal putting that has gone on with him lately.
OK.
;)
I guess I just don't see anyone out there putting him on a pedestal. ???
Oh well.
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Reagan ran the Screen Actors Guild and was governor of California, which is more experience when he was sleeping than President Emptysuit ever knew in his life.
I didn't coin the term "great communicator" for Reagan I borrowed it. Reagan took Carter's recession and turned it around into a time of prosperity, he went up against the Soviet Union and was instrumental in bringing down that evil system.
To try mention him in the same breath as Obama is sacrilige.
That isn't hardly calling him "awesome!"
OK.
;)
I guess I just don't see anyone out there putting him on a pedestal. ???
Oh well.
Really?!?!?!?! Did you watch the primary debates? It was like a contest to see who could compare their policies to Reagan the most times. Hell, even Obama has jumped on that train and tried to compare whatever stupid thing he was pushing to a Reagan policy. At some point in the 2016 primaries I'm expecting a candidate to just walk out in a Reagan mask and start giving the "tear down this wall" speech.
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For what it's worth, which is admittedly bupkis...
I do think if he were President TODAY, or sometime after 1994, Reagan would be pretty solidly on the pro-RKBA side.
RKBA had not yet completely gelled as a platform plank in the "culture war" in America, the abuses by the BATF at Ruby Ridge and Waco hadn't happened, the CCW wave (and it's success... or at least utter lack of harm) hadn't swept America, The SCOTUS cases affirming RKBA and the individual-right hadn't happened.
With the import ban EO, the actions against carry in reaction to the Black Panthers as Governor of California, and Hughes Amendment aside, the massive good the '86 FOPA did for gun owners, I tend to take it all as more individualistic reactions to the given events, and not part of a larger overall RKBA strategy or ideology.
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Really?!?!?!?! Did you watch the primary debates? It was like a contest to see who could compare their policies to Reagan the most times. Hell, even Obama has jumped on that train and tried to compare whatever stupid thing he was pushing to a Reagan policy. At some point in the 2016 primaries I'm expecting a candidate to just walk out in a Reagan mask and start giving the "tear down this wall" speech.
Let's not conflate political theater with pedestalization (or idolatory ... ) ESPECIALLY when Obama does it.
Obama comparing himself to Reagan? :rofl: Did Hitler compare himself to Mother Theresa? Did Ghenghis Khan compare himself to St. Thomas Aquinas? Did Martin Luther compare himself to Satan?
Oh jeeesh, I could go on.
Primary debates = Political Theater. Remember that equation.
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Let's not conflate political theater with pedestalization (or idolatory ... ) ESPECIALLY when Obama does it.
Obama comparing himself to Reagan? :rofl: Did Hitler compare himself to Mother Theresa? Did Ghenghis Khan compare himself to St. Thomas Aquinas? Did Martin Luther compare himself to Satan?
Oh jeeesh, I could go on.
Primary debates = Political Theater. Remember that equation.
I don't know how I came to the conclusion you thought he was awesome...
Seriously though, read any mainstream conservative news source. Reagan is spoken of reverently, and "who's policy is most Reaganesque" is a common selling point.
All politics is theater and nothing more. Remember that.
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Balog...
Reagan was wise enough to realize he could not do it all in one or two terms. So he prioritized. In 1980 the biggest problems were stagflation and worldwide communist domination.
His first term he went after inflation with a vengence and took real risks. He knew that bringing inflation down would spark a recession. He did it anyway and stopped kicking the can down the road.
He hammered communism mercilessly both terms and can be rightfully credited with stopping for a while the worldwide slide into oppression.
He did not win all his battles and he surely compromised on or let hang issues he thought of lesser importance.
He was no dummy and i would suggest reading the columns and radio commentaries he authored.
Comparing him with bho is asinine. He left the presidency with an america stronger economocally militarily and morale-ly. His terms in office ended with more humans living in freedom.
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Let's not conflate political theater with pedestalization (or idolatory ... ) ESPECIALLY when Obama does it.
Obama comparing himself to Reagan? Did Hitler compare himself to Mother Theresa? Did Ghenghis Khan compare himself to St. Thomas Aquinas? Did Martin Luther compare himself to Satan?
Oh jeeesh, I could go on.
Primary debates = Political Theater. Remember that equation.
I don't know how I came to the conclusion you thought he was awesome...
You take too much from sarcasm.
Seriously though, read any mainstream conservative news source. Reagan is spoken of reverently, and "who's policy is most Reaganesque" is a common selling point.
All politics is theater and nothing more. Remember that.
Reagan is spoken of respectfully by many conservative news people. "Reverently?"
And not all politics is theater. The German Third Reich may have been "politics" but I think calling it theater would horribly demean the ten million plus who died as a result of endlosung and other Nazi progroms.
American politics may not be so morbid but considering what a national debt of 17+ trillion and growing will do to this country, eventually, I wouldn't call much of it "theater," either.
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Balog...
Reagan was wise enough to realize he could not do it all in one or two terms. So he prioritized. In 1980 the biggest problems were stagflation and worldwide communist domination.
His first term he went after inflation with a vengence and took real risks. He knew that bringing inflation down would spark a recession. He did it anyway and stopped kicking the can down the road.
He hammered communism mercilessly both terms and can be rightfully credited with stopping for a while the worldwide slide into oppression.
He did not win all his battles and he surely compromised on or let hang issues he thought of lesser importance.
He was no dummy and i would suggest reading the columns and radio commentaries he authored.
Comparing him with bho is asinine. He left the presidency with an america stronger economocally militarily and morale-ly. His terms in office ended with more humans living in freedom.
1 I was comparing the mentality displayed by Reagan fans today to that of Obama voters. Not the men, their voters.
2. His amnesty was the first rock down the hill of the invasion we are seeing now. His limp wristing Muslim terror contributed to the subsequent attacks. His deficits were massive. He was a hardline drug warrior. He supplied lots of arms to lots of terrorists.
3. He did some good things, he did some horrible things. He was just a politician. I'm not trying to take away from his good, but I damn sure won't whitewash his bad like so many seem hellbent on doing.
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I don't know how I came to the conclusion you thought he was awesome...
You take too much from sarcasm.
Reagan is spoken of respectfully by many conservative news people. "Reverently?"
And not all politics is theater. The German Third Reich may have been "politics" but I think calling it theater would horribly demean the ten million plus who died as a result of endlosung and other Nazi progroms.
American politics may not be so morbid but considering what a national debt of 17+ trillion and growing will do to this country, eventually, I wouldn't call much of it "theater," either.
Wars, genocide, destroyed economies etc are by products of politics. They are the results of the theater.
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1 I was comparing the mentality displayed by Reagan fans today to that of Obama voters. Not the men, their voters.
How about comparing Obama voters with Kennedy voters, or Abe Lincoln voters, or Teddy Roosevelt voters, FDR voters. I'm sure that you'll find very many similarities there as well.
2. His amnesty was the first rock down the hill of the invasion we are seeing now. His limp wristing Muslim terror contributed to the subsequent attacks. His deficits were massive. He was a hardline drug warrior. He supplied lots of arms to lots of terrorists.
His deficits were NOTHING compared to what we're stuck with today. Everyone complains about his deficits. Wow. He cut taxes and stimulated an economy -- by year 6 in his administration we were doing MUCH better than we are after 6 years of Obama. At the end of his administration government revenue had essentially doubled.
What people forget is Reagan also raised taxes. That's right. People who think we need to raise taxes to pay down debts forget this. Well, he did -- and there were STILL deficits. Raising taxes didn't help.
Remember TEFRA? Reagan raised taxes but in the deal he made with congress there'd also be spending reduction measure. Well, he got the tax raise but kongress reniged on the spending cuts.
How is it he "limp wristed" Muslim terrorists? Yes he pulled out after the attack on the Marine Barracks in lebanon, but he also later shelled the terrorists' quarters later.
Try keeping in mind EVERYTHING changed on September 11, 2001. You can also claim Clinton limpwristed Muslim terrorists. He was offered Bin Laden on a silver platter and refused. Before the Twin Towers went down it was largely perceived as a law & order problem, not a war.
The problem is Obama has gone back to the "law & order" concept ....
"He supplied lots of arms to lots of terrorists." ~~ Balog.
You're refering to the "arms for hostages" deal done by Oliver North? You do realize he took responsibility for that inspite of it being Colonel North's brilliant machination.
It is true that ought not have happened, however those self same terrorists would have been using Soviet equipment if not ours. We were hardly the only country engaged in arms trafficking. The Soviets were much bigger into that -- the AK-47 is ubiquitous in the arsenals of terror organizations as a result.
3. He did some good things, he did some horrible things. He was just a politician. I'm not trying to take away from his good, but I damn sure won't whitewash his bad like so many seem hellbent on doing.
Is there any politician whom you do really admire?
And be forwarned thye better not have any skeletons in their closets or else ...... =D :O [popcorn]
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The whole side debate, while entertaining, is made moot by one simple phrase: "Four more years of Jimmy Carter."
Re: the OP, what happened to James Brady was unfortunate. The legacy of the unfortunate event would have been treated much more kindly in history with the creation of the Brady Center to Prevent Voices-In-My-Head Violence.
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Holder sells guns to cartels, impeach Obama! North sells guns to cartels, oh well you know they'd just them somewhere anyway. Lulz.
And I'm pointing out the similarity between Obamatards and Reaganbots because both are on the scene and active. I doubt the FDR voter block has much away in current elections.
Politicians I like or admire? Nope, drawing a blank.
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Politicians I like or admire? Nope, drawing a blank.
Well atleast you're honest.
I, OTOH, sorta feel bad for being a Reagan supporter all this time. I didn't ever truly "get" the true depths of his profound evil depravity. [tinfoil] [popcorn] [popcorn]
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Holder sells guns to cartels, impeach Obama! North sells guns to cartels, oh well you know they'd just them somewhere anyway. Lulz.
And I'm pointing out the similarity between Obamatards and Reaganbots because both are on the scene and active. I doubt the FDR voter block has much away in current elections.
Politicians I like or admire? Nope, drawing a blank.
There's still a pretty big difference.
However misguided, Oliver North was trying to further the policy aims of America when he did the "Arms for Hostages" in Iran-Contra.
Obama/Holder/ATF were deliberately supplying guns to entities who operate on and over our border with Mexico, as an intentional false-flag operation to create a case for depriving Americans of their RKBA.
Everyone is different, but personally, I see an order of magnitude's difference between the two scandals.
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Well atleast you're honest.
I, OTOH, sorta feel bad for being a Reagan supporter all this time. I didn't ever truly "get" the true depths of his profound evil depravity. [tinfoil] [popcorn] [popcorn]
:rofl:
Yup, any degree of criticism whatsoever means I'm saying he's evil. You're on to me.
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Yup, any degree of criticism whatsoever means I'm saying he's evil. You're on to me.
Aw come on ... just a wee bit of sarcasm . . . . . . :angel:
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However misguided, Oliver North was trying to further the policy aims of America when he did the "Arms for Hostages" in Iran-Contra
Wasn't North a Lt. Col. when Iran/Contra was going on?
Does an O-5 really have the horse power to pull of what was done with out approval and direct support and involvement from much higher up the chain of command?
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Reagan had battleships pound Hezboallah like a screen door in a hurricane with 16" shells, doing all sorts of urban renewal after pulling out the jarheads. If only subsequent POTUSes learned from that lesson.
Getting 1500 HATGMs to Iran to prolong the Iran/Iraq war was all upside.
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I havent read the whole thread.... but when you tell people that comparing two presidents is SACRILEGE, you're most assuredly putting him on a pedestal.
As for supporting terrorists, lets not forget that our actions (a lot of which occurred during reagan's administration) were DIRECTLY responsible for solidifying the control of a-stan by islamic extremists.
I highly recommend "Ghost Wars" and similar books for a glimpse at the insanity of what we did there during the soviet occupation
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The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Until they fly jets into my skyscrapers and use the guns I sold them to kill my troops. Then I guess they're an enemy again.
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The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Until they fly jets into my skyscrapers and use the guns I sold them to kill my troops. Then I guess they're an enemy again.
Well at least we're consistent, what with helping the Syrian "rebels" who are ISIS
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Well at least we're consistent, what with helping the Syrian "rebels" who are ISIS
I'm not sure which was the worse punishment, the bombings or sending John McCain to visit.
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TV Nooze just announced that They (who exactly They are was not clear) are now looking into murder charges against Hinkley.
[popcorn]
stay safe.
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Anything to pump up the gun violence stats.
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TV Nooze just announced that They (who exactly They are was not clear) are now looking into murder charges against Hinkley.
Brady's death has been ruled a homicide: http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/08/politics/brady-death-homicide/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Whether the prosecutor will file charges against Hinckley remains to be seen. Personally, I think it's a long shot (no pun intended).
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If they do charge him with homicide, does anybody really expect a verdict other than NGBRI?
stay safe.
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His "documented improvement" will work against him there. He's sane enough to leave alone
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His "documented improvement" will work against him there. He's sane enough to leave alone
Theoretically (I know, I know) his current status can only help him avoid being sent back to St. E's 24/7. If/when they try him they will have to deal with his mental state on that day, not how he is now. NGBRI again.
stay safe.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/08/08/may-the-government-try-john-hinckley-for-james-bradys-murder/
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Gov't had their chance and the lovely residents of DC screwed the pooch.
This is asinine.
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Was Reagan's death ruled a homicide?
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How is this a murder? He survived the attack, and lived to old age.
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Was Reagan's death ruled a homicide?
No.
If they do charge him with homicide, does anybody really expect a verdict other than NGBRI?
stay safe.
As I understand it they will have to consider his mental state at the time of the crime. He may (or may not ... ) be perfectly sane now but that doesn't matter. And three decades ago he was NGBRI, as you say.
It's already been adjudicated.
I think any reasonable DA would decline prosecution because they know what the result would be, and no useful end is served by prosecution at this point. Just my 2 cents....
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From the comments at TTAG: thetruthaboutguns.com/.../brady-campaign-founders-death-ruled-homicide/#comments (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/08/foghorn/breaking-brady-campaign-founders-death-ruled-homicide/#comments)
August 8, 2014 at 19:16
OK, first time posting, but since I have some expertise in this matter, figured I’d chime in. I’m a retired forensic pathologist who did my fellowship in New Mexico. A medicolegal death investigation attempts to answer several questions including the cause and manner of death.
Cause of death is just that: what killed the individual. It can be divided into the immediate and underlying cause(s) of death. The immediate cause of death is the illness or injury that leads to death. The underlying cause of death is the illness or injury that started the chain of events that leads to death. So long as that chain is unbroken, there is no time limit. The underlying cause of death may have occured days, weeks, months, or decades, but as long as the chain is unbroken, it doesn’t matter. For example, someone who falls off a ladder and breaks his neck, thus becoming a quadriplegic, will usually suffer from chronic complication of that injury such as aspiration pneumonia, chronic urinary tract infections which can lead to renal failure, etc. If he eventually dies from one of these complications, the immediate cause of death may be aspiration pneumonia (for example), but the underlying cause of death is blunt force trauma due to the fall. Since aspiration pneumonia is a common complication of quadripegia it is reasonable to conclude that his death was initiated by his injury and since he never recovered from that injury, the chain remains intact even if the time between his initial injury and death is years apart. Now, if he had died from something not related, such as prostate cancer, then the cause of death would simply be prostate cancer.
Manner of death is simply a classification of death, and is divided into natural, homicide, suicide, and accident. If the manner is unclear or unresolved, it remains undetermined. Note that this classification has no legal bearing in court. It is quite possible for the medical examiner and the court to reach different conclusions in terms of manner of death. Also, homicide in terms of classification by the medical examiner, is a neutral term and covers culpable and non-culpable homicide.
So in my example above, the manner of death would be accident since the initiating event was a fall from a height. Or if it was an intentional jump, it would be classified as suicide. If he was pushed, then it would be a homicide. So in the case of Mr. Brady, if the immediate cause of death was a complication that resulted from his gunshot wound, then the death would correctly be classified as a homicide.
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Charging him with murder now is like saying a spoon is the reason Micheal Moore and Rosie O are fat.