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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Perd Hapley on March 10, 2017, 10:49:09 PM
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It was not my idea to watch Suicide Squad. I mean, it's not that I don't want to watch a movie with Margot Robbie. It's just that I'm a little burnt out on comic book movies right now, though I've only seen a handful of them. The wife brought home a bunch of DVDs from the library, and that was one.
OK, about halfway through the movie (after we got through the boring stuff about how they assembled their team of lovable outcasts) it started to bother me that the witchcraft stuff, which I had not expected at all, was beginning to take over the movie. A few minutes later, and boom - this is now a Disney movie about an evil witch taking over the world. WHAT?! Why? Somebody break her stupid wand, and let's get on with the movie. :facepalm: Then the guy with fire-fingers suddenly turns into some kind of horned god of fire. What? No. Stop.
Also, it was more than a little ham-handed with the "but we're all bad" soul-searching and pop philosophy.
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That's the Enchantress.
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I thought it a bit odd that the most evil one in the movie seemed to be the CIA lady that set up the team. I just thought it a bit disjointed. The Joker part was I thought a bit over done. I liked it the first time I saw it, but less when I saw it again.
I also didn't really understand the prison they were in. Seemed more of a torture chamber.
Watch Cinema Sins' take on it on youtube now that you have seen it.
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That's the Enchantress.
nonchanté
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I thought it a bit odd that the most evil one in the movie seemed to be the CIA lady that set up the team.
I found that to be the most plausible aspect of the whole mess.
Watch Cinema Sins' take on it on youtube now that you have seen it.
More entertaining than the movie itself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH5YLq412Wc
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Watch Cinema Sins' take on it on youtube now that you have seen it.
As usual, Cinema Sins was way too hard on the movie they were reviewing. I mean, it asks at one point why the Joker would do something crazy, that leads to unnecessary violence. :facepalm:
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Counter to CinemaSins, CinemaWins; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2TRItGklnQ
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Another thing wrong with this movie, is the cryptic allusion to Superman being, uh, dead? I guess? I don't think they even said. And if Superman could be dead, maybe they should explain that, instead of just hinting at it.
This is the main reason why I don't bother with comic book films much anymore. There is a new movie every other week, and you have to watch them all (or have been reading comic books religiously for years) for things to make sense. Why do you want me to work so hard at escapism? Just make an enjoyable movie that doesn't require me to watch a lot of other movies as homework.
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Another thing wrong with this movie, is the cryptic allusion to Superman being, uh, dead? I guess? I don't think they even said. And if Superman could be dead, maybe they should explain that, instead of just hinting at it.
This is the main reason why I don't bother with comic book films much anymore. There is a new movie every other week, and you have to watch them all (or have been reading comic books religiously for years) for things to make sense. Why do you want me to work so hard at escapism? Just make an enjoyable movie that doesn't require me to watch a lot of other movies as homework.
Superman was "killed" at the end of Batman v. Superman, and buried.
They're called a "shared Universe" for a reason. There's lots of stand alone movies out there. Don't watch movies that are explicitly part of a series, based on serials in the first place, and then complain you are expected to know s little backstory. Go watch Eyes Wide Shut or something.
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I just don't think that's a good attitude for the studios to have. They could have at least said "Superman 'died,'" like you just did, but they didn't even say that. Ya know what? It actually makes more sense to assume I did NOT see it, since they put Ben Affleck in it. That's on them.
How about don't make your comic book movies so serious, and so often, that it turns into a very expensive TV series. It shouldn't make me earn it.
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How about don't make your comic book movies so serious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_5dP_83O7o
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You can watch them on their own. You aren't required to be familiar with the other movies in order to watch this one. Why would they have to explain the Superman situation? His story isn't integral to this movie.
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You can watch them on their own. You aren't required to be familiar with the other movies in order to watch this one. Why would they have to explain the Superman situation? His story isn't integral to this movie.
Not integral, no. That is not the main problem with the movie.
They're called a "shared Universe" for a reason. There's lots of stand alone movies out there. Don't watch movies that are explicitly part of a series, based on serials in the first place, and then complain you are expected to know s little backstory.
But they're not explicitly part of a series. Comics muggles like myself weren't expecting X-Men characters to show up in the Deadpool or Ant-Man movies. They weren't marketed that way, as far as I recall. Yet there they were.
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But they're not explicitly part of a series. Comics muggles like myself weren't expecting X-Men characters to show up in the Deadpool or Ant-Man movies. They weren't marketed that way, as far as I recall. Yet there they were.
They're comics. They are explicitly part of a series. That's how comics work. You just bit off more than you can chew.
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They're not comics. They're movies. Just like with adapting a novel to the screen. Not everything translates, and you have to make changes. That's why they're called adaptations.
And again, you're assuming a mass audience knows that Deadpool was a comic book character, and that he interacts with a specific set of characters. It's the assuming too much that is the problem.
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They're not comics. They're movies. Just like with adapting a novel to the screen. Not everything translates, and you have to make changes. That's why they're called adaptations.
And again, you're assuming a mass audience knows that Deadpool was a comic book character, and that he interacts with a specific set of characters. It's the assuming too much that is the problem.
Perhaps going to see movies you don't understand then expecting them to conform to your preconceptions is the problem.
Again, Deadpool is explicitly part of the "Marvel Cinematic Universe". It's not unreasonable to expect him to interact with that universe.
Suicide Squad is explicitly part the "DC Extended Universe". They interact with that universe.
Comic book movies have spent more than a decade and a half setting up that they operate in shared universes, and reference each other to greater or lesser extents. If you went to one not knowing that the problem is with you, not the movies.
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Perhaps going to see movies you don't understand then expecting them to conform to your preconceptions is the problem.
Again, Deadpool is explicitly part of the "Marvel Cinematic Universe". It's not unreasonable to expect him to interact with that universe.
Suicide Squad is explicitly part the "DC Extended Universe". They interact with that universe.
Comic book movies have spent more than a decade and a half setting up that they operate in shared universes, and reference each other to greater or lesser extents. If you went to one not knowing that the problem is with you, not the movies.
A lot of points that sound right to a comic book fan, but not to the general public.
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http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=deadpool2016.htm
Methinks the "General Public" does just fine, and you should probably just stop going to movies with backstory.
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Mayhaps if you want the back story you could/should now watch the movie that gives said back story?
These movies are part of a franchise. It's not unreasonable that other elements from the franchise will come up or play a part to greater or lesser degrees, and that you may miss out on some of the more subtle things having not seen those other movies or know the back story.
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... you should probably just stop going to movies with backstory.
Yeah, that's the message I'm getting.
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Mayhaps if you want the back story you could/should now watch the movie that gives said back story?
These movies are part of a franchise. It's not unreasonable that other elements from the franchise will come up or play a part to greater or lesser degrees, and that you may miss out on some of the more subtle things having not seen those other movies or know the back story.
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:laugh:. Also the message I'm getting.
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Perhaps going to see movies you don't understand then expecting them to conform to your preconceptions is the problem.
Again, Deadpool is explicitly part of the "Marvel Cinematic Universe". It's not unreasonable to expect him to interact with that universe.
Suicide Squad is explicitly part the "DC Extended Universe". They interact with that universe.
Comic book movies have spent more than a decade and a half setting up that they operate in shared universes, and reference each other to greater or lesser extents. If you went to one not knowing that the problem is with you, not the movies.
Except it isn't, because the movie rights to Marvel's characters are held by three different studios. So it's unlikely that Deadpool or any of the X-Men characters will appear in Avengers. MCU commonly refers only to those movies made by Marvel, which now DOES include Spider-Man, despite the rights being held by Sony.
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Except it isn't, because the movie rights to Marvel's characters are held by three different studios. So it's unlikely that Deadpool or any of the X-Men characters will appear in Avengers. MCU commonly refers only to those movies made by Marvel, which now DOES include Spider-Man, despite the rights being held by Sony.
While true for now, (X-men is arguably it's own, as intricate, universe since they have like 10-ish movies out) there is supposedly a cross-over charecter in GotG2, and talks of more sharing between Fox and Disney
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While true for now, (X-men is arguably it's own, as intricate, universe since they have like 10-ish movies out) there is supposedly a cross-over charecter in GotG2, and talks of more sharing between Fox and Disney
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More than I knew about.
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They're not comics. They're movies. Just like with adapting a novel to the screen. Not everything translates, and you have to make changes. That's why they're called adaptations.
And again, you're assuming a mass audience knows that Deadpool was a comic book character, and that he interacts with a specific set of characters. It's the assuming too much that is the problem.
Correct!
I had no idea what/who Deadpool was, still really don't.
All I know is he looks like spiderman. I thought those adds were for spiderman as a matter of fact.
Where do people find the time for comics?
the only comic i am interested in is walking dead, only because I didn't know it was a comic before I started watching.
Can't wait to see the last season
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And again, you're assuming a mass audience knows that Deadpool was a comic book character, and that he interacts with a specific set of characters. It's the assuming too much that is the problem.
What exactly is wrong with assuming that?
Well I guess we shouldn't have dinosaurs in the Jurassic Park movie because people might not know that it is based on a book about dinosaurs.
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What exactly is wrong with assuming that?
Well I guess we shouldn't have dinosaurs in the Jurassic Park movie because people might not know that it is based on a book about dinosaurs.
Ooooh, call the valid analogy committee. That's surely an award-winner.
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Correct!
I had no idea what/who Deadpool was, still really don't.
All I know is he looks like spiderman. I thought those adds were for spiderman as a matter of fact.
Where do people find the time for comics?
the only comic i am interested in is walking dead, only because I didn't know it was a comic before I started watching.
Can't wait to see the last season
I read a couple of comics when I was a teenager. It doesn't take a lot of time. I got bored with it when I got older and move to better stories in novels. They are a soap opera with super heroes for the most part.
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While the industry appreciates the "general public" enjoying comic book movies, the comic book movies were never intended for the "general public". They were intended to be for the comic book fans, of whom there are enough of for a movie of that scale to make money in the current pop culture world.
I don't know if you realize this, but those nerds spend oodles of money on this stuff. Hollywood may be stupid in some ways, but not when it comes to making bucks.
Fistful, if you don't like comic books, then why'd you even bother to see it? You sound like an idiot. Stick to the stupid comedies and romantic drama's of your demographic and leave us comic book nerds to enjoy (or bitch over) our caped crusaders on the big screen.
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Fistful, if you don't like comic books, then why'd you even bother to see it? You sound like an idiot. Stick to the stupid comedies and romantic drama's of your demographic and leave us comic book nerds to enjoy (or bitch over) our caped crusaders on the big screen.
What? My "demographic" like stupid comedies and romantic dramas? ??? Which demographic is that?
I've enjoyed some comic book movies. I thought Deadpool was alright. Come to think of it, it actually was a stupid comedy and a romantic drama, and a comic book movie at the same time.
Don't tell me you actually liked Suicide Squad, though. Comics books aside, that movie was not very good.
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Don't tell me you actually liked Suicide Squad, though. Comics books aside, that movie was not very good.
I was disappointed in it. It had a lot of things going for it, but they picked a story arc that was too complicated and detailed for an origins movie, especially a team, which resulted in several characters not getting the attention they deserved and too much backing and forthing during the story.
The reason I didn't get into my specific critique of Suicide Squad was because my issues with it have nothing to do with your issues. I don't have a problem with The Enchantress being magic (because, you know, she's magic. Always has been) or being confused that Superman is "dead" (How many times has he died, anyway? It happens a lot)
Just like I was actually totally psyched when Deadpool interacted with the token X-Men and don't get confused with the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver being in both the Avengers and the X-Men, with different backstories, ages and, well, everything.
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I wouldn't have complained about the magic part, if she had just been an ensemble character. Or if the magic had been delineated in some way, like any other super-power. But the whole thing they did with her was really sloppy. And they made it central to the whole movie. It all felt very Maleficent to me.
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What? My "demographic" like stupid comedies and romantic dramas? ??? Which demographic is that?
You know, old people!
with yer liberty valence and yer zane greys and yer true grits :old:
them comics is fer them youngsters, with their fancy pants and hipster capes and doodads.
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You know, old people!
with yer liberty valence and yer zane greys and yer true grits :old:
them comics is fer them youngsters, with their fancy pants and hipster capes and doodads.
My Dad was a comic fanboi before you were a twinkle in your daddys eyes. :P
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I wouldn't have complained about the magic part, if she had just been an ensemble character. Or if the magic had been delineated in some way, like any other super-power. But the whole thing they did with her was really sloppy. And they made it central to the whole movie. It all felt very Maleficent to me.
How long before you start complaining about Groot having a three word vocabulary?