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Re: So now New Mexico cops can confiscate firearms during routine stops
« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2011, 09:30:13 PM »
some folks get real warped over tickets, 

The rest of us don't.  What's your point?  Criminals doing bad things? 

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Re: So now New Mexico cops can confiscate firearms during routine stops
« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2011, 10:18:28 PM »
The rest of us don't.  What's your point?  Criminals doing bad things? 

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Re: So now New Mexico cops can confiscate firearms during routine stops
« Reply #27 on: June 05, 2011, 02:33:47 AM »
didn't the courts rule on this already?



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Re: So now New Mexico cops can confiscate firearms during routine stops
« Reply #28 on: June 05, 2011, 09:23:22 AM »
some folks get real warped over tickets, 

Which is just cause to treat the guy who says "yes sir, I'm armed" while keeping his hands on the steering wheel like a criminal?   :facepalm:
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Re: So now New Mexico cops can confiscate firearms during routine stops
« Reply #29 on: June 05, 2011, 09:57:07 AM »
some folks get real warped over tickets, 

Some people commit murder.

Should *YOU* be locked up next time someone does?

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Re: So now New Mexico cops can confiscate firearms during routine stops
« Reply #30 on: June 05, 2011, 10:17:26 AM »
some of the folks getting warped aren't ones you'd expect.  seems to trigger something primal.

Could you enlighten me as to all these incidents of otherwise law abiding people suddenly shooting a cop over a ticket  ???

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Re: So now New Mexico cops can confiscate firearms during routine stops
« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2011, 10:39:53 AM »
some of the folks getting warped aren't ones you'd expect.  seems to trigger something primal.

And that's why the cops carry guns and wear armor, so that they can shoot such wastes of oxygen.

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Re: So now New Mexico cops can confiscate firearms during routine stops
« Reply #33 on: June 05, 2011, 11:53:29 AM »
Does being shot in the back while being told to remove your gun count?

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Re: So now New Mexico cops can confiscate firearms during routine stops
« Reply #34 on: June 05, 2011, 12:03:59 PM »
Does being shot in the back while being told to remove your gun count?

http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/09/robert-farago/20270/

uh oh  if thats the best you can do you are in trouble.

you mean this?
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/sep/22/coroners-inquest-erik-scott/

"Colleen Kullberg, who was working part-time at customer demonstrations at Costco, told jurors she saw Erik Scott pull out his gun and point it at a Metro officer before officers shot him.

Kullberg said as she tried to leave the store, she saw Erik Scott staring at an officer after the officer had told him to get down on the ground "at least five times."

"He reached behind him and pulled out his gun and aimed it at the officer," Kullberg said. "At that time, the officer shot him."

Asked to describe what Scott did as he was standing, staring at the officer. "He was like dazed. He was just looking at him. He wasn't obeying any of his commands." "
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Re: So now New Mexico cops can confiscate firearms during routine stops
« Reply #35 on: June 05, 2011, 12:12:05 PM »
It's well documented that he had like 5 officers all yelling different instructions at him and the officer that escorted him out of the store completely dropped the ball. That witness was wrong, he never pulled his gun. It was found holstered.
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Re: So now New Mexico cops can confiscate firearms during routine stops
« Reply #36 on: June 05, 2011, 12:58:30 PM »
It's well documented that he had like 5 officers all yelling different instructions at him and the officer that escorted him out of the store completely dropped the ball. That witness was wrong, he never pulled his gun. It was found holstered.

well documented?  as in the 911 tape?  its in the inquest story  listen to it and get back to us. 
the witness is wrong?  how?  from your own link

"    Holding his gun to his chest, he told Scott to turn around; as he did so, Mosher saw the gun in Scott’s waistband. Mosher said he yelled several commands. He saw that Scott’s eyes looked bloodshot. He noticed that Scott appeared to be “out of it.” He heard Scott say, “I have a gun.” When he saw that gun ‘come up,’ the five-year Metro veteran fired two rounds. Two other officers also fired, ultimately hitting Scott with seven bullets. Five went into his back.

Yes, BUT—

    After homicide detectives responded to the scene and began investigating the officer-involved shooting, a number of items were recovered outside the store: Several shell casings, a cell phone, and a 9mm Kimber semiautomatic handgun.

    The handgun was still in its holster.

    Mosher testified that he didn’t know that the gun was in its holster at the time he fired. He said he owns the same type of holster, and the gun could be “easily fired” while in its holster."

rule of thumb?  never point a gun at cop. i don't care how doped up you are its bad juju
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Re: So now New Mexico cops can confiscate firearms during routine stops
« Reply #37 on: June 05, 2011, 01:03:44 PM »
Or when one cop tells you not to move, and the other tells you to remove your weapon, make a choice of which one to obey and hope for the best. You have a 50/50 chance of coming out of it okay. Pretty good odds for Vegas. Being shot in the back would kinda suck though.
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Re: So now New Mexico cops can confiscate firearms during routine stops
« Reply #38 on: June 05, 2011, 01:16:51 PM »
yea   its a scary world out there.  he was just going along trying to be peacefully strung out and educating the guy in costco about how he could carry his gun in texas and his world fell in.  "its just not fair!"     have you heard the tapes yet?  they might surprise you  not near as confusing as you need to make your scenario work, but radley tried till the tapes came out too. damn tapes spoil it for everyone.

i once had to explain to my boss when he asked "why do they do things like that?"
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Re: So now New Mexico cops can confiscate firearms during routine stops
« Reply #40 on: June 05, 2011, 09:21:52 PM »
Which is just cause to treat the guy who says "yes sir, I'm armed" while keeping his hands on the steering wheel like a criminal?   :facepalm:

I've always wondered if, in these circumstances, the murderer answered the officer's question with "Yes, I do have a gun.".....  =|


    After homicide detectives responded to the scene and began investigating the officer-involved shooting, a number of items were recovered outside the store: Several shell casings, a cell phone, and a 9mm Kimber semiautomatic handgun.

    The handgun was still in its holster.

    Mosher testified that he didn’t know that the gun was in its holster at the time he fired. He said he owns the same type of holster, and the gun could be “easily fired” while in its holster."

I'd normally say that Mosher had a lot of explainin' to do.....but, since he's LVPD, they're allowed to shoot suspects on a whim without repercussion.....maybe they'll do this case on CSI next season....
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