Freddy Gray, the fellow that they are destroying Baltimore for: His Rap Sheet

[zxcvbob]

Just running from the cops in a high crime area is probable cause  for the stop according to the Supreme Court. Finding the knife is incidental to that stop

Minor correction:  Reasonable articulable suspicion (enough for a Terry stop), not probable cause.

[MechAg94]

From the little I have heard, the charges against the cops appear to be overreaching by quite a bit.  The prosecutor's husband is a city councilman.  It is highly likely the charges are what they are due to politics of one kind or another. 

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

From the little I have heard, the charges against the cops appear to be overreaching by quite a bit.  The prosecutor's husband is a city councilman.  It is highly likely the charges are what they are due to politics of one kind or another.  

The charges certainly seem excessive, but there's lots of speculation about the reasons for it:



She's playing politics to help her husband who's part of the local Baltimore leadership

She's trying to inflame the mob

She's trying to mollify the mob

She has political connections to the Gray family or their attorney

She wants her 15 minutes of fame

She wants to launch a wider political career

She's just plain incompetent

She's trying to get the case moved out of town so she doesn't get burned if it fails

She's wants a judge to reduce the charges rather than take the blame for doing it herself

She's under political pressure from the Baltimore mayor, or her husband, or the Justice Brothers, or Washington DC, or the media, etc

[brimic]

The charges certainly seem excessive, but there's lots of speculation about the reasons for it:



She's playing politics to help her husband who's part of the local Baltimore leadership

She's trying to inflame the mob

She's trying to mollify the mob

She has political connections to the Gray family or their attorney

She wants her 15 minutes of fame

She wants to launch a wider political career

She's just plain incompetent

She's trying to get the case moved out of town so she doesn't get burned if it fails

She's wants a judge to reduce the charges rather than take the blame for doing it herself

She's under political pressure from the Baltimore mayor, or her husband, or the Justice Brothers, or Washington DC, or the media, etc

All of the above, most likely, plus: She's an idiot.

[KD5NRH]

All of the above, most likely, plus: She's an idiot.

I doubt that; she does seem to form a few complete sentences, which would imply that she's at least an imbecile.

[Battle Monkey of Zardoz]

I doubt that; she does seem to form a few complete sentences, which would imply that she's at least an imbecile.

Yep. Let's jaw jack about an idiot DA (no argument there) and not try to figure out how someone's spine was broke.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Crazy as it sounds i am wondering if he did hurt himself looking for a new check. This is a guy who was hard up enough for cash he was gonna give peachtree 180 k in exchange for 18 k.
Both are incredibly stupid moves but freddy was no genius nor was he a rookie at playing the game. He faked his hurt leg pretty convincingly


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[Battle Monkey of Zardoz]

Crazy as it sounds i am wondering if he did hurt himself looking for a new check. This is a guy who was hard up enough for cash he was gonna give peachtree 180 k in exchange for 18 k.
Both are incredibly stupid moves but freddy was no genius nor was he a rookie at playing the game. He faked his hurt leg pretty convincingly


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That is a possibility. But with BPDs history, I just don't believe the "I broke my own spine" argument.

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

Yep. Let's jaw jack about an idiot DA (no argument there) and not try to figure out how someone's spine was broke.

Got any evidence on how that broken spine might've happened?  Nobody else does.  The locals rushed the investigation, then declined to publish their findings.  The media hasn't turned up anything solid, and we couldn't trust them even if they had.  The prosecutor's been silent on how Freddie got his injury.

Wouldn't you figure if something really damning had turned up in the investigation, a smoking gun, that the prosecutor or the mayor or some reporter would have made it public?  It ain't like these guys have any love for those six cops.  Does it mean anything that even the corrupt and overzealous prosecutor isn't claiming that the police broke Freddie's neck?

Freddie injuring himself seems unlikely, but it might actually be the least unlikely of all the possibilities.

I don't know.  It doesn't add up.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

That is a possibility. But with BPDs history, I just don't believe the "I broke my own spine" argument.

I originally thought it was a rough ride.
I am not so sure now.


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[Battle Monkey of Zardoz]

I don't know.  It doesn't add up.

Agreed

[Perd Hapley]

So, was there a riot for this lady?


http://www.stltoday.com/news/national/family-of-woman-dropped-on-head-by-ambulance-crew-gets/article_3c958d8b-5e5f-571d-a0b8-47b14e1efd86.html

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

This lady has some points
http://theroottv.theroot.com/video/Fmr-Deputy-Baltimore-State-s-At;news-playlist


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[cassandra and sara's daddy]

And this article is more interesting
http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/06/claim-task-force-investigating-freddie-gray-death-came-to-different-conclusion-than-states-attorney/

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/03/marilyn-mosby-gave-a-fiery-speech-about-freddie-gray-days-before-police-concluded-investigation-video/

[roo_ster]

So, what is the latest?

Does this look like a case of BPD treating Gray like a King?  Or is it more like hte beginning stages of Narrative Collapse like Zimmerman, Ferguson, Tawana Brawley, etc?

These days, I have zero problem believing the worst of LEOs and the worst of the race hustlers.  Where is my asteroid?

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

Seems this story about the charges being unsupported by the evidence has some legs.  It's still going around.

Saw this today:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/07/us-usa-police-baltimore-idUSKBN0NS1XP20150507

Lawyers for two officers have challenged a key part of Mosby's case, that a knife found on Gray was legal in Maryland and thus officers did not have a right to arrest him. The police investigation found that the knife was illegal under the city code.

So Mosby said the knife was legal under Maryland law, and the cops say it's illegal under Baltimore law.

Did Mosby step on her johnson by basing her charges on an illegal arrest without even knowing what law the arrest was made under?

[vaskidmark]

Well, she is the State's Attorney.

Amonng many other things she is.

stay safe.

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

I thought 'state's attorney' was just another term for 'prosecutor'.  And that Marilyn Mosby is the state's attorney for the City of Baltimore, i.e. she's Baltimore's prosecutor.

[vaskidmark]

I thought 'state's attorney' was just another term for 'prosecutor'.  And that Marilyn Mosby is the state's attorney for the City of Baltimore, i.e. she's Baltimore's prosecutor.

It's a technicality.  "Did __ against the peace and dignity of the State of Maryland" as oposed to the "against the peace and dignity of the City of Baltimore".  Wade through thje charging documents - not a single violation of a city ordinance in there,

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/local/charging-documents-filed-against-baltimore-police-officers/1534/

stay safe.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Her speech, BEFORE the investigation was complete and before the medical examiners report give one cause to wonder if she's just playing politics


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[cassandra and sara's daddy]

As does this
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/sun-investigates/bs-md-ci-freddie-gray-investigation-20150502-story.html#page=2


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[Ben]

So, Prince did a rally in Baltimore today. Marylin Mosby and her husband were brought out on stage with him. Kinda diverts further away from that whole "impartiality" thing.

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

Any new newsworthy news on this news story?




http://news.investors.com/Blogs-Capital-Hill/052015-753642-ferguson-protesters-complain-about-not-getting-paid.htm

I just saw this amusing story.  Don't know if it's true or not, but it makes me smile all the same.  Apparently many of the Baltimore protestors are one and the same with many of the Ferguson protestors, i.e. they're a professionals who get bussed in wherever a riot is needed.  Except they're unhappy because they aren't getting paid enough.

[makattak]

http://www.wbal.com/article/115153/2/mosby-responds-to-defense-motions-in-freddie-gray-case

After seeking as much press as possible, the prosecutor wants the judge to gag the defense.

Also, the knife being illegal doesn't matter because they arrested him before finding the knife, she says.