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« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2005, 02:44:14 PM »
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They're all losers, they only way they can feel superior is by pointing out the [perceived] shortcomings of others.
Yeah, those skin-heads, what a bunch of ignorant slugs.  Glad I'm not a worthless bum like one of those guys.
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« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2005, 05:39:20 AM »
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They're all losers, they only way they can feel superior is by pointing out the [perceived] shortcomings of others.
Yeah, those skin-heads, what a bunch of ignorant slugs.  Glad I'm not a worthless bum like one of those guys.
Sarcasm?  

I hear some Nazis were nice too.  Vegetarians, kind to pets, all that.  That won't stop me from labeling Nazis as scum, though... sorry if that doesn't make me "sensitive" enough for y'all.  

Of course, we aren't talking about skin-heads, we are talking about white supremacists.  You were the first person to mention "skin-heads."  Some white supremacists are skinheads, but not all skinheads are white supremacists.

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« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2005, 01:13:21 PM »
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They're all losers, they only way they can feel superior is by pointing out the [perceived] shortcomings of others.
Yeah, those skin-heads, what a bunch of ignorant slugs.  Glad I'm not a worthless bum like one of those guys.
Sarcasm?  http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/sarge/Huh_anim.gif

Of course, we aren't talking about skin-heads, we are talking about white supremacists.  You were the first person to mention "skin-heads."  Some white supremacists are skinheads, but not all skinheads are white supremacists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinhead
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacists
But all white supremacists are bigots.  And neo-nazis are also white supremacists.

"but not all skinheads are white supremacists."

I disagree with that statement.  I have yet to meet a skinhead that didn't think he was superior to every other race on earth.

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« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2005, 02:29:14 PM »
I am deeply sorry if I have offended the cranially shaven with my uncaring remarks.  

To return to sincerity, I will remind Comrade Smith of his earlier comment.  To wit:
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Some things aren't entitled to nice, fair, respectful disagreement after a while, because that gives it an undeserved legitimacy.
I agree.  The pro-homosexual movement, proponents of the fair-tax, and those arguing for slavery reparations don't deserve the legitimacy afforded by respectful disagreement.  All of those people are just sub-human lamo's.  In fact, they're no better than white supremacists.  Why do we let such "people" vote?

Edited to add: People who get all upset about customizing milsurp rifles.  Hate them too.  Let's dismiss their idiotic ideas.
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« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2005, 02:33:55 AM »
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Kinda seems to me like there is a bit of generalization going on here.  Kinda like how all gun owners are ignorant, backwaters hicks who spend all day fixing thier truck and chasing around their sister
There is a big difference here. Generalizing people based on the criteria of race, religion, or lifestyle IS morally wrong.

However, generalizing people based on their acceptance of a common and deeply flawed doctrine is not. They have chosen to generalize THEMSELVES by placing themselves into the category of "white spremecist". it is a self-imposed generalization. White supremecists are brought into the same category based on the fact that the very base of their belief is ignorance.

For example calling a black person a *let's not go there* is racist because it bases a value judgement on a person based on flawed criteria. Called a person of low intelligence an idiot is simply an observation of fact. In other words white supremecists are ignorant BY DEFINITION and pointing that out it simply calling a spade a spade.

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« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2005, 04:54:38 AM »
"I am deeply sorry if I have offended the cranially shaven with my uncaring remarks."

AFAIK you didn't offend anybody.  My head is quite hairy, for instance.  I was just pointing out factual errors.  

"I will remind Comrade Smith of his earlier comment"

Fistful:  I've got no idea what you are talking about.  Or why you'd call me "comrade."  I'm about as much a socialist as I am a John Deere tractor.  Tongue

"I disagree.  I have yet to meet a skinhead that didn't think he was superior to every other race on earth."

Try reading, you might learn something.  Your personal experience isn't the sum total of human knowledge, you know.  Wink

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« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2005, 06:28:35 AM »
I have to agree with Sean, not all skin-heads are Nazis.  But, of course, those are the ones everybody sees, so most people think that's the truth.
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« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2005, 10:02:17 AM »
Not all skinheads are racist.  Enter SHARP - Skin Heads Against Racial Predjudice

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« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2005, 06:12:28 PM »
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Generalizing people based on the criteria of race, religion, or lifestyle IS morally wrong.
No, actually, OVERgeneralizing is a logical mistake that may or may not be morally wrong, depending.  Then there is the illogic of comparing race, which is natural, to religion and lifestyle, which are chosen behaviors, childhood training aside.


Fellow Free-Market Capitalist Sean Smith,

I meant nothing by my use of "comrade."  Just thought it was a fun word.  I hope you didn't think that I was the one generalizing about skin-heads.  Someone else said, "I have yet to meet a Skinhead," etc.  I only used it as a synonym for white supremacist, and I've met very few of those.  Guess I'll have to dig out my Vandals CD, just to remember another kind of skinhead.  While we're on the topic we could get real persnickety about Nazism, which was a fascist political party.  A NAZI is not simply a racist or totalitarian, even though Nazism included such thinking.

You say you don't know what I'm talking about, so I will try to explain.  The groups I claimed to despise in my earlier post were used merely for the sake of example, to show that your justification for ad hominen attacks on white sup's is not tenable.  For example, while I am also tempted to hate white sup's, I react even more viscerally to homosexuality, as well as being morally opposed to it.  I don't suppose I've ever hated them, I just get sick to my stomach.  Nonetheless, it would be wrong for me to bash homosexuals gratuitously by calling them faggots.  I try not to say things like "That's gay" if I don't like something.  At the same time, I don't use the euphemism "gay," I use the proper word, "homosexual," which homosexuals don't seem to like.  

While you are arrogantly dismissing racist ideas, keep in mind that white sup's have more evidence for racial superiority than a lot of us have for other beliefs.  Consider the problems routinely decried by Black-American leaders and those of other minorities.  These would include lower levels of wealth and education and higher levels of criminal activity.  Of course, these are the result of past discrimination and other reasons.  To the white supremacist, these are the fault of racial inferiority.  Two different sides of the same coin.  

After all, how did white supremacy begin other than white westerners looking around at the comparitive backwardness of thier neighbors, technologically, politically and morally?  The mistake is to attribute that to race rather than other factors.  No different than the gun-banner who looks around at all of the senseless violence in the world and blames the wrong factor.  Should we dismiss them and call them names, too?  I thought this was a polite society.
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« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2005, 07:34:33 PM »
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After all, how did white supremacy begin other than white westerners looking around at the comparitive backwardness of thier neighbors, technologically, politically and morally?
Hogwash....

Simple hogwash...

Ya goona tell me that Chinese or japanese civilzation was morally inferior to westrern civilization?

White supremacists are the dregs of society. Most normal prefer to hate people for who they are, not what they are.

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« Reply #35 on: March 17, 2005, 05:11:02 AM »
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While you are arrogantly dismissing racist ideas, keep in mind that white sup's have more evidence for racial superiority than a lot of us have for other beliefs.
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I thought this was a polite society.
With you around, not for the non-white members of this forum, apparently.  rolleyes

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« Reply #36 on: March 17, 2005, 08:16:05 AM »
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While you are arrogantly dismissing racist ideas, keep in mind that white sup's have more evidence for racial superiority than a lot of us have for other beliefs.  After all, how did white supremacy begin other than white westerners looking around at the comparitive backwardness of thier neighbors, technologically, politically and morally?
I don't think there was very much of western expansionism over the past 400 years that would qualify as the moral high ground. It was accomplished on the principle of taking whatever one could by any means necessary. White Europeans wern't alone in this.
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« Reply #37 on: March 17, 2005, 06:29:35 PM »
Mea culpa

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While you are arrogantly dismissing racist ideas, keep in mind that white sup's have more evidence for racial superiority than a lot of us have for other beliefs.
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With you around, not for the non-white members of this forum, apparently.
I apologize for failing to explain myself.  The evidences of which I spoke are nothing more than the problems routinely decried by Black-American leaders and those of other minorities.  These would include lower levels of wealth and education and higher levels of criminal activity.  Of course, these are the results of past discrimination and other factors.  To the white supremacist, these are the fault of racial inferiority.  Two different sides of the same coin.  I have edited my post to avoid further misunderstanding.
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« Reply #38 on: March 17, 2005, 06:57:22 PM »
Wildcan'tresistusingyourgimmickAlaska,

What I am telling you is that the moral inferiority of non-white society was obvious from the perspective of modern western Whites until quite recently.  Things like polygamy, cannabalism, concubinage, worship of idols, human sacrifice, and public nudity must have been quite shocking to the insulated "Christian" West of days gone by.  Of course, those are extremes.  In Early American primary sources I have read, some settlers spoke of converting natives and assumed that converted Indians would then settle down in homes and begin farming and wearing proper clothing, like any good Christian.  The point is that even a nomadic hunting and gathering lifestyle was seen as pagan laziness.  Lazyness?  I am too lazy to look it up.  

Do you think that the Asian civilizations were morally superior?


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White supremacists are the dregs of society. Most normal prefer to hate people for who they are, not what they are
But it is hateful to say that some group is the dregs of society, correct?  I wish it wasn't.  Then I could call John Kerry or Ted Kennedy scum, like I want to.

Cool Hand Luke,

You are correct, the Europeans were not alone in this.  Who does have the moral high-ground?  Usually, it is the observer; in this case white folks.
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« Reply #39 on: March 18, 2005, 03:53:32 PM »
Perhaps, but I don't know about the 'many' part, but I agree that there are bound to be some.  I also suspect they are generally smart enough to keep it to themselves until they know thier audience.  Virulent bigotry is not generally a career- or social status-enhancing posture

My bottom line:  If the only way you can feel good about yourself is by putting someone else down, it's time for some serious self-examination and a plan to get bettter on your own merits, FWIW.

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« Reply #40 on: March 19, 2005, 02:35:22 AM »
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I also suspect they are generally smart enough to keep it to themselves until they know thier audience.  Virulent bigotry is not generally a career- or social status-enhancing posture
My experience is the opposite. I really wish people would stop volunteering their bigoted opinions on me simply because I am white and look like the type of person that might listen (i'm not). Considering the social and career status of most of the white supremecists I have met it would seem that they lack some fundamental skills in both arenas.

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« Reply #41 on: March 19, 2005, 05:59:13 AM »
Now, gentlemen.  We're supposed to be tolerant of others' points of view, here. Even if that means accepting intolerance as a point of view... rolleyes

If you ever get the chance, go to one of these "white power" marches and listen to the rhetoric. I would go to the annual one that the KKK does in Waco. The reasoning behind their views is so fractured & specious that it stuns attempts to logically analyze it.

Worse than that is counter-protests. Instead of showing logical thought, they get into shouting matches w/ the KKK'ers on their neanderthal level.

It's like watching WWE.....but without the educational content. Cheesy

And having the white supremecists on Jerry Springer is like using a playpen....it keeps 'em all in one place where we can keep an eye on 'em... Wink
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