The unrest followed a march to a police station in Tottenham in protest over the shooting death of a minicab passenger by police on Thursday in an apparent exchange of gunfire. Mark Duggan, 29, a father of four, died at the scene.
The radio of a police officer was later found to have a bullet lodged in it.
Must have been caught in the crossfire of the circular firing squad the armed police set up.
stay safe.
Shops on fire, and lots of people saying there is little police action. Spread to Birmingham tonight as well. It's the product of various things, but if the circular emails the papers were picking up today are genuine, it's more to do with opportunistic looting and vandalism than anything else.That's why there is little police action; they are protecting the criminal class. (professional courtesy.)
02 .03 A enormous blaze has engulfed
Sainsbury' s depot in Waltham Abbey, Essex. The
warehousing appears to be the size of a football
pitch and the entire store is ablaze and pouring
thick black smoke. It is one of the major food
depots for central London.
Meeting of COBR this morning. Things got a lot worse after I posted here last night, spread to Liverpool and Bristol too to my knowledge. No reports of deaths that I've heard, but a man has life threatening head injuries according to the BBC. Goes against my inherent socially liberal views, but law and order needs to be re-established hard and fast, right now these people think they are untouchable. According to a guy on the news just now, we haven't used troops on the streets since 1919, and that was because the police were on strike rather than due to the police not coping with something.
What did they arm themselves with?
I live in Illinois, 20 minutes outside Chicago city limits, if something like this were to occur here there would be a heavily armed response by my neighbors I suspect.
This might be one of the most anti gun places in the USA on paper but the amount of firepower owned is very substantial.
That bloke died. Yesterday was madness, a series of ever more disgusting acts of criminality with the mood enlivened only by one or two incidents - the probably most interesting to people here being the action of a group of turkish shop owners and their family / friends who armed themselves and saw off a 100-strong mob of would-be looters in Hackney.
Not sure its the right moment for comedy, but:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkWtMNBgf48&feature=player_embedded
:facepalm:
See, the noble spirit of the Arab spring is spreading!
Some thoughts on the cause of the riots. http://winstonsmith33.blogspot.com/2011/08/riots-in-london-are-culmination-of.html
Not sure its the right moment for comedy, but:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkWtMNBgf48&feature=player_embedded
I wonder how the Brit riot cops handle this.
Mmmmm.
When's it come here, to the good old United State?
We already had the American Spring, back in '09. It's interesting to contrast the reaction of the press and the Dem. party to the popular uprisings in the Mid-East, vs. their reaction to our popular uprising here.
Ten good marksmen could end this in about an hour.
I wonder how the Brit riot cops handle this.
Oh come. It was in no way radical enough.
I'm not sure what you meant to say.
This might prove useful:
http://www.londonrioters.co.uk/
People are uploading photos of rioters, asking the public to identify them.
Sorry to our British bretheren, but your country has degenerated to the point that the only people with enough sense to defend themselves are evidently not British.
I certainly hope so.
After four straight days of rioting the Brits have finally approved... using a water cannon. :rolleyes: Way to get tough!
and despite what Azrael claims, its people from every community.
I meant precisely what I meant.
A true popular uprising on 'our' side, to succeed, must have, at the least, the following:
1. The comprehension that it is not enough to protect the status quo from some future reforms. The current status quo must be understood as an oppressive and evil one before it can be overthrown.
2. The willingness to take political and personal risks - not through political violence, of course, but through long-term protests and even 'louder' techniques like civil disobedience, one-man picket watches, etc. etc.
In short, what we need is revolutionaries, just right-wing ones.
At least one Brit blogger asserts a strong racial component to the riots - which doesn't really come through in the footage I've seen: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/katharinebirbalsingh/100099830/these-riots-were-about-race-why-ignore-the-fact/
One rioting female looter, when asked why she was doing that, screamed back words to the effect that she "was getting her taxes back."Somehow I doubt that rioter pays taxes or that she at least already gets back more than she pays.
After four straight days of rioting the Brits have finally approved... using a water cannon. :rolleyes: Way to get tough!
I thought you might have meant that the Tea Party was not radical enough to make the comparison between it and the Arab Spring.
That is also true, of course. The Arab Spring was (is, the protests in Egypt and the fighting in Syria is still ongoing) is aimed to completely change the system of government in these countries.
Interesting. 7 of the 10 top sporting goods sales items from Amazon-UK could are or could be considered weapons.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/movers-and-shakers/sports/#zg_learnMore
Beck will see this as a prophecy of London burning (that was actually stated as fact at a time of other, completely unrelated student protests that were much more minor and didn't involve much burning, and despite what he was linking them to had nothing to do with immigration or Islam) being fulfilled.
I didn't know there was a grandfather from the west Indies named Beck, what a coincidence! Wow this grandfather from the west Indies says this riot is an uprising just like in the middle east
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biJgILxGK0o
when we have true unfortunates dying of inanity
The catalyzing event does seem to be displeasure over a shootout between the police and a blackcriminalfather of four, though.
true unfortunates dying of inanityThat's gotta be a horrible way to go.
Every city in every country in the world could experience that on any given day, the mob can temporarily rule.
Do you feel yourself on the verge of flipping out and looting a store, only restrained, perhaps, by your fear of the Bobby?
I certainly don't.
2. The tools to deal with this event as it has occured. These have been worked out by civilization already. Guns, police batons, and water hoses. Use them often and in an organized and determined fashion and it will be the non-problem it really is.
That's gotta be a horrible way to go.quite an inane way to go, I meant insanity.
gunsmith - he linked students rioting over tuition fees in London to the Arab Spring movement. Completely unrelated, but apparently Europe was on fire. Amusing that you'd cite the old warhorse Darcus Howe on anything really.No, you're wrong. the students rioting over the tuition fees much like the idiots protesting here identify with the Arab spring. If you look at any radlib protest you'll find folks spouting the usual crud about Palestine, Israel etc , I've been to plenty of protest. I was an anarchist punk rocker when I was young. As an adult I've been a counter protester & I would see all the usual suspects. The same folks that organized tuition fee protest are the very same that organize 90% of all big protest. Here they call themselves ANWSER http://www.answercoalition.org/national/index.html
quite an inane way to go, I meant insanity.I like "inane" better ;) My imagination can run with it.
You left off tear gas.
In my day it wasn't a riot til the snot ran in rivers.
The kids had no agenda, they did it because they could. Every city in every country in the world could experience that on any given day, the mob can temporarily rule. I'm very wary of people trying to draw far reaching conclusions about the state of society.
>In my day it wasn't a riot til the snot ran in rivers.<
Wait... there were RIVERS of you????
>:D
Considering that Caribbean and African Blacks are roughly 2% of the UK's population, but seem to be represented at about 25-50% of the photos I've been looking at, I'd say there's something to the supposition.
I suspect that as it goes on there's been more and more opportunistic rioters/looters from a wider swath of the UK's population though.
The catalyzing event does seem to be displeasure over a shootout between the police and a black criminal though.
Edited to add: also, the Telegraph article is wrong on at least one point. The police originally claimed that Mark Duggan fired on them, hitting one officer, before they returned fire. Now they have admitted that he didn't shoot, and the hit policeman was struck by a police bullet. The last I heard was that they found a concealed handgun (wrapped up in a sock) inside the taxi, but it had not been drawn. Now that could be true, and maybe the police could see him trying to draw it, but given the police's record of shooting people for "being on the subway while foreign", or "being in posession of an unlicensed chair leg", and then BSing about what happened, I'd cautious about believeing even that.
I'm very wary of people trying to draw far reaching conclusions about the state of society.
Gunsmith - there's no link, other than that there was a social media aspect, which is what people are saying. Whatever you think of the motives of the Arab Spring movements, people have grievances and they organised in a certain way. Here, people had desires to loot, and they organised in that same way. Student tuition - again, whether you agree with their motives or not, I'm somewhat sympathetic to a generation of children who've been told that in the main their education is going to cost them 20-30x more than mine did, and a lot more than the free tuition that the members of this government, and the last one, got. Particularly when those who got free uni tuition and now charging for it include Eton educated David Cameron, privately educated Tony Blair (started under last government) and most of the cabinet went to Oxford or Cambridge with no tuition, something that will now cost £9,000p/a. Those politicians have also devalued a university education by massively expanding Higher Education to try and get up to 50% of school leavers into university, a ploy intended to reduce youth unemployment statistics.
But, I also happen to think that the country can't afford it any more, and that the concept of back pay tuition fees to people who have benefited over the last 40 years should have been explored. These kids have been told that the old argument that paying back through tuition through taxes now isn't valid for them, but it is and was for everyone born before 1979/80. There's a lot there for the youth to get annoyed about in the ways they always have done, without it being some grand Islamist/Marxist co-conspiracy.
Hawkmoon - my suspicion over people drawing conclusions on this is twofold. One - an axe to grind 'the welfare state did it', 'me first society did it' when we actually have no particular clue right now, and it seems those being arrested include people from professional jobs. Two - everyone will rush to a diagnosis, and it's forgotten about next week. Oh and thirdly, and I'm being careful how I say this, because it doesn't apply to anything said here - there is no small amount of racist commentary going on too. As Iapetus points out, relatively poor young urban blacks living in most of the areas hit constitute a fair higher percentage of the demographic than they do in the rest of the UK. I watched the video gunsmith put up of Darcus Howe, and then watched the comments streaming in underneath it. Depressing is not the word.
Iapetus - I saw that chap too - "gotta do it, there's all these Poles coming over and taking our jobs". Same as it ever was, with less monkey and Paki "jokes".
2) People in large numbers are stupid. Take the collective IQ, and for a small group, take 10% off of it... For a bigger group, take 25% off... Add loud noises, a bit of booze, and the opportunity of getting a free big-screen TV that you can tuck under your arm and walk home with, and you can cut 50%...
Supporters of Arab Spring protests are islamofascist?
yup! I'm surprised you didn't get the memo! :cool: :P
Are you trolling?
The extended college time with someone else footing the bill merely extends adolescence and postpones productivity.
I think you're on to something here...it would definitley explain how colleges get away with mandating so many courses that have nothing to do with post-graduate marketable skills. If you got rid of most of these classes, college would be affordable for most everyone who wants it....and more valuable in the marketplace than it is now....
Tuition has increased far faster than inflation, and the root cause is greater governmental financial assistance, by enabling individuals to pay more, at the same "cost" to themselves, colleges have been relatively free to raise prices--which begins the endless cycle of "college is too expensive-->increased financial aid-->increased tuition-->college is too expensive"
Explain this thing about British education to me. Are you talking about the A-Level/O-Level examination system or something else?
Did you feel consoled?Spell check alone is just not enough. Sad considering I wound up settling for Technical Writing as my major after I found myself unable to memorize all the carp required to survive Trig and all the math that hinges off of it!
So I haven't heard much from London lately, did the water cannon and plastic bullets work? All quiet?
Spell check alone is just not enough. Sad considering I wound up settling for Technical Writing as my major after I found myself unable to memorize all the carp required to survive Trig and all the math that hinges off of it!
I had heard that the British .gov was going to require the BBC, SKY, and all other outlets to only play "Yackety Sax" to accompany any riot-related video or newscasts.
Are you??
No, I'm an islamofascist.
No, I'm an islamofascist.
BTW, I'm a little curious how you got from me saying that islamofascist & commies work together to mean Arab spring supporters are islamofascist?
Glenn Beck is forcing the socialist workers party UK to organize both protest over police racism during the riots and also in support of Egyptian/Arab spring.
Who knew how powerful Glenn Beck is, he makes the commies unite with the islamofascist - he is forcing them to work together! how evil is he?