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If they can do it, why not us?
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Re: If they can do it, why not us?
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2017, 05:30:44 PM »
This lends itself well to automation too, and economies of scale. It's another step towards post-scarcity.
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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2017, 06:52:37 PM »
If we can get .gov out of the agriculture business, then we could easily do this.
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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2017, 07:40:05 PM »
Those Dutch greenhouses are using a ton of electricity.
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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2017, 08:08:01 PM »
I'm sure there are some growers in Colorado that could compete pretty well with this if their main crop wasn't so lucrative.
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« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2017, 04:41:01 AM »
Quote from: Sideways_8 on October 06, 2017, 08:08:01 PM
I'm sure there are some growers in Colorado that could compete pretty well with this if their main crop wasn't so lucrative.

Kinda makes me wonder how they handle snow and hail on the greenhouses.

Seems to me that skimpy little article could use some amplification and examination of some of the problems instead of being all marvey-poo and pink unicorny.

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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2017, 05:40:23 PM »
We can colonize Mars using the Dutch.
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Re: If they can do it, why not us?
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2017, 06:47:23 PM »
Quote from: 230RN on October 07, 2017, 04:41:01 AM
Kinda makes me wonder how they handle snow and hail on the greenhouses.

Seems to me that skimpy little article could use some amplification and examination of some of the problems instead of being all marvey-poo and pink unicorny.

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Since it's on the tail end of the Atlantic Conveyor (Gulf Stream) they get rain, not much snow, nor many thunderstorms.  Germany, especially the Schnee Eifel and Hunsruck* mountains got the snow.

I was stationed in the Hunsruck, I can't recall a single Thunderstorm my entire time in Germany.  Lots and lots of snow and rain.  But Germany doesn't have that High Pressure meeting Low Pressure fronts that cause the storms, nor does it get all that hot where there are the late afternoon/early evening storms. 
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« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2017, 07:24:02 PM »
Well, OK, so there's the amplification they left out of the article.

I'd like to see them wail and moan over all them acres and acres (hectares and hectares) of greenhouses getting clobbered by 1 inch (2.54 cm) hailstones or lifted up and scattered by 50 mph (75 km/h) downdraft winds.

Or covered by 6" (15.24 cm) of wet heavy snow.

We can do that here?

Maybe in very selected places in the southwest and possibly the west coast.

Or with specialized glass roofing.

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Re: If they can do it, why not us?
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2017, 10:42:14 AM »
Quote from: Amy Schumer on October 06, 2017, 06:52:37 PM
If we can get .gov out of the agriculture business, then we could easily do this.

Still going to need a stop loss subsidy so producers will produce (hopefully control wild swings in the food market, guarantee a food crop) and also make vertical agriculture above a certain tonnage illegal. This way a small producer can still have a vegetable stand/boutique animals/specialized dairy, but keeps giants like Tyson or Cargill from owning any animals/crops until they buy it. No more contract growers, keep the money local and producers can control what they want to produce.

Autonomous farming in a traditional row crop is coming.
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« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2017, 10:44:22 AM »
Quote from: 230RN on October 07, 2017, 04:41:01 AM
Kinda makes me wonder how they handle snow and hail on the greenhouses.

Seems to me that skimpy little article could use some amplification and examination of some of the problems instead of being all marvey-poo and pink unicorny.

Terry, 230RN

Giga has a large greenhouse in Michigan at his family buisness. Both thunderstorms and snowfall aplenty there.  How does his handle it?
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« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2017, 08:44:19 AM »
Energy intensive, capital intensive, etc. Not saying it's not smart, but we have more than 10x the land. Eventually, as it becomes profitable, we definitely can move to high density automated farming.



Quote from: charby on October 09, 2017, 10:42:14 AM
Still going to need a stop loss subsidy so producers will produce (hopefully control wild swings in the food market, guarantee a food crop) and also make vertical agriculture above a certain tonnage illegal. This way a small producer can still have a vegetable stand/boutique animals/specialized dairy, but keeps giants like Tyson or Cargill from owning any animals/crops until they buy it. No more contract growers, keep the money local and producers can control what they want to produce.

Autonomous farming in a traditional row crop is coming.

Already here to various extents. Not sure why the legal restrictions are necessary. Is anti-competition consolidation that big of an issue with ag giants?
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Re: If they can do it, why not us?
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2017, 10:23:58 AM »
Quote from: RevDisk on October 10, 2017, 08:44:19 AM
Energy intensive, capital intensive, etc. Not saying it's not smart, but we have more than 10x the land. Eventually, as it becomes profitable, we definitely can move to high density automated farming.



Already here to various extents. Not sure why the legal restrictions are necessary. Is anti-competition consolidation that big of an issue with ag giants?

Yes, I'm surprised there hasn't been antitrust violations issued. Also here in Iowa most hogs are owned by the packers and they contract growers to raise them and handle the manure disposal.
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