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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Jim147 on November 19, 2009, 11:39:52 PM
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10-year-old is tasered by officer in Arkansas
Police report calls it 'very, very brief' stun to get her into patrol car
updated 11:12 a.m. CT, Wed., Nov . 18, 2009
OZARK, Ark. - Ozark Police Chief Jim Noggle says one of his officers used a Taser on a 10-year-old girl who was combative when the officer tried to get the girl into a patrol car to be taken to a youth shelter.
Noggle said Tuesday that officer Dustin Bradshaw went to the girl's home after her mother called police woman called police.dshaw on Thursday, the officer found the girl on the floor of the house screaming and crying. She refused to follow her mother's instructions and the mother told Bradshaw to use his Taser.
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Bradshaw carried the girl to the living roomand told her she was going to jail, according to the report. The girl was violently kicking, the report said, and struck Bradshaw in the groin with her legs and feet.
The report said Bradshaw administered a "very, very brief" stun with the Taser, put the girl in handcuffs and carried her to his patrol car. She was taken to the Western Arkansas Youth Shelter in Cecil.
According to a report filed by Bra
I don't know who to beat worse the mother or the cop.
jim
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Wow. A mom calls the cops on her 10-year-old daughter. The cops actually come out. When the cop on scene hears the facts of the case, he actually comes in.
I wouldn't've come in, myself. Your daughter's lack of desire for sleep is not a police matter.
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The Taser is the only twist. It's not that uncommon for parents to call the cops when they can't handle their kids.
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It's not that uncommon for parents to call the cops when they can't handle their kids.
Which is the truly disturbing thing about this story.
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The word you were looking for is your.
But yeah, I'm amazed anyone has faith in the police anymore.
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So, what are the chances this child will grow up with a health attitude towards law enforcement now?
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So much is wrong here. Obviously if a mother needs to call the cops on her 10-year old girl, the child has serious issues - whether the mother hasn't been doing her job, the girl has mental problems, or some other unknown issue is going on. That's what stinks about reading articles like this, you're more than likely just getting part of the story. I doubt all details have been given to make a fair judgement here. But if the child is violently kicking the officers in the groin, sorry, but I'd use a taser too. I don't care how old she is. If she's just being an ass, then maybe that's exactly what she needed to learn that she can't just act any way she wants whenever she wants and she needs to respect people in authority. Again, if she has mental problems, that's a different story. Either way, she obviously has major issues and will probably grow up to be very familiar with the cops in whatever area she lives in. =|
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I'd have tazed the mother.
No, I'm not serious, or am I?
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Unless there's some medical issue here, it sounds like the 10 year old girl was seriously in need of a long-overdue spanking.
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I'm speachless. You're thoughts?
A dictionary can help.
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she needed to learn that she can't just act any way she wants whenever she wants and she needs to respect people in authori -tay.
There we go, much better. =D
But yah... there is this really twisted but popular view of the sanctity of the body that forbids the laying on hands. For some reason, tazers are viewed in a far more favorable light than a hand or a baton. Perception > Reality.
No matter how warped. P > R
It will only continue to get worse.
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10 year old was obviously in need of a much overdue good old fashioned spanking. Probably would have prevented the wole mess.
Of course on the the other hand. If mom had spanked the little darling it is a simple matter for the little princess to make a call to DHS/CPS and punish mom for such brutish behaviour by sending her to jail for child abuse.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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It's not that uncommon for parents to call the cops when they can't handle their kids.
Can you blame them, when many parents are rightfully afraid that 'beating' their children will get them locked behind bars? Same thing in schools. When children act up, the teachers have no choice but to call the police, since they are not allowed to do anything else to discipline the students.
Pretty much the only reason I would EVER call the police in any situation, it's because taking the situation into my own hands would be illegal.
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Yeah, a parent can escalate a conflict until she proves to the kid that the parent controls the ultimate escalation.
The ultimate escalation might be hitting the kid or calling the cops or having the kid tased.
Alternatively, the parent could grow up and stop letting the kid play games of escalating drama.
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Can you blame them, when many parents are rightfully afraid that 'beating' their children will get them locked behind bars? Same thing in schools. When children act up, the teachers have no choice but to call the police, since they are not allowed to do anything else to discipline the students.
Pretty much the only reason I would EVER call the police in any situation, it's because taking the situation into my own hands would be illegal.
I think this is often the case.
1) Many "experts" have convinced parents that physical discipline is ALWAYS inappropriate and harmful.
2) Many states have made any physcial disicpline subject to possible prosecution.
As a result, parents are often either unwilling, afraid or, even, unable to discipline their children.
If we don't want parents getting the police involved in family matters (*that are better handled by the parents), perhaps we should stop sending police into family matters (*that are better handled by the parents).
I do not know if it is justified, but many parents are very afraid that someone may call the police and child protective services if this random stranger decides their punishment is too harsh. Having that level of regulation of family decisions will necessarily lead to stupid situations like this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_I_and_type_II_errors
While preventing abuse is a noble goal, our society has developed an aversion to Type 2 errors. As a result, we see far too many Type 1 errors, leading to an oversensitivity towards punishment. (i.e. we want to be absolutely sure that abuse is not happening, so we create problems for families where no abuse is happening JUST TO BE SURE no abuse it happening.)
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Just how common is this 'parents calling police on children' thing?
Is it one case in a thousand families in a year? One in a million?
I don't think it's likely to be such a common problem.
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Unless there's some medical issue here, it sounds like the 10 year old girl was seriously in need of a long-overdue spanking.
That is undoubtedly correct ... except that in today's liberal society, spanking is now considered "child abuse." And then the bleeding hearts wonder why kids grow up to be delinquents ...
If it's okay for a police officer to taze an unruly kid, maybe the moral of this story is that parents should all turn in their belts and hair brushes (I was paddled with both, and I survived with no scars) and be issued tasers.
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And then the bleeding hearts wonder why kids grow up to be delinquents ...
How does this have anything to do with spanking? Crime (especially murder and other serious crimes) are lower today than in the age where spanking was common.
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How does this have anything to do with spanking? Crime (especially murder and other serious crimes) are lower today than in the age where spanking was common.
Hey, don't bring up facts!
I am not sure I can imagine a situation where I would *need* a taser to control an unarmed ten year old girl (and you are only supposed to use them if you *need* them, right?). That officer is going to get a lot of crap in the locker room.
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How does this have anything to do with spanking? Crime (especially murder and other serious crimes) are lower today than in the age where spanking was common.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/tables/totalstab.htm
Huh?
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But yah... there is this really twisted but popular view of the sanctity of the body that forbids the laying on hands. For some reason, tazers are viewed in a far more favorable light than a hand or a baton.
Agreed. Parents shouldn't be discouraged from spanking their children.
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How does this have anything to do with spanking? Crime (especially murder and other serious crimes) are lower today than in the age where spanking was common.
Only if you choose, say, the mid 1970s as your "age when spanking was common."
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I think I'll chose the year 1946, the year to watch. It was the year Dr. Spock came out with "Baby and Child Care." It was a smash best-seller. And as the objects of Dr. Spock's no-spank technique came of voting age, you can see above, the crime rate went nuts.
TBH, I think the "Dr. Spock casued the crime wave" argument as weak as the "Crime (especially murder and other serious crimes) are lower today than in the age where spanking was common."
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Any police officer who uses a taser on anyone other than a combative person who is crazy, drugged, drunk or combination of the aforementioned , especially one who is not yet in high school or is collecting social security ought to get another job.
If the police officer is not able to determine rather rapidly whether a person is crazy, drunk, drugged, or combination of the aforementioned should also seek other employment. A police officers peace shall not be distrurbed and it is his function to halt any disturbance.
Political correctness has allowed people to become police officers that shouldn't be. Cops should be a minimum of 6'0" tall and weigh at least 190 lbs. The bigger the better. Size matters in police work. I know. I did the work.
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http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/tables/totalstab.htm
Huh?
Thank you for demonstrating a rate of homicide lower than at any time in the last 40 years. However, I am uncertain how this is proof of anything. To date, no US state has actually banned this practice. The anti-corporal-punishment movement had not even gotten going in Europe until in the 1970's. All of the European countries where corporal punishment in the home is illegal are now exceedingly safe in terms of violent crime.
P.S. Spanking has not gone away in the US. Up to 50% of US parents believe it to be a proper form of discipline.
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Thank you for demonstrating a rate of homicide lower than at any time in the last 40 years. However, I am uncertain how this is proof of anything. To date, no US state has actually banned this practice. The anti-corporal-punishment movement had not even gotten going in Europe until in the 1970's. All of the European countries where corporal punishment in the home is illegal are now exceedingly safe in terms of violent crime.
P.S. Spanking has not gone away in the US. Up to 50% of US parents believe it to be a proper form of discipline.
Huh.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/spankin2.htm
Current status in Europe:
Seventeen states ban corporal punishment of children both in the home, school, and elsewhere: Sweden (1979), Finland (1983), Norway (1987), Austria (1989), Cyprus (1994), Italy (1996), Denmark (1997), Latvia (1998), Croatia (1999),
Bulgaria and Germany (2000),
Romania and Ukraine (2004),
Hungary (2005),
Greece, Netherlands, and Portugal (2007). 4
http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/rwinslow/europe/sweden.html
INCIDENCE OF CRIME
The crime rate in Sweden is high compared to other industrialized countries. An analysis was done using INTERPOL data for Sweden. For purpose of comparison, data were drawn for the seven offenses used to compute the United States FBI's index of crime. Index offenses include murder, forcible rape, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, larceny, and motor vehicle theft. The combined total of these offenses constitutes the Index used for trend calculation purposes. Sweden will be compared with Japan (country with a low crime rate) and USA (country with a high crime rate). According to the INTERPOL data, for murder, the rate in 2001 was 10.01 per 100,000 population for Sweden, 1.10 for Japan, and 5.61 for USA. For rape, the rate in 2001 was 23.39 for Sweden, compared with 1.78 for Japan and 31.77 for USA. For robbery, the rate in 2001 was 95.83 for Sweden, 4.08 for Japan, and 148.50 for USA. For aggravated assault, the rate in 2001 was 667.42 for Sweden, 23.78 for Japan, and 318.55 for USA. For burglary, the rate in 2001 was 1323.90 for Sweden, 233.60 for Japan, and 740.80 for USA. The rate of larceny for 2001 was 6988.81 for Sweden, 1401.26 for Japan, and 2484.64 for USA. The rate for motor vehicle theft in 2001 was 495.21 for Sweden, compared with 44.28 for Japan and 430.64 for USA. The rate for all index offenses combined was 9604.57 for Sweden, compared with 1709.88 for Japan and 4160.51 for USA. (Note that Japan data are for year 2000)
The data reported to INTERPOL make it appear that Sweden is perhaps the most crime ridden country in the world; however, these findings should be tempered by comparison with data reported to the United Nations. In the UN reports, murders are referred to as "intentional homicides." Aggravated assaults are referred to as "major assaults," and larcenies are referred to as "thefts." According to the United Nations Sixth Annual Survey on Crime, crime recorded in police statistics shows the crime rate for the combined total of all Index crimes in Sweden to be 6981.48, per 100,000 inhabitants in 1997. This compares with 1345.94 for Japan (country with a low crime rate) and 4930.06 for USA (country with high crime rate). For intentional homicides, the rate in 1997 was 1.77 for Sweden, 0.54 for Japan, and 6.80 for USA. For major assaults, the rate in 1997 was 37.93 for Sweden, compared with 20.91 for Japan, and 382.31 for USA. For rapes, the rate in 1997 was 14.71 for Sweden, 1.31 for Japan, and 35.93 for USA. For robberies, the rate in 1997 was 75.04 for Sweden, 2.23 for Japan, and 186.27 for USA. For automobile theft, the rate in 1997 was 890.75 for Sweden, 213.49 for Japan, and 505.99 for USA. The rate of burglaries for 1997 was 1664.41 for Sweden, 175.81 for Japan, and 919.35 for USA. The rate for thefts in 1997 was 4296.87 for Sweden, compared with 931.65 for Japan and 2893.41 for USA. It should be observed that the above data reveal that comparatively speaking, Sweden has a low crime rate in regard to murder and major assault, a medium crime rate in regard to rape and robbery, and an exceedingly high rate in regard to property crimes (burglary, larceny, and auto theft). The discrepancies between the data reported to the United Nations for 1997 and those reported to INTERPOL for 2001 are partly explained by Sweden’s peculiar method of reporting murder and assault. Murders reported to INTERPOL included both attempted and completed acts of murder, while "major assaults" included both simple and aggravated assaults. These statistical anomalies for Sweden actually obscure the actual low to moderate rate of the most serious crimes (murder, aggravated assault, rape, and robbery), and this point is important. Sweden actually prioritizes its treatment of crime in the criminal justice system giving priority to the serious crimes, and often diverting property crimes to out of court settlement by the police or prosecutors, often in the form of "day-fines."
TRENDS IN CRIME
Between 1995 and 2001, according to INTERPOL data, the rate of murder increased from 9.00 to 10.01 per 100,000 population, an increase of 11.2%. The rate for rape increased from 19.00 to 23.39, an increase of 23.1%. The rate of robbery increased from 65.00 to 95.83, an increase of 47.4%. The rate for aggravated assault increased from 616.00 to 667.42, an increase of 8.3%. The rate for burglary decreased from 1615.00 to 1323.90, a decrease of 18.0%. The rate of larceny increased from 5861.39 to 6988.81, an increase of 19.2%. (Note: larceny data are from 1996 – not reported for 1995) The rate of motor vehicle theft decreased from 659.00 to 495.21, a decrease of 24.9%. The rate of total index offenses increased from 2983.00 to 2615.76, an increase of 8.6%.
The above findings should be contrasted with those reported by Sweden to the United Nations. According to those findings, between 1995 and 1997 the rate for all recorded Index offenses increased from 6339.51 to 6981.48 per 100,000 in Sweden, an increase of 10.1%. The rate of intentional homicide decreased from 2.04 to 1.77, a decrease of 13.2%. The rate for major assaults decreased from 42.92 to 37.93, a decrease of 11.6%. The rate of rape decreased from 15.43 to 14.71, a decrease of 4.7%. The rate for robberies increased from 65.08 to 75.04 per 100,000, an increase of 15.3%. The rate for automobile theft increased from 790.05 to 890.75, an increase of 11.9%. The rate of burglaries increased from 1614.40 to 1664.41, an increase of 3.1%. Thefts increased from 3803.59 to 4296.87, an increase of 13%. In the UN data, violent crimes murder, major assaults, and rape are going down, while property crimes robbery, burglary, larceny, and auto theft are increasing in Sweden, owed as will be discussed to priorities in the criminal justice system.
Please note, I picked Sweden randomly. Other countries may have a different experience (in fact, one source I found said Sweden's crime rate was increasing compared to Norway and Denmark, two other countries that have outlawed corporal punishment: http://dev.prenhall.com/divisions/hss/worldreference/SE/crime.html)
I think you will find the data is not so clear as you suppose.
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Political correctness has allowed people to become police officers that shouldn't be. Cops should be a minimum of 6'0" tall and weigh at least 190 lbs. The bigger the better. Size matters in police work. I know. I did the work.
A LEO buddy of mine is 6'3" and ~250lbs when lean. If he has been riding a desk, he pushes 300lbs.
Funny thing is, even when he was a detective and working crimes that called for no brute strength, his fellow LEOs often asked him to come along to serve warrants. I think it was not just for his ability to fight when fighting was needed, but his presence helped prevent fighting the way some highly-motivated & capable 110lb female LEO could not.
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Note I do not claim that a ban on corporal punishment within the home will reduce crime. I claim merely that such a ban has not been shown to cause some form of violence crisis.
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"but his presence helped prevent fighting the way some highly-motivated & capable 110lb female LEO could not"
Exactly. I have lived that experience. In my day, smaller officers were involved more often in physical confrontations that the really big guys. I was 6'1" and a lean 190#. I would have considered myself at the low end of height and weight that would be good. We had quite a number of guys that were 6'3" and 200-210. I was involved in situations that either wound up violent or had much potential for it. The bigger the guys with the badges, the less likely the trouble.
Sometimes size didn't matter due to the physical and mental state of the trouble. I found a proper nightstick to be a much more efficient tool, with many different uses that served to stop stuff, than mace, which was an experiment with our dept.
I was the first person to use mace in our dept. way back in the mid 60's. All it did was imobilize my partner. :P =D I used my baton, ultimately, to end the problem. I think tasers are risky and should not be used unless the officer is one on one with an obviously dangerous party or outnumbered. Too often I see tasers used as a weapon of convenience rather than one of necessity.
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This debate ultimately serves only to demonstrate the weakness of sociology as a "science." When all you can demonstrate is correlation, maybe, kinda your conclusions reflect your bias and nothing else.
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10 year old was obviously in need of a much overdue good old fashioned spanking. Probably would have prevented the wole mess.
Of course on the the other hand. If mom had spanked the little darling it is a simple matter for the little princess to make a call to DHS/CPS and punish mom for such brutish behaviour by sending her to jail for child abuse.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
i think the spanking would have done a lot more good long before the brat hit 10. also, correcting behavior is started before kids get old enough to figure out to call athoritys to get out of disapline.
jeez, i had it down pat by the time i was 4 or 5. warning, second warning (raised voice at this point) and then a few solid swats to the rear and time out. by the time i was 10? i had changed my tatics from hissy fit to pleading and puppy eyes to stay up past bedtime. bonus points: puppy dog eyes often worked. =D
as for tasers. can we take them away already. it seems like every other day someone gets tased that shouldn't be tased. the cops can have them back when they learn to use them better.
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To the anti-taser folk: would you prefer if the officer used a nightstick? Why or why not? The question should be "Was use of force needed?" not "How did they apply that force?"
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To the anti-taser folk: would you prefer if the officer used a nightstick? Why or why not? The question should be "Was use of force needed?" not "How did they apply that force?"
i'm not anti taser really. its a good tool for cops. they can take down a violent/aggressive suspect with minimal damage.
however, cops seem to be using it as a crutch.
I understand that they don't want to get hurt. i really get that, but if your gonna become a cop, you should be aware that you may have to get physical and you may very well get hurt.
but tasing a 10 year old? an older women trying to run on foot? seriously? thats just lazy.
my point is, make these officers that are using bad judgement on use of force go without their crutch until the learn how to use it appropriatly. and don't tell me that their supervisors can't peg who those guys/gals are before they do something stupid that ends up on the 6 o'clock news.
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I agree that bad cops shouldn't be given tasers. I just prefer they also not have mace, nightsticks, guns, or badges.
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Balog,
The nightstick or baton is a tool that has many uses. One doesn't just swat someone in the head with it. It can be applied to certain areas of the body such as face, neck, arms, hands, shoulders, collar bone, ribs, solar plexus, shins and used to tangle up the feet of someone attempting to flee. It's like any tool, one needs to know what it's capabilities are and then train in their use. If used in places other than the head, use of it is non fatal for sure.
With the taser, death can result at any time and has shown itself to be rather ineffective as noted by the use of multiple shocks. A mentally unstable and violent young man was killed just a couple days ago in East Grand Rapids, here in West Michigan. He was tased 4 times by two rather substantially sized police officers.
Sometimes police officers get a fat lip or two, some scrapes and bruises and torn clothes in the line of duty. It's part of the job. So the taser is employed rather than using physical force with either no effect or catastrophic effect. It's use has become one of convenience sometimes/oftentimes? rather than necessity as I mentioned in my earlier post.
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I agree that bad cops shouldn't be given tasers. I just prefer they also not have mace, nightsticks, guns, or badges.
you know, i wouldn't even say that all of them sound like bad cops. this guy with the kid, he got kicked in the nuts before he tased the kid. to me, he sounds like he was trying to do his job, but lost his cool when he got hurt.
my point is (and i know you guys are gonna cringe a bit on this) he should have sucked up and kept at it, not tase her.
he got frustrated and thought "non lethel taser, i'm done!" instead of "well shiznits that hurt! she's 10 so maybe if i can't get her without getting hurt i'll call for help."
which is why you take his taser and tell him, NEXT time you get into it with a suspect you wouldn't use a gun or a baton or mace on, you won't be using a taser either! (actually, i'd take his mace too)
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I'd just ask this:
What LAW did the little girl break that necessitated the officer ENFORCING some law?
I think it was 100% inappropriate for the officer to get involved in what is essentially a parental control issue. If he truly felt that "authori-tay" needed to get involved in this situation... his taser is the wrong implement. The taser is for protecting the public safety. NOT for asserting his authori-tay. Any more than the pistol on his hip.
All that was happening was some noise from the brat. A call to CPS would get a child case worker out there with the psychological training to deal with bratty eff'ed up kids without using mace/nightstick/taser/gun on them.
This was an inappropriate escalation of force on private property where no discernible crime was committed, IMO.
If mom authorized this tasing... and mom didn't press charges or seek further involvement with CPS... then I want mom run up the river for child abuse.
You don't use tasers as disciplinary tools. Period.
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I'd just ask this:
What LAW did the little girl break that necessitated the officer ENFORCING some law?
they might try to get her with domestic abuse to the mother, or something along those lines.
i think thats what my mom was going for when i was 14. (yes, my mom called the cops on me. a verbal fight in the house escalated and she went to hit me so i pushed her off me. my dad witnessed the whole thing, and the fact that i tried to get her to calm down, but she was off her rocker at the time so...)
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Let me ask this:
Assume you're walking along the sidewalk at your neighborhood park, and you come across a police officer with taser drawn and pointed at a 10 year old throwing a temper tantrum. No weapon evident on the kid's part. No violence against anyone, just an impotent parent standing to the side urging the cop to tase.
What do you do as a responsible member of your community?
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Let me ask this:
Assume you're walking along the sidewalk at your neighborhood park, and you come across a police officer with taser drawn and pointed at a 10 year old throwing a temper tantrum. No weapon evident on the kid's part. No violence against anyone, just an impotent parent standing to the side urging the cop to tase.
What do you do as a responsible member of your community?
Use my cell phone camcorder to take video, then post on youtube?
Seems like the most effective way to get peoples attention in the computer age.
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Let me ask this:
Assume you're walking along the sidewalk at your neighborhood park, and you come across a police officer with taser drawn and pointed at a 10 year old throwing a temper tantrum. No weapon evident on the kid's part. No violence against anyone, just an impotent parent standing to the side urging the cop to tase.
What do you do as a responsible member of your community?
good question. *puts on pondering cap*
good men do nothing, evil....
yeah, i'd go after the officer and hope like hell someone is there to witness it, and be able to tell the courts.
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Use my cell phone camcorder to take video, then post on youtube?
Seems like the most effective way to get peoples attention in the computer age.
better for making a point. kid could still get tased though. =|
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better for making a point. kid could still get tased though. =|
Well, yea. But it's not nearly as likely to result in getting shot from attacking an officer.
I wouldn't get between the kid and the cop. Excellent way to get shot or at least charged with "Interfering with a police investigation". Plus, just happening on the situation, you don't know the whole story. Things aren't always as they appear.
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To the anti-taser folk: would you prefer if the officer used a nightstick? Why or why not? The question should be "Was use of force needed?" not "How did they apply that force?"
The problem is exactly that some officers seem to believe tasers can be used in a situation in which a baton or mace would never be used.
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Well, yea. But it's not nearly as likely to result in getting shot from attacking an officer.
I wouldn't get between the kid and the cop. Excellent way to get shot or at least charged with "Interfering with a police investigation". Plus, just happening on the situation, you don't know the whole story. Things aren't always as they appear.
This. In the hypothetical, the cop probably knows more about the situation than you do. He might have been told that the kid just shot somebody, but you can't see the gun.
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I'm with Nick: better a kid gets tased than I get shot or become a felon. I have my own family to think of. Now, if a cop is beating someone in handcuffs or something, maybe. But I don't want to judge a situation too quickly without all info. What if it was like that case a few years back where a kid attacked a cop with iirc a knife or piece of glass or something?
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The problem is exactly that some officers seem to believe tasers can be used in a situation in which a baton or mace would never be used.
As has been said countless times before, police procedures often call for the use of a taser before even laying hands on a suspect or applying physical force/coercion. No one on these forums ever seems to remember that. The police officer was likely trained and knows when to use a taser much better than anyone on this forum.
In this case, the first time the cop tried to lay hands on the kid, he got kicked in the nads and the kid was fighting all the way. After the taser, he apparently got better cooperation. The way it was described, it sounded like he just brushed the kid with the end of the taser pistol real quick. He didn't shoot her with the barbs and light her up a bunch of times. This sounds a lot more justified than some of the speeding ticket incidents.
Now, whether the cop should have been involved at all is a whole nother question and I don't know the answer. However, as LawDog has said on his forum, if the cops are called out to the house, likely someone is going for a ride in the back of the police car. If you don't like that, don't call the cops.
The really sad thing to me is the mother is apparently incompetent and the kid got thrown in a home at least temporarily. That sucks all around.
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sorry guys, your right, i wouldn't know the situation and yeah it could be really bad and the cop correct. but i'm not sure i can watch a 10 year old get tased. =(
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sorry guys, your right, i wouldn't know the situation and yeah it could be really bad and the cop correct. but i'm not sure i can watch a 10 year old get tased. =(
Please be clear that I am not saying I like the idea of tasing 10 year olds, but this isn't the first such incident and I don't hear much about police departments changing procedures or firing the officers involved. Someone in authority in various departments thinks the current policies are the best option.
Obviously, the best option here would have been for the mother to take care of things and leave the cops out of it completely.
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Please be clear that I am not saying I like the idea of tasing 10 year olds.
i would never think that anyone on this site advocated taseing kids. =)
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i can think of a couple 10 year olds i would cheerfully taze so long as i can taze their parents too
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i would never think that anyone on this site advocated taseing kids. =)
I've known more than a few that were more than deserving. Of course 99% of the time the fault lies with the parents.
I wanted to get dog training collars for my kids but the wife wouldn't let me. =|
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Don't you know that officer safety is paramount? Physically challenging a 10 year old girls could of resulted in bruises and abrasions.
Seriously though, I suspect this isn't the first time the cops have been called to this house. The mother is probably as crazy as the kid.
I think that single female head- of -households is a far greater problem these days than small cops. Something is seriously wrong when a 10 year old cannot be controlled by her mother, and has no respect for cops.
I fail to see what spanking has to do with anything. If pain is the only way to get your 10 year old to behave, you waited about 8 years too long to do it, and/or have zero parenting skills now.
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sorry guys, your right, i wouldn't know the situation and yeah it could be really bad and the cop correct. but i'm not sure i can watch a 10 year old get tased. =(
Never seen a really nasty 10 year old in peak form, I take it?
The circumstances around this story are certainly a bit odd, but I don't have much problem with the cop's response. Anyone who attacks or fights a cop has to expect the cop to fight back. I don't have a problem with cops using tasers (or batons, or fists, or guns) when appropriate. The cop doesn't appear to have used unreasonable force, he just responded in kind and as necessary to protect himself.
Morals of the story: Keep your kid under control. Don't kick cops in the balls. (Heck, don't kick anyone, anywhere.)
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I fail to see what spanking has to do with anything. If pain is the only way to get your 10 year old to behave, you waited about 8 years too long to do it, and/or have zero parenting skills now.
That's what spanking has to do with it. You're right that the kid probably needs a father more than anything else, and spanking is no panacea, but a few spankings earlier in life would have taught the girl a few lessons about authority, disobedience and pain; before she had to learn it from a cop with a taser. =(
On the subject of ten-year-olds in peak form:
There was a girl that we picked up on the Sunday school bus who'd throw fits from time to time. Violent fits that our sweet, Sunday school teacher ladies weren't prepared to handle, so they'd call single mom to come pick her up. One day, things got so bad they came upstairs to get the Marine and the Army vet (me) to take her out to the parking lot. We had to carry her. As in, both of us had to carry her - she was that wild.
We wouldn't let her come any more for a while, but she's much better these days.