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Virgin 2 Crashes at Least One Dead
« on: October 31, 2014, 03:10:18 PM »
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/31/us/spaceshiptwo-incident/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

The "United States" space program has taken a couple big hits this week.  First the supply rocket blows up just after launch and now one of our best hopes for private space flight crashes.

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Re: Virgin 2 Crashes at Least One Dead
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2014, 05:09:32 PM »
the pilot ejected and is said to be in serious condition.

i'm wondering if the new plasticized fuel had any part of the malfunction?
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Re: Virgin 2 Crashes at Least One Dead
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2014, 05:31:45 PM »
the pilot ejected and is said to be in serious condition.

i'm wondering if the new plasticized fuel had any part of the malfunction?

Probably. Solids aren't dirt simple as they're made out to be over liquid, especially when it's hybrid, you're counting on the fuel itself to help contain and direct the combustion and thrust. I'll guess that while it looked good on paper, it does not have the same amount of elasticity, tensile strength etc. as the original rubber based fuel grain, and/or it may combust differently, voids or irregularities in the burn down it's core might not be self-averaging, and create a runaway pocket that kept growing.

Also, solid rocket motors are often not cast in a simple hole down the center or a cone, or star shaped void either. Here's an example of the development of one system going back to the 1940's. Not saying it's like anything Spaceship 1 or 2 were using, but it can get pretty complex depending on what you're going for.

http://www.okieboat.com/Booster%20History.html

And that burns through, unevenly, or gets out of whack, CATO.

They said there was an explosion. And the widely scattered debris field is consistent with Spaceship 2 not crashing in one piece.  

I'd like to see video.
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Re: Virgin 2 Crashes at Least One Dead
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2014, 08:56:40 PM »
Obviously I feel bad for the pilot and anyone else injured or killed in a spacecraft malfunction like this. I would just mention Mercury, Gemini, Apollo. We pushed on through disasters in all those programs, barely skipping a beat. Again, I don't want to see people hurt, but I sure hope the private space race mimics the older US space programs, and not the "second guessing" programs, like the space shuttle.
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Re: Virgin 2 Crashes at Least One Dead
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2014, 09:15:37 PM »
We were a lot tougher then


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Re: Virgin 2 Crashes at Least One Dead
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2014, 07:55:59 AM »
We've had a hundred years to make getting on a plane safer than getting in a car.  I think it was just pointed out to the people who have already signed up for "space tourism" that we still have a long way to go for comparable safety that high up.
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Re: Virgin 2 Crashes at Least One Dead
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2014, 12:15:08 PM »
Considering how many things have to happen in the correct order, at the correct timing, and at the correct pressures/angles/whatnot, I'm surprised we haven't had more failures.

Yeah, there's always going to be setbacks.  There's always going to be accidents.

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Re: Virgin 2 Crashes at Least One Dead
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2014, 02:00:42 PM »
I wonder what they were using for oxidizer, and if a pressure vessel failure could be the issue.

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Re: Virgin 2 Crashes at Least One Dead
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2014, 09:31:15 PM »
I wonder what they were using for oxidizer, and if a pressure vessel failure could be the issue.

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Usually in a hybrid design it's Nitrous Oxide, just like a hot rod. Just more of it. Energetic, but isn't as difficult or dangerous to handle as LOX.

You can even get hobbyist hybrid systems with a NOS tank.
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Re: Virgin 2 Crashes at Least One Dead
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2014, 09:07:49 AM »
What kind of pressures do they run?

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