Covid: Trigger of rare blood clots with AstraZeneca jab found by scientists

[MechAg94]

AstraZeneca admits its Covid vaccine can cause rare side effect in court documents for first time
https://www.yahoo.com/news/astrazeneca-admits-first-time-covid-180000780.html

AstraZeneca has admitted for the first time in court documents that its Covid vaccine can cause a rare side effect, in an apparent about-turn that could pave the way for a multi-million pound legal payout.

The pharmaceutical giant is being sued in a class action over claims that its vaccine, developed with the University of Oxford, caused death and serious injury in dozens of cases.

AstraZeneca admits its COVID vaccine can cause deadly blood clots
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/apr/30/astrazeneca-admits-its-covid-vaccine-can-cause-dea/

Despite contesting the allegations, AstraZeneca conceded in the document that its vaccine could cause TTS, albeit in rare cases. The condition, formerly known as vaccine-induced immune thrombocytopenia, has been a recognized but rare side effect of the vaccine.

The legal admission marks the first instance AstraZeneca has openly recognized the potential for its vaccine to cause the serious side effect in court following two years of acknowledgment in a medical context. The implications could pave the way for individual compensation claims, altering the landscape for those affected and their families.

Seems to me that just about every claim made by the Govt and Big Pharma as the vaccine was rolled out has been proven false.  I am wondering if/when we will hear an admission that the vaccine is completely ineffective against COVID. 

[MechAg94]

This came up on my search, but it is a few years old.

Covid: Trigger of rare blood clots with AstraZeneca jab found by scientists
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-59418123

[Hawkmoon]

Being a senior citizen with several of the factors that put me in what the .gov had classified as the "high risk" population for COVID-19, I was convinced that if I got it I was going to die. To the extent that I didn't leave the house for three months -- a younger friend did my grocery shopping for me. He left the bags in the garage, I collected the bags after my friend had departed, and I wiped each package or bottle with Chlorox wipes before putting them away. So when the vaccine first came out, I succumbed to the pressure and dutifully went to the VA hospital for the two jabs. My VA hospital gave the Pfizer version. The other VA hospital in the state was administering one of the other varieties (Moderna, IIRC).

Not long after having gotten my shots I started reading about healthy, world-class athletes dropping dead soon after having been vaccinated. And then reading about people getting COVID even after having been vaccinated. So I decided not to get any of the follow-up shots, and I regret having allowed myself to be brainwashed by Fauci and the CDC in the first place.

Since having been vaccinated, I have had one verified bout of COVID-19, and another, similar (but longer) episode that the VA insists wasn't COVID but which looked and felt exactly like the preceding episode of COVID. The whole thing further eroded my already low level of trust in anything the .gov says about my health.

[Bogie]

Some of y'all have probably heard about this...
 
My friend Kay watched too much TV... She was scared of the 'vid, and could work from home, so she stayed home, and had stuffs delivered. Far from stupid - high end database admin, etc...
 
So, a couple of years ago, she decided that it was going to be a good and fun holiday season, so she scheduled a booster with her doc.
 
It killed her.
 
Autoimmune reaction. She got it about a week before Thanksgiving, died the day before.
 
Yeah, I'm pissed. I don't have that many friends.
 
Some pix of her may still be on THR/TFL from a trip that Oleg did to Fort Knox and the Knob Creek Machinegun Shoot. She is the person who brought the "meat biscuits." Some nicely prepared, and then cooked at the campground, slices of filet mignon. Our group did NOT camp roughly.
 
They didn't test it. Or, rather... We were the test subjects, and if we had a problem with that concept (you know, like one would have after a decade working in pharma R&D?), we were told to STFU...

[230RN]

Counterpoint.

Another example of negative publicity disrupting good sense.  While I always look askance at MSM and government output, I figure the public relations effect of one highly-publicised death or other negative effect of something will counteract the unsung benefits to thousands.

Hey!  We see the same bullshit having the same psychological effects in gun "violence."  You think noise is made about the thousands of beneficial uses of firearms?  Noooooo, you don't, and the effect is that there is an outcry for meaningless gun control.

Wake up, dammit.  No medical treatment is without risk and I, me, myself, would rather work with the real statistical risk (n out of X die, m out of X get ill) than the "if it bleeds it leads" (so to speak) publicity.

I'd rather operate on the X minus n and X minus m numbers than just the n and the m quantities.

Sorry, naysayers, but I'm naysaying it in the opposite direction and I ain't takin' it back.  Be realistic, not just another "if it bleeds it leads" dupe, just like the majority of anti-gunners are. 

Terry, 230RN

[Bogie]

They didn't test it.
 
New tech, untried.

[cordex]

It isn’t nearly as simple as “there is X risk and Y benefit and since the people who sell the vaccine say Y outweighs X, get the Fauci ouchy!”

Covid is highly age stratified, and the potential for iatrogenic harm is much more of a concern with younger people who have many more years to lose.

Terry, you probably made the right call for yourself given your advanced ripeness, but your cost/benefit analysis doesn’t hold universally.

[230RN]

"Advanced Ripeness."  Loved it.  You mean moldy, don't you?

You should re-read what you said, and I'm not taking back what I said. 

These unitary "my brother in law had it and died / was sick for a week / became impotent" stories are not enlightening.

I'm no champion of the medical industry, but I'm reminded of back in the day when a lot of people would not give their kids polio shots (or the later mouth vaccine) for vacuous reasons.

Yet we basically rid the world of polio.  Fortunately, there's a transmission vector effect, where if enough of the population are immunized, the disease has fewer and fewer "pathways" to propagate and dies away.

But in the meantime, people die from "it" (whatever is the "it" de jour) needlessly.  So thank you for dying, thereby restricting the propagation channels.

So.  Go ahead and propagate the propaganda and good luck to you and your heirs.  That's a joke...but a sharply-pointed one.

Terry, 230RN

[cordex]

These unitary "my brother in law had it and died / was sick for a week / became impotent" stories are not enlightening.

Which anecdotal story did I give?

I'm no champion of the medical industry, but I'm reminded of back in the day when a lot of people would not give their kids polio shots (or the later mouth vaccine) for vacuous reasons.

Yet we basically rid the world of polio.  Fortunately, there's a transmission vector effect, where if enough of the population are immunized, the disease has fewer and fewer "pathways" to propagate and dies away.

Cool cool cool, so it is 2024 and you are still under the impression that the COVID vaccine provides near sterilizing immunity and is likely to result in the extermination of the underlying virus if only enough people get the vaccine?

So.  Go ahead and propagate the propaganda and good luck to you and your heirs.  That's a joke...but a sharply-pointed one.

And which of my points are propaganda?  The age-stratification of covid?  The increased consequences of iatrogenic harm to younger people?  The idea that one-size-fits-all might not be the best medical approach?

[Boomhauer]

"Advanced Ripeness."  Loved it.  You mean moldy, don't you?

You should re-read what you said, and I'm not taking back what I said. 

These unitary "my brother in law had it and died / was sick for a week / became impotent" stories are not enlightening.

I'm no champion of the medical industry, but I'm reminded of back in the day when a lot of people would not give their kids polio shots (or the later mouth vaccine) for vacuous reasons.

Yet we basically rid the world of polio.  Fortunately, there's a transmission vector effect, where if enough of the population are immunized, the disease has fewer and fewer "pathways" to propagate and dies away.

But in the meantime, people die from "it" (whatever is the "it" de jour) needlessly.  So thank you for dying, thereby restricting the propagation channels.

So.  Go ahead and propagate the propaganda and good luck to you and your heirs.  That's a joke...but a sharply-pointed one.

Terry, 230RN

The pro-vaccine crowd wanted to throw people in gulags or ruin their lives otherwise (and did their best to do so for many) for not wanting to get the vaccine. Let’s also not forget the other damage that was done either, economically, to us all.

I don’t abide by tyrants, and you shouldn’t either.

[RocketMan]

I am very suspicious of any vaccine that requires booster after booster after booster, every few months to ensure its efficacy.  Sorta makes me wonder if it really works at all.
And before anyone gets their panties in a wad, yes, there are some exceptions to my suspicions.  Tetanus vaccines for one.

[dogmush]

I am very suspicious of any vaccine that requires booster after booster after booster, every few months to ensure its efficacy.  Sorta makes me wonder if it really works at all.
And before anyone gets their panties in a wad, yes, there are some exceptions to my suspicions.  Tetanus vaccines for one.

All vaccines require boosters.  The length of time varies buy vaccine, but none of them last forever.  I just had to get a 'scrip written for a Typhoid vaccine, because mine is more than two years old, and I'm traveling to an area with the disease.

That said, for a while there it seemed like COVID boosters were coming out quarterly, and that does seem like a lot.  It seems like they've settled on recommending a yearly(ish) "updated" booster that is tweaked for the current strain of COVID-19*.  So very much like the Flu shot.  I think updating your COVID shot requires one to think carefully about one's individual risk of both the disease, and the shot.


*I think we should start a movement to identify COVID like it's a Russian rifle.  So COVID-19 that's been arsanal refurbed mutated this year will be a COVID-19/24.   

[MechAg94]

I am still of the opinion that the impact of Covid itself was sensationalized so much it will be difficult to look back and determine exactly what happened.  There was so much political grandstanding going on and some governors were deliberately putting the elderly in harms way to make things worse for political reasons. 

I know of two people who died who were both at retirement age.  I have one coworker, him and his wife were hospitalized with it, but pulled through.  His wife was on portable oxygen for a month.  Everyone else I know who got it (including me) just had some level of flu symptoms.  And it really didn't matter if they were vaccinated or not.  That didn't seem to stop anyone from getting it. 

[Ben]

All vaccines require boosters. 

AFAIK, polio does not. I've only ever had the childhood series, and no doctor has ever recommended any kind of booster or revaccination for me.

As to the covids, I continue to be amazed that ever since I got the pre-vaccine OG version and let my body handle it, I continue to be immune to all covids. Based on my history, I should have gotten at least a half dozen colds since 2020. I haven't been sick with anything since I fought off the 19.

Had I not gotten the covids before the vaccines came out, I might have gotten a jab. I'm kinda glad things turned out the way they did.

[cordex]

As to the covids, I continue to be amazed that ever since I got the pre-vaccine OG version and let my body handle it, I continue to be immune to all covids. Based on my history, I should have gotten at least a half dozen colds since 2020. I haven't been sick with anything since I fought off the 19.

Ben, come visit my family sometime.  I'm sure my petri dishes of filth kids will get you good and sick!

[Ben]

Ben, come visit my family sometime.  I'm sure my petri dishes of filth kids will get you good and sick!

Heh. My deceased niece was a preschool teacher, and as much as I loved seeing her,  I dreaded visits because she always brought along whatever diseases the kids in her class had, and I'm pretty sure it ran around 7 of every 10 visits left me sick the next day. 

[cordex]

https://youtu.be/L-NSPhLHIBA?t=70

[dogmush]

AFAIK, polio does not. I've only ever had the childhood series, and no doctor has ever recommended any kind of booster or revaccination for me.

Even Polio.  No one recommends a booster because it is *pretty* long lasting, and the disease is eradicated in the wild, so why bother?  I suspect if you were working in a lab with active Polio they'd have some SOP.  CDC says:

It is not known how long people who received IPV will be protected against polio, but they are most likely protected for many years after a complete series of IPV. A 2009–2010 national survey showed that a high percentage of children and adults had protective antibodies against poliovirus, including adults who had received oral polio vaccine (OPV) as children decades earlier. However, adults who completed their polio vaccination series as children and are at higher risk for polio exposure can receive one lifetime IPV booster.

bolding mine.

This is not a hit on vaccines, it's just a thing about immune systems. No one recommends a Small Pox booster either, but when I went to Iraq in 2008, they sure as hell gave us one, even those of us that had had it as children.  Mostly I think on those rare diseases that no one really gets anymore, no one really knows how long the vaccines remain effective.  So you gotta weigh the risks of another vaccine vs. the risks of the disease divided by the likelihood of getting the disease.  You know, like they should have let us do with COVID.

[K Frame]

"Even Polio.  No one recommends a booster because it is *pretty* long lasting, and the disease is eradicated in the wild, so why bother?  I suspect if you were working in a lab with active Polio they'd have some SOP.  CDC says:"

Not sure if you mean polio is eradicated in the wild in the United States, but it's still a concern because of international travel. Back in 2022 in Rockland County, New York, there was a polio case with live polio virus identified in the waste stream: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/why-polio-has-reemerged-and-how-to-stay-safe-experts-advise

[dogmush]

"Even Polio.  No one recommends a booster because it is *pretty* long lasting, and the disease is eradicated in the wild, so why bother?  I suspect if you were working in a lab with active Polio they'd have some SOP.  CDC says:"

Not sure if you mean polio is eradicated in the wild in the United States, but it's still a concern because of international travel. Back in 2022 in Rockland County, New York, there was a polio case with live polio virus identified in the waste stream: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/why-polio-has-reemerged-and-how-to-stay-safe-experts-advise

Wild poliovirus cases have decreased by over 99% since 1988, from an estimated 350 000 cases in more than 125 endemic countries to 6 reported cases in 2021. Of the 3 strains of wild poliovirus (type 1, type 2 and type 3), wild poliovirus type 2 was eradicated in 1999 and wild poliovirus type 3 was eradicated in 2020. As at 2022, endemic wild poliovirus type 1 remains in two countries:  Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Eradicated in the wild enough an American isn't going to be recommended a booster short of very specific circumstances.

Scrolling through my 10 pages of Immunization records, it looks like the Army gave it to me in 1998 (initial entry), and 2013 (CENTCOM Deployment #3).  There was a CENTCOM trip in 2008-09, that I didn't get it so you can kinda guess what timeframe the DOD feels it needs a booster from that.  Ah....Afghanistan, so many local treasures just waiting to change your life.....

[Bogie]

And the fun thing is that old people have historically cashed out of life's casino due to complications of... the common cold or flu.
 
When I was in the labs, we'd muse about a vaccine for the common cold, and the general opinion (I wasn't having lunch with the guys mowing the grass either...) was that the family of cold bugs just mutated too rapidly.

[Bogie]

Do ANY of y'all still believe the Chinese propaganda videos?