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Title: What's The Definition Of A Liberal?
Post by: The Rabbi on May 16, 2007, 01:05:53 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/phillip_morris/index.ssf?/base/opinion/1179218274175560.xml&coll=2&thispage=1

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It's funny how a gun can in stantly change your perspec tive on things, make you wish you could rewrite history.

State Rep. Michael DeBose, a southside Cleveland Democrat, discovered this lesson the night of May 1, when he thought he was going to die. That's the night he wished he had that gun vote back.
Title: Re: What's The Definition Of A Liberal?
Post by: charby on May 16, 2007, 01:25:59 PM
definition of a liberal?

Title: Re: What's The Definition Of A Liberal?
Post by: Ned Hamford on May 16, 2007, 01:31:19 PM
That looks more like an evil sorceress to me.
Title: Re: What's The Definition Of A Liberal?
Post by: MattC on May 16, 2007, 01:45:54 PM
Ned, I have no idea what you're talking about...

Title: Re: What's The Definition Of A Liberal?
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 16, 2007, 01:57:37 PM
It won't let me read the whole article without registering.  So he voted for the right to carry guns and mug people, and then later he decided he should have voted for victim disarmament? 
Title: Re: What's The Definition Of A Liberal?
Post by: The Rabbi on May 16, 2007, 02:57:06 PM
Other way around.  He voted against CCW legislation (twice) until he nearly got robbed.  Now he and his wife are applying for their permits.
Title: Re: What's The Definition Of A Liberal?
Post by: grampster on May 16, 2007, 04:42:36 PM
Michael Savage has the best definition of modern day Liberalism:  It's a mental disease.
Title: Re: What's The Definition Of A Liberal?
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 16, 2007, 05:00:13 PM
Michael Savage has a mental disease.

I get it now Rabbi.  A liberal is a conservative that hasn't been mugged yet. 
Title: Re: What's The Definition Of A Liberal?
Post by: roo_ster on May 16, 2007, 05:42:22 PM
Better late than never.
Title: Re: What's The Definition Of A Liberal?
Post by: PPGMD on May 17, 2007, 05:34:36 AM
Quote from: Scapegoat on May 16, 2007, 04:00:13 PM
I get it now Rabbi.  A liberal is a conservative that hasn't been mugged yet. 

Unfortunately too many respond the other way after being mugged, trying to take away our guns with renewed force. Those are the people that believe that violence begets violence. Of course they forget that if you shoot the person that started it, they aren't going to be causing trouble anymore.
Title: Re: What's The Definition Of A Liberal?
Post by: K Frame on May 17, 2007, 06:45:42 AM
My definition of a liberal?

Same as a conservative anymore.

Same crap in a slightly different package.
Title: Re: What's The Definition Of A Liberal?
Post by: HankB on May 17, 2007, 08:04:02 AM
Liberal: A person who claims the moral authority to redistribute wealth, apportioning it to those he believes are more deserving of it than those who merely worked for, earned, or created that wealth.
Title: Re: What's The Definition Of A Liberal?
Post by: K Frame on May 17, 2007, 08:26:55 AM
"DeBose voted his conscience. He feared that CCW permits would lead to a massive influx of new guns in the streets and a jump in gun violence. He feared that Cleveland would become the O.K. Corral, patrolled by legions of freshly minted permit holders."

DAMMIT! It really pisses me off EVERY time I see this statement made!

Over the past nearly 20 years what, 25 or 30 states have either adopted CCW or amended their issue rules so that anyone who qualifies gets one?

And how many instances of OK Corral have there been? How much of a jump in gun violence has there been? NONE!

Why do people like this think their states are so damned special?
Title: Re: What's The Definition Of A Liberal?
Post by: The Rabbi on May 17, 2007, 09:27:23 AM
Mike, it's simple: the mindset is gun=violence.  Thus more guns=more violence.  It is totally specious, of course.
Here in TN we have been trying to get carry allowed in restaurants that serve alcohol.  Now, KY has had this rule from the beginning.  And they have had no incidents I am aware of where permit holders got drunk at dinner, pulled the gun and started shooting.  And yet I guess Tennesseans are more redneck, backwoods, and prone to violence than Kentuckians because the bill always gets shot down whenever it is proposed here.  Makes no sense.
Title: Re: What's The Definition Of A Liberal?
Post by: K Frame on May 17, 2007, 09:35:11 AM
I realize what the mindset is.

what I don't understand is why volumes of objective, verifiable examples and proof are so casually disregarded for someone's conscience.

If this "minister" TRULY had the liberal conscience he seems to claim he had he would have gladly emptied his wallet to these downtrodden, disadvantaged inner city youths who are obviously simply products of the cruel, repressive Conservative government.

God damn it pisses me off!