The irony... it is a deliciously thick sauce

[AZRedhawk44]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/zuccotti_hell_kitchen_i5biNyYYhpa8MSYIL9xSDL


The freeloading protestors that want to vanquish capitalism... the "Occupy" folks... remember them?

They have communal kitchens to feed the occupiers.

Well, it seems the other class of freeloading moochers have descended upon this variety of freeloading moocher:  the professional homeless.

In order to discourage the pro-homeless from showing up, they are:

For three days beginning tomorrow, the cooks will serve only brown rice and other spartan grub instead of the usual menu of organic chicken and vegetables, spaghetti bolognese, and roasted beet and sheep’s-milk-cheese salad.

I love the description of the regular fare.  And the raw entitlement-attitude from those unhappy with the brown rice, peanut butter sammiches, and other recent low budget foods.

Organizers took other steps to police the squatters, who they said were lured in from other parks with the promise of free meals.

A team of 10 security volunteers moved in to the trouble-prone southwest section of Zuccotti Park in a show of force to confront them.

“We’re not going to let some members of this community destroy the whole movement,” a volunteer said.

The protestors of Capitalist Authoritay are angry that someone wants to TAKE from THEM!  So they are establishing a Strong Arm system of Enforcers (a.k.a. Police) to protect their collective interests.

I wonder when they start hunting pigs, organizing into camps, making war with one another and telling about the long long ago, in the before time?

It's all a delicious microcosm of Marx's failures, playing out as an object lesson for these folks who haven't gotten it yet.
 

[Viking]

How cold does it get in NYC during the winter?

[Boomhauer]

How cold does it get in NYC during the winter?

Not as cold as Montana, but down in the teens and twenties from what I hear.

The protestors of Capitalist Authoritay are angry that someone wants to TAKE from THEM!  So they are establishing a Strong Arm system of Enforcers (a.k.a. Police) to protect their collective interests

I hope the bums gang up and beat the *expletive deleted*it out of the "security", make off with all of the foodstuffs, and on the way out, *expletive deleted*it and piss in the pots/pans and sleeping bags of the OWS douchebags. That would be right entertaining.

[HankB]

I hope the bums gang up and beat the *expletive deleted* out of the "security", make off with all of the foodstuffs, and on the way out, *expletive deleted* and piss in the pots/pans and sleeping bags of the OWS douchebags. That would be right entertaining.

I wouldn't mind seeing that myself . . . and wouldn't it be a shame if the police were elsewhere, writing parking tickets or something? 

[Viking]

Not as cold as Montana, but down in the teens and twenties from what I hear.

I hope the bums gang up and beat the *expletive deleted* out of the "security", make off with all of the foodstuffs, and on the way out, *expletive deleted* and piss in the pots/pans and sleeping bags of the OWS douchebags. That would be right entertaining.

Excellent.

[Perd Hapley]

How do the cooks/servers know the difference? 

And the raw entitlement-attitude from those unhappy with the brown rice, peanut butter sammiches, and other recent low budget foods.

If that works to deter them, it will say something about the living standards of the non-OWS homeless.

[Viking]

How do the cooks/servers know the difference? 


If that works to deter them, it will say something about the living standards of the non-OWS homeless.

OWS = hipster scum

[Perd Hapley]

This seems to relate to the thread topic:

Thermal imaging (allegedly) shows 90% of Occupy London tents are empty:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8847357/Telegraph-evicted-from-St-Pauls-Occupy-London-camp-as-the-mood-turns.html

[wmenorr67]

Things are going to get very interesting very soon.
 

[AZRedhawk44]

This seems to relate to the thread topic:

Thermal imaging (allegedly) shows 90% of Occupy London tents are empty:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8847357/Telegraph-evicted-from-St-Pauls-Occupy-London-camp-as-the-mood-turns.html

Video footage is very suspect.

Watch as a woman in a skirt walks by the thermal cam.  Legs are visible, skirt is darker color like the tents.

Now, imagine the thermal insulation properties of a sleeping bag combined with a tent.


I don't support OWS, but this technique used by the Telegraph is highly suspect.

[MillCreek]

Hmm, OWS seems to be acting awfully 1%.

[Lee]

How do the cooks/servers know the difference?  Huh?

They don't...and neither does Rupert Murdoch's ace reporter evidently.

[MechAg94]

Video footage is very suspect.

Watch as a woman in a skirt walks by the thermal cam.  Legs are visible, skirt is darker color like the tents.

Now, imagine the thermal insulation properties of a sleeping bag combined with a tent.


I don't support OWS, but this technique used by the Telegraph is highly suspect.

So do the 10% have fires in them?

[MicroBalrog]

10% of the tents have 100% of the fires?

[Chuck Dye]

Big fleas have little fleas,
Upon their backs to bite 'em,
And little fleas have lesser fleas,
and so, ad infinitum.

And the great fleas, themselves, in turn
Have greater fleas to go on;
While these again have greater still,
And greater still, and so on.

[KD5NRH]

Watch as a woman in a skirt walks by the thermal cam.  Legs are visible, skirt is darker color like the tents.

Skirts have a fair amount of airflow, which would be cool ambient air.  An occupied nylon tent would have people exhaling ~80-90 degree air into it all night, even if the rest of their bodies were perfectly insulated.

[lupinus]

aw, but what happened to spreading it around?

Guess some are just more equal than others.

[birdman]

Skirts have a fair amount of airflow, which would be cool ambient air.  An occupied nylon tent would have people exhaling ~80-90 degree air into it all night, even if the rest of their bodies were perfectly insulated.

Except the tent wall is:
1. Opaque to LWIR
2. Very low thermal mass
3. A near perfect convective surface for the outside air
And tents are designed to be ventilated
While I think it is likely a tent wall would be slightly warmer than ambient if occupied, I would also venture that the temperature difference is much less than expected.

Since most of those imagers are auto-gain controlled, and 8-10bit resolution, if there were any warm objects (hot pot, fire, possibly even bare skin) in the image, the normal operating mode would set that as the full scale readout (reduce gain) so the minimum detectable temperature difference (least significant bit) could be as low as 0.5 degC (120degC full scale, 8 bit).  Normal convection coefficient for air is 10-30W/m2-degC and the resting metabolic rate of a person is ~75W, so with the surface area of even a sealed small tent (say pup tent triangle style, 2m long, 2m at the base and 1.5m tall, or a surface area of 8m2, the temperature difference would be 0.3-0.9degC relative to ambient,or barely detectable.

Thermal doesn't see through walls, and low mass, opaque sheets are simple LWIR blocking surfaces when exposed to ambient air.

However, besides the technical point, I would bet the conclusion is accurate and more tents are used than people to inflate the protest attendance

[RoadKingLarry]

I'm not sure why but this thought came to mind-

Build a man hippie a fire and he will be warm for a night.
Set a man hippie on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life.

[Ben]

While I think it is likely a tent wall would be slightly warmer than ambient if occupied, I would also venture that the temperature difference is much less than expected.

We've tested aerial IR sensors at altitude on whales at night, and they weren't the cheap kind (of sensors, not whales - I hear whales like to live the good life). The whales' blubber was such a good insulator that the only way we saw them was when they blew or they pooped. I don't know why, but the OWS hippies somehow reminded me of this.

I would expect there are in fact a lot of "decoy tents", but I also suspect that a lot of tents were provided to the OWS crowd and I wouldn't be surprised if many of the protestors, when they go back to school or their parents' mansions, simply leave their "People's shelter" behind.

[Perd Hapley]

Skirts have a fair amount of airflow... 

And how would you know that, Mal?

[French G.]

The FLIR on a V-22 is pretty near HD TV quality and thin workout clothes don't slow it down much when a young lady jogs in front of it on the flight deck. 

[longeyes]

Winter, come quickly.

[Brad Johnson]

The FLIR on a V-22 is pretty near HD TV quality and thin workout clothes don't slow it down much when a young lady jogs in front of it on the flight deck. 

Video for proof or it didn't happend.

Brad

[Viking]

Winter, come quickly.

And come down hard.