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You must not behave like this in a public place.
« on: May 22, 2009, 10:55:12 PM »
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Law enforcement personnel of Nevsky district of St. Petersburg are searching for a man who opened fire on a hooligan who accosted him.
As it became known to the correspondent of <the news service>, a  young man of 21 was rushed to the Aleksandrovsky hospital from 72 Metallist avenue with a gunshot wound to the head. Law enforcement officials have managed to discover that the victim and his friends were accosting people on the street.
According to the preliminary information, a man of middle age, who was also accosted by the young men, drew an Osa traumatic pistol, put it to the head of one them and with the words "You must not behave like this in a public place. You are disturbing the citizens' rest." shot him. After this, according to the victim's friends, the shooter calmly walked away humming a tune.
The investigation of the facts is continuing and criminal charges are being considered.

http://www.gazeta.ru/news/lenta/2009/05/22/n_1364466.shtml

A couple of notes:
This is St. Petersburg, Russia.
The link is in Russian, translation is mine.
An "Osa traumatic pistol" is a four shot derringer that fires .60 caliber 179 grain steel cored rubber bullets. That's what the state allows for self defense over there.

I can't tell from the article whether this was self defense or not. "Accosted" in newspaperspeak can be many things. However, I do have to give the man massive props for the great line.
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Re: You must not behave like this in a public place.
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2009, 01:14:58 AM »
That sounds like a line that should be delivered by ...

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Re: You must not behave like this in a public place.
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2009, 02:30:40 AM »
.60 caliber steel core, rubber jacket bullets. SWEET. I want some.

What kind of velocity can I expect from them?

Seriously, I would carry something like that....with my own modifications of course =D
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Re: You must not behave like this in a public place.
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2009, 02:54:22 AM »
"Osa traumatic pistol".  I really like the sound of that.

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from 72 Metallist avenue with a gunshot wound to the head.

Sounds like one Metallist who got a real headbanging.    :laugh:

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Re: You must not behave like this in a public place.
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2009, 04:57:09 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IvqwfNxmNs&NR=1
http://wapedia.mobi/en/Osa_(pistol)
very interesting, I want one for the ruffians in Cali  who don't need to be killed just shaken up a little.
this is some Russian guy volunteering for duty.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaGDtXgN0Eo
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Re: You must not behave like this in a public place.
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2009, 07:02:15 AM »
Quote from: gunsmith on May 23, 2009, 04:57:09 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IvqwfNxmNs&NR=1
http://wapedia.mobi/en/Osa_(pistol)
very interesting, I want one for the ruffians in Cali  who don't need to be killed just shaken up a little.
this is some Russian guy volunteering for duty.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaGDtXgN0Eo


Go back to 2:27 on that first video.  The guy is pointing at the sky (almost 40*) and gets a 10-ring hit?  No way!

Yes, I love the comment attributed to the older gentleman.  Just wonder what tune he was whistling as he strolled away.

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Re: You must not behave like this in a public place.
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2009, 07:39:34 AM »
Quote from: digitalandanalog on May 23, 2009, 02:30:40 AM
.60 caliber steel core, rubber jacket bullets. SWEET. I want some.

What kind of velocity can I expect from them?
About 394fps.

The thing is marketed as "non-lethal", but a headshot can kill if it hits right. The manufacturer specifies that it must be used COM.
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Re: You must not behave like this in a public place.
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2009, 07:40:05 AM »
None of you really wants an OSA. They're extremely unreliable, it appears, and sometimes just have parts of the 'pistol' snap off.

They exist because pistols are illegal in Russia for citizens, and so the local industry produces this sort of alternative.
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Re: You must not behave like this in a public place.
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2009, 08:04:06 AM »
Quote from: vaskidmark on May 23, 2009, 07:02:15 AM
Just wonder what tune he was whistling as he strolled away.

stay safe.

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Umm... Bohemian Rhapsody? The part at about 0:56  =D
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Re: You must not behave like this in a public place.
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2009, 09:43:26 AM »
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...criminal charges are being considered.

Against the stupid punks one hopes...
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Re: You must not behave like this in a public place.
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2009, 10:22:42 AM »
Quote from: White Horseradish on May 23, 2009, 08:04:06 AM
Umm... Bohemian Rhapsody? The part at about 0:56  =D

...but only because Another One Bites the Dust is harder to whistle.

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« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2009, 10:15:04 PM »
Yes apparently I agree with is they exist because pistols are illegal in Russia for citizens, then the local industries might produces this kind of sort of alternative... and behalf, when you're at that kind of public place you should behave like that...
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Re: You must not behave like this in a public place.
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2009, 10:33:05 PM »
Quote from: MicroBalrog on May 23, 2009, 07:40:05 AM
They exist because pistols are illegal in Russia for citizens, and so the local industry produces this sort of alternative.
What I find really hilarious is that the establishment over there has a love affair with ballistics. The surplus rifles that are sold there are either rebarreled or have hardened pins protruding into the bore to produce markings different from the military guns. Chambers are dimpled to mark brass. All rifles are required to be test fired and bullet and brass samples are kept on file. Rifle reloading is illegal. And yet, this "dumpling maker" is pretty much ballistically untraceable. Osa has no barrels in the normal sense to avoid being a pistol legally. The barrel is the casing of the cartridge. So, rubber projectile+smooth bore+barrel discarded after every shot. Trace that!

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Re: You must not behave like this in a public place.
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2009, 10:38:29 PM »
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They exist because pistols are illegal in Russia for citizens, and so the local industry produces this sort of alternative.

I'll take a (sub)standard gun over nothing any day of the week.

Something like that is just begging to made more lethal.

When the government denies the right to own weapons that are effective from the start...well, folks find a way to improve them. And I would too.

.60 caliber with a metal core moving at just a bit under 400 FPS with some home improvement would suit me just fine.
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Re: You must not behave like this in a public place.
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2009, 01:22:17 PM »
Quote from: digitalandanalog on May 24, 2009, 10:38:29 PM
I'll take a (sub)standard gun over nothing any day of the week.

Something like that is just begging to made more lethal.

When the government denies the right to own weapons that are effective from the start...well, folks find a way to improve them. And I would too.

.60 caliber with a metal core moving at just a bit under 400 FPS with some home improvement would suit me just fine.
Just make sure you keep quiet about it. Reloading anything other than shotgun shells is illegal there.

Osa ammunition does not lend itself to reloading very well, the designers had this in mind. It's electrically primed and the primer burns out on firing. There might be some issues with removing and replacing the projectile, too.
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Re: You must not behave like this in a public place.
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2009, 02:17:24 PM »
Wait wait wait.

This happened on the Nevsky? WHAT? People are accosting passers-by on the Nevsky now? Am I misunderstanding something?
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Re: You must not behave like this in a public place.
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2009, 04:20:35 PM »
From the coolness of the shooter's actions, sounds like ex-police or military.
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Re: You must not behave like this in a public place.
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2009, 05:03:28 PM »
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on a hooligan who accosted him.

Not sure what to make of the word "hooligan" but the word "accost" combined with "you must not behave like this in a public place" makes me wonder if the guy was propositioned.

A guess born of ignorance, I'm sure.
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Re: You must not behave like this in a public place.
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2009, 09:02:55 PM »
Quote from: MicroBalrog on May 25, 2009, 02:17:24 PM
Wait wait wait.

This happened on the Nevsky? WHAT? People are accosting passers-by on the Nevsky now? Am I misunderstanding something?
Yes, you are.  :laugh:  It was on Prospekt Metallistov (I have always loved that name) in Nevsky District. Not on Nevsky Prospekt.

Quote from: Cmdr. Gravez0r on May 25, 2009, 05:03:28 PM
Not sure what to make of the word "hooligan" but the word "accost" combined with "you must not behave like this in a public place" makes me wonder if the guy was propositioned.

A guess born of ignorance, I'm sure.
Hooligan is what in US is euphemistically called "urban youth" minus the racial component. "Accost" is the most direct translation I could come up with for the word used in the article. It sounds a little weird in Russian, too.

I kinda  doubt he was propositioned, Russia is severely anti-homosexual. I think this was more along the lines of a guy being from the wrong part of town.
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Re: You must not behave like this in a public place.
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2009, 09:53:02 PM »
Quote from: White Horseradish on May 25, 2009, 09:02:55 PM
I kinda  doubt he was propositioned, Russia is severely anti-homosexual.

But wouldn't that explain why the purported homosexual got shot in the head?   :lol:
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Re: You must not behave like this in a public place.
« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2009, 10:04:01 AM »
Quote from: White Horseradish on May 22, 2009, 10:55:12 PM
http://www.gazeta.ru/news/lenta/2009/05/22/n_1364466.shtml

A couple of notes:
This is St. Petersburg, Russia.
The link is in Russian, translation is mine.
An "Osa traumatic pistol" is a four shot derringer that fires .60 caliber 179 grain steel cored rubber bullets. That's what the state allows for self defense over there.

I can't tell from the article whether this was self defense or not. "Accosted" in newspaperspeak can be many things. However, I do have to give the man massive props for the great line.

I assume you're an English speaker as your native tongue (because you write in English as if you were)?

This line made me question the nuance of one particular word..."You are disturbing the citizens' rest"... I thought to myself that the Russian for "rest",  must be very close to "peace", "tranquility", "relaxation" or "a calm state of mind"...
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Re: You must not behave like this in a public place.
« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2009, 10:13:50 AM »
Quote from: Cmdr. Gravez0r on May 25, 2009, 05:03:28 PM
Not sure what to make of the word "hooligan" but the word "accost" combined with "you must not behave like this in a public place" makes me wonder if the guy was propositioned.

A guess born of ignorance, I'm sure.

    I kind of got the idea of it being an aggressive panhandler, or a kooky street person (not that the two are mutually exclusive).
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Re: You must not behave like this in a public place.
« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2009, 11:07:29 AM »
I wonder what caliber the rubber-coated steel balls that we took from about 100 old computer mice were.
Cheap ammo maybe.

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Re: You must not behave like this in a public place.
« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2009, 11:11:57 AM »
Quote from: Stand_watie on May 26, 2009, 10:13:50 AM
 I kind of got the idea of it being an aggressive panhandler, or a kooky street person (not that the two are mutually exclusive). 
Considering how some pandhandlers behave, I can readily see how a cranial OSA shot would be appropriate. (I've found that pepper spray works, but perhaps that isn't available in Russia?)
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Re: You must not behave like this in a public place.
« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2009, 11:40:20 AM »
His translation is a bit off. The original word is pristavat', which also means 'harass'.
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