Turkeys on Airplanes

[TommyGunn]

I want to borrow a velociraptor from Jurassic Park as my comfort animal.

[BlueStarLizzard]

Fine. I'm getting Raleigh a service harness. Comfort cat.

[Angel Eyes]

He's crepuscular, get him boys!

Babou!  Serpentine!

[dogmush]

This thread got me googling a little.  Interestingly The ADA has changed their definition of "Service Animal" to mean dog.

The air Carrier Access act has not.  I wonder if folks legislatures are fed up with this crap as well.  These folks could be the service animal community's version of Open Carry Texas.

http://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.html

[Fitz]

This thread got me googling a little.  Interestingly The ADA has changed their definition of "Service Animal" to mean dog.

The air Carrier Access act has not.  I wonder if folks legislatures are fed up with this crap as well.  These folks could be the service animal community's version of Open Carry Texas.

http://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.html

Yep. Bunch of dipshits that give folks who need them a bad name.

and don't get me started on "emotional support animals"

Otherwise known as "service animals that DONT ACTUALLY PERFORM ANY TASKS, BUT THEY MAKE MUH FEELS FEEL GOOD SO I NEEDS THEM"

There are some very specific tasks that Willie will have to do for me (I think the requirement is three disability-specific tasks) before he can be called a service dog, in addition to the standard public access test. Any dog who can do it is quite well behaved (which is why willie has a long way to go. The rambunctious dipshit. LOL)

I love my dog, but man he's a fuckface. I frequently say "He's a real fuckface. But he's MY fuckface and I love him"

[HeroHog]

Yep. Bunch of dipshits that give folks who need them a bad name.

and don't get me started on "emotional support animals"

Otherwise known as "service animals that DONT ACTUALLY PERFORM ANY TASKS, BUT THEY MAKE MUH FEELS FEEL GOOD SO I NEEDS THEM"

We say these people have an unhealthy emotional attachment to an animal that they will more than likely outlive and who will be even worse off when they pass.

[BlueStarLizzard]

We say these people have an unhealthy emotional attachment to an animal that they will more than likely outlive and who will be even worse off when they pass.

Yeah, but the weird part is that many of people who are disturbingly attached to their pet aren't actually emotionally attached to THE animal. Oh, sure they can give you chapter and verse on it's pooping habits and rush to the vet at any sign of anything, but they rarely have any sort of grip on the animals actual personality and what little personality they ascribe to the pet is usually not the animal's personality but their own.
Mind you, the pets in question are usually barely one step above a rock in terms of intelligence, but I have reached the conclusion that it is due to being raised by someone who didn't ever allow them to develop beyond mindless puppy stage.
They don't want a pet dog or cat. They are just attached to their mobile stuffed animal and they seem to be able to replace it fairly easily.

I've had dogs that are really, honestly, dumb. I've met even more. I mean, for christ sake, I had a flipping beagle. It really doesn't get much dumber.  But these dumb dogs with good owners, who actually put some effort into getting the animals to think ultimately have smarter dogs than dogs that are actually are capable of being intelligent, but had the misfortune of ending up with dumb owners.

[RoadKingLarry]

 

We say these people have an unhealthy emotional attachment to an animal that they will more than likely outlive and who will be even worse off when they pass.

Oh, there is a solution to that problem...

[Hawkmoon]

Did you know that a sick person who vomits is not allowed to fly for two hours after vomiting?

Does that mean if a passenger vomits at 30,000 feet you're allowed to jettison the aforementioned passenger?

[Regolith]

keep in mind that a great number of "service dogs" aren't actually service dogs. since the ACA says that nobody can ask for proof, people just strap a vest on so that they can take FiFi to the restaurant/store with them

Around here, they don't even bother with the vest...

[Fly320s]

Does that mean if a passenger vomits at 30,000 feet you're allowed to jettison the aforementioned passenger?

Yes, but the door is difficult to open.

[Tuco]

Are service animals subject to TSA search? 
I mean, with the short retention time of dogs, they could be used to smuggle all sorts of contraband and travel size shampoo and dead muskrats.
Seems like a safety risk.

Harnesses through the metal detector. The commotion!
And the little doggy boots. Do they need to take them off before boarding?

My gods, if the snackbars get ahold of this we're all doomed!!

[MechAg94]

Yes, but the door is difficult to open.

You mean you don't have a trap door just outside the cockpit?

[KD5NRH]

There are some very specific tasks that Willie will have to do for me (I think the requirement is three disability-specific tasks) before he can be called a service dog,

Can humping other people's legs be one of the tasks, if watching my comfort ocelot get jiggy with unwilling participants is effective in improving my mood?

[Fly320s]

You mean you don't have a trap door just outside the cockpit?

Sadly, no.

[seeker_two]

If I have to fly, I take my service skunk.....I hate crowded airplanes.

[roo_ster]

I love my dog, but man he's a fuckface. I frequently say "He's a real fuckface. But he's MY fuckface and I love him"

BTDT.  Oddly, it works.

[Fitz]

BTDT.  Oddly, it works.

Yep. I just wish he did better on car rides. And not going apeshit all the time

He goes into full retard excited dog mode with very little provocation

[Scout26]

Yep. I just wish he did better on car rides. And not going apeshit all the time

He goes into full retard excited dog mode with very little provocation

Maybe he needs to get laid...

[vaskidmark]

Yep. Bunch of dipshits that give folks who need them a bad name.

and don't get me started on "emotional support animals"

Otherwise known as "service animals that DONT ACTUALLY PERFORM ANY TASKS, BUT THEY MAKE MUH FEELS FEEL GOOD SO I NEEDS THEM"

There are some very specific tasks that Willie will have to do for me (I think the requirement is three disability-specific tasks) before he can be called a service dog, in addition to the standard public access test. Any dog who can do it is quite well behaved (which is why willie has a long way to go. The rambunctious dipshit. LOL)

I love my dog, but man he's a fuckface. I frequently say "He's a real fuckface. But he's MY fuckface and I love him"

Couple of questions:

- Who says Willie needs to perform three disability-specific tasks?

- Who sets the standard for "public access" (and what are they)?

Was at the VA today and saw an emotional support dog in action at the Starfu*ks kiosk.  Young lady who has a history of going medieval at the lightest instance of not getting what she wants the way she wants it when she wants it  (either a drill sergeant or PTSD from 4 deployments - pick door #2) being shoulder-pushed and nose-bumped away from the counter after being told they have to brew some more decaf.  Was either a yellow lab or golden retriever - I still sometimes get them confused.

So would that be 2 specific tasks?  Recognizing building stress before it erupts, and action to remove her from what is causing the stress?

Also know someone with severe agoraphobia who wheels her Pekinese in a doggy-stroller and seems able to cope being out & about.  Not sure how many tasks the dog is performing besides just being there.

stay safe.

[vaskidmark]

Maybe he needs to get laid...

http://www.neuticles.com/

Good for anybody that spends time in the doghouse.

stay safe.

[Fitz]

Couple of questions:

- Who says Willie needs to perform three disability-specific tasks?

- Who sets the standard for "public access" (and what are they)?

Was at the VA today and saw an emotional support dog in action at the Starfu*ks kiosk.  Young lady who has a history of going medieval at the lightest instance of not getting what she wants the way she wants it when she wants it  (either a drill sergeant or PTSD from 4 deployments - pick door #2) being shoulder-pushed and nose-bumped away from the counter after being told they have to brew some more decaf.  Was either a yellow lab or golden retriever - I still sometimes get them confused.

So would that be 2 specific tasks?  Recognizing building stress before it erupts, and action to remove her from what is causing the stress?

Also know someone with severe agoraphobia who wheels her Pekinese in a doggy-stroller and seems able to cope being out & about.  Not sure how many tasks the dog is performing besides just being there.

stay safe.

Emotional support dog and service dog are two separate things. There aren't any standards of training for ESAs, and they don't have to do anything

The public access test Is pretty standard but I'm not aware of who came up with it. In practice, it's a step up from canine good citizen


And yeah, recognizing and intervening (self harm for certain disorders, for example, or your example) would count.

For Willie, covering is one . On command, or when he senses agitation, he forms a barrier by standing in front of me sideways , keeping people away

[BlueStarLizzard]

Skid, I also have experience with a service dog that was provided for more of "emotional" support, and by that I mean a dog that was provided for dealing with mental health issues.

Banjo was well trained, obedient and certified at the state level. Her owner did not take her out and about, but could have (the real bulk of Banjo's duties were at home anyway)

These emotional support animals are untrained and my real beef with them is that they are a public nuisance precisely because they are untrained. They lack basic leash skills, recall and basic obedience skills, making them a danger to themselves, their owner and the public at large ( example: dog gets lose, runs in traffic, unstable owner flips out and chases dog into traffic, car hits dog/owner, driver injured)

Service dogs are trained. They have recall. They will not leave their owners side without specific command. They are trustworthy under almost all circumstances, which is why they are allowed to go everywhere with their owner. Not only do they provide the owner with an invaluable service, but they also can be trusted in public.

[KD5NRH]

Was either a yellow lab or golden retriever - I still sometimes get them confused.

Did it look like a giant dust mop or a four legged idiot?  (Still slightly brighter than an Irish setter - which is sort of like saying a bit more pleasant than being Roseanne Barr's gynecologist.)

[Doggy Daddy]

Ah, yes.  One of my most entertaining topics to cover during classroom training of new drivers.  Saved for the third or fourth day, after they've gotten themselves some time invested and are less likely to not show up the next day.  First mention of the "seeing eye snake" gets their attention focused for the rest of the topic.  You can see their eyes glaze over as they imagine someone boarding the bus with a miniature horse assistance animal.  Another topic of amusement is the Segway as mobility device.  Allowed?  Not allowed? Does it have to be secured, and if so, how do you do it?

New class starts this Monday.  I've saved the turkey article from the Fox News page.  I'm strongly considering running it up on the projector screen.