Author Topic: 7 people in Cali plead guilty to providing support for Mujahedin-e Khalq-e  (Read 7841 times)

Ryan in Maine

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 598
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090430/ap_on_re_us/us_terror_support

Quote
SANTA ANA, Calif. – Seven people have pleaded guilty in California to providing material support to an Iraq-based terrorist organization.

The defendants entered their pleas Wednesday and each faces up to 20 years in prison.

Prosecutors say the defendants admitted they raised funds for the Mujahedin-e Khalq (moo-juh-hah-DEEN'-e kalk), or MEK. The State Department says the militia was supported by Saddam Hussein and works against the Iranian government.

They also say the defendants admitted collecting money from supporters and soliciting money from donors at locations such as Los Angeles International Airport by saying it was for a human rights charity.

The United States designated the group a foreign terrorist organization in 1997.

How embarrassing. And aggravating.

P.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Mujahedin_of_Iran

freedom lover

  • resident high school student
  • Senior Member
  • **
  • Posts: 745
  • "Who is the Coon?"
These people should be tried and publicly executed. The sytem of appeals is a waste of money.

cassandra and sara's daddy

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 20,781
decaf junior
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


by someone older and wiser than I

El Tejon

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 3,641
    • http://www.kirkfreemanlaw.com
Quote
These people should be tried and publicly executed. The sytem of appeals is a waste of money.

What's to appeal?  They pled guilty.  Is this a conditional plea?  Was there a denial of a motion to suppress or something. :|
I do not smoke pot, wear Wookie suits, live in my mom's basement, collect unemployment checks or eat Cheetoes, therefore I am not a Ron Paul voter.

freedom lover

  • resident high school student
  • Senior Member
  • **
  • Posts: 745
  • "Who is the Coon?"
What's to appeal?  They pled guilty.  Is this a conditional plea?  Was there a denial of a motion to suppress or something. :|

I was speaking in a general sense. If I had my way the justice system would be very different.

I don't often drink coffee and I didn't today. My ideas are simply unorthodox. I like to think I am a realist.

cassandra and sara's daddy

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 20,781
My ideas are simply unorthodox.


they are very orthodox.... in certain circles.
i can remember arms for the ira jars on the bars in new york
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


by someone older and wiser than I

El Tejon

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 3,641
    • http://www.kirkfreemanlaw.com
Quote
I was speaking in a general sense. If I had my way the justice system would be very different.

You do realize that if we did not have appellate courts, we would not have the Heller decision.

If you did have your way, would would review the trial courts?  The President?  A Justice Czar appointed by Obama?  A committee of media titans?  Who?
I do not smoke pot, wear Wookie suits, live in my mom's basement, collect unemployment checks or eat Cheetoes, therefore I am not a Ron Paul voter.

freedom lover

  • resident high school student
  • Senior Member
  • **
  • Posts: 745
  • "Who is the Coon?"
You do realize that if we did not have appellate courts, we would not have the Heller decision.

My statement was much too general. I should have said I am against the practice of murderers and violent criminals wasting taxpayer money through multiple appeals. It would be cheaper to just kill them quickly.

My ideas to create a better, more orderly society may never be applied, but I still think they are good.

freedom lover

  • resident high school student
  • Senior Member
  • **
  • Posts: 745
  • "Who is the Coon?"
Before anyone jokes about my foolishness and general behavior on this board, I'd like to inform the public that I am aware of my youth and inexeperiance in certain areas of life, among them internet posting.

Nick1911

  • Administrator
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8,492
My statement was much too general. I should have said I am against the practice of murderers and violent criminals wasting taxpayer money through multiple appeals. It would be cheaper to just kill them quickly.

My ideas to create a better, more orderly society may never be applied, but I still think they are good.

You've got me curious.  What are your ideas? Can you go into detail?  Give us an outline?

cassandra and sara's daddy

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 20,781
who did these fundraisers kill?
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


by someone older and wiser than I

seeker_two

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 12,922
  • In short, most intelligence is false.
It's threads like these that make me look forward to the day that freedom lover meets shootinstudent....  =D
Impressed yet befogged, they grasped at his vivid leading phrases, seeing only their surface meaning, and missing the deeper current of his thought.

AZRedhawk44

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 13,984
So... we just cut an ally against Iran off at the knees?

How wise of us.  :rolleyes:

I'd like to know what targets they attacked before accepting the label of "terrorists" being put on them.  If they only targeted the government of Iran and no deliberate lay citizen attacks, then I disagree with the label very strongly.

Next, we'll be telling Burma that we'd happily convict Aung San Kyu Chee (or however you spell her name) and store her in one of our SuperMaxes for them.

Just because you aren't a government in yourself doesn't mean you can't wage war against another government... if the grievance is there then have at it.

Our enemies certainly have no similar compunctions.
"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist."
--Lysander Spooner

I reject your authoritah!

HankB

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 16,676
I'm not familiar with these people - has this group committed any acts of terrorism against the USA or its allies, or have they only targeted Iran?

If the former - fry 'em.   :mad:

If the latter - fund 'em.   =D
Trump won in 2016. Democrats haven't been so offended since Republicans came along and freed their slaves.
Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it. - Mark Twain
Government is a broker in pillage, and every election is a sort of advance auction in stolen goods. - H.L. Mencken
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. - Mark Twain

freedom lover

  • resident high school student
  • Senior Member
  • **
  • Posts: 745
  • "Who is the Coon?"
You've got me curious.  What are your ideas? Can you go into detail?  Give us an outline?

I can do that. Just keep in mind that it would be hard to implement them unless I was some kind of dictator. They are mostly theoretical. Also remember that the American people and our culture would have to change tremendously for them to work properly.

foreign policy: Anyone who attacks us or who we go to war with will be totally annilhiated. If 911 happened and I was in charge Afghanistan and probably Pakistan would be a radioactive wasteland. We will not send peace keepers to anyone who is not an ally. Third world dictators will not be pandered to. Illegal immigration will be stopped.

Criminal Justice: Murder, attempted murder, terrorism, terrorist conspiracy, treason, home invasion, kidnapping for ransom, and spying will result in a trial and public execution. Minor torts such as vandalism, shoplifting, etc will be punished by public flogging and pillories for the first and second offences. Appeals in criminal trials will be limited. There will be no insanity defense. Inmates will be worked hard and fed little. In prison: rape, fighting, rioting, assault of officers, attempts to escape, attempts at suicide, and food fighting will be punished with immediate execution.

economic policy: Limited government intervention in business affairs. No bailouts. Extremely limited subsidization. Few restrictions on business. No grants for anything that will not benefit America or Americans.

fiscal policy: Graduated income tax. No sales tax. No vice tax. No NFA tax. No wasteful spending. No earmarks.
 
energy policy: Increased drilling in America. Grants for the development of coal gasification, cellulosic ethanol, and cheaper reactors. Lift of ban on recycling nuclear waste.

transportation policy: Fix public roads and bridges. Lift certain safety and emissions regulations on small cars.

trading policy: End most tariffs. Limit protectionism.

social policy: Severly limit welfare and medicaid.

education policy: End required physical education. End extracurricular sports programs. Make physchology, government, and new courses on societal philosophy required. Require lessons in gun safety and familiarization.

Weapon policy: Make the Castle Doctrine federal law. Create more defender friendly self defense laws. Legalize open and concealed carry and the use of all nonfirearm weapons execpt high explosives. Legalize everything at or below 120mm, including full autos. That last part would be the hardest to do, as many people would be violently opposed to my plans.

I think that's enough for now.







cassandra and sara's daddy

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 20,781
sigh... that takes me back 40 years to when i knew everything too.


I can do that. Just keep in mind that it would be hard to implement them unless I was some kind of dictator. They are mostly theoreticaltheatrical. Also remember that the American people and our culture would have to change tremendously for them to work properly


fixed the spelling error
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


by someone older and wiser than I

AZRedhawk44

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 13,984
Quote
Just keep in mind that it would be hard to implement them unless I was some kind of dictator. They are mostly theoretical. Also remember that the American people and our culture would have to change tremendously for them to work properly.

Just like most despotisms and Communist/Socialist states:  It would work right if only I was in charge and they did it MY way!

 :angel:

"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist."
--Lysander Spooner

I reject your authoritah!

cassandra and sara's daddy

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 20,781
i would prefer to have MY  reign described as benevolent despotism if you please
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


by someone older and wiser than I

freedom lover

  • resident high school student
  • Senior Member
  • **
  • Posts: 745
  • "Who is the Coon?"
Just like most despotisms and Communist/Socialist states:  It would work right if only I was in charge and they did it MY way!

It will be a cold day in hell before I find any voters who agree with me.

sigh... that takes me back 40 years to when i knew everything too.

I only wish I knew everything.

i would prefer to have MY  reign described as benevolent despotism if you please

Why do you mock me when I do not mock you? Granted, you do have more reason.

cassandra and sara's daddy

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 20,781
dude i wasn't intending to mock you  that was me i mocked i actually thought like that and said that.  when we raze you take comfort in two things  we envy you your fervor and energy   and more importantly there is a new generation behind you that you get to give a hard time to from your own mount olympus. just as we cast bolts from ours.
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


by someone older and wiser than I

AZRedhawk44

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 13,984
Freedom lover:

Read Plato's "Republic."  In particular, pay attention to the allegory of the cave, and also the notion of the benevolent dictator.

A must-read prior to anyone getting too headstrong in any particular political sway.
"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist."
--Lysander Spooner

I reject your authoritah!

MicroBalrog

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 14,505
Quote
Next, we'll be telling Burma that we'd happily convict Aung San Kyu Chee (or however you spell her name) and store her in one of our SuperMaxes for them.

Don't joke - there are several Uyghur rebels you're already 'storing' in Gitmo.
Destroy The Enemy in Hand-to-Hand Combat.

"...tradition and custom becomes intertwined and are a strong coercion which directs the society upon fixed lines, and strangles liberty. " ~ William Graham Sumner

agricola

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1,248
So... we just cut an ally against Iran off at the knees?

How wise of us.  :rolleyes:

I'd like to know what targets they attacked before accepting the label of "terrorists" being put on them.  If they only targeted the government of Iran and no deliberate lay citizen attacks, then I disagree with the label very strongly.

Next, we'll be telling Burma that we'd happily convict Aung San Kyu Chee (or however you spell her name) and store her in one of our SuperMaxes for them.

Just because you aren't a government in yourself doesn't mean you can't wage war against another government... if the grievance is there then have at it.

Our enemies certainly have no similar compunctions.

The MeK are terrorists though, and have been since before the revolution.
"Idiot!  A long life eating mush is best."
"Make peace, you fools"

HankB

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 16,676
. . . education policy:  . . . Make physchology, government, and new courses on societal philosophy required. Require lessons in gun safety and familiarization.
Maebi speling klas, tou?  :laugh:

And courses in "societal philosophy" sound like indoctrination . . .  :O
Trump won in 2016. Democrats haven't been so offended since Republicans came along and freed their slaves.
Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it. - Mark Twain
Government is a broker in pillage, and every election is a sort of advance auction in stolen goods. - H.L. Mencken
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. - Mark Twain

RevDisk

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 12,633
    • RevDisk.net
These people should be tried and publicly executed. The system of appeals is a waste of money.

Did anyone else read this post, look at the nick and start laughing hysterically? 

Anyways, the whole Due Process thing is kinda part of the Constitution.  They broke the law, had a fair trial, plead guilty and will now face their sentence.  Uh, yay?


I can do that. Just keep in mind that it would be hard to implement them unless I was some kind of dictator. They are mostly theoretical. Also remember that the American people and our culture would have to change tremendously for them to work properly.

I hate to say this, but I'm rather glad you are not the dictator.  America is a pretty decent place and civil wars are messy. 

Re foreign policy - We as a country have a long standing ban on nuclear first strike.  For bloody good reason.  I don't disagree with the peace keeper thing.  I was one of them.  Never under UN control, thank the Gods. 

Not sure what you mean by 'pandering to third world dictators'.  Unless you mean we'll stop installing and supporting friendly dictators.  That would be a nice change, but unlikely.  If you're referring to hostile action against dictators we officially disapprove of, we don't always have the best track record of 'managing' them.  Castro has been sitting off our coast for quite a few years. 

As for stopping illegal immigration, it'd be nice.  But I'm curious how you'd do so.  No offense, but you seem to lean very heavily towards authoritarian measures.  I'd prefer not to have checkpoints everywhere and be forced to carry an internal passport.  I spent too much time in former Communist countries to ever want the US to go down that road.

I used to be strongly pro death penalty.  I still am, sorta.  I have no theoretical problem with the concept, but after working for the government, I question their competency to do so.   As others have said, it is refreshing to see someone so young with so much faith in the fairness and infalliability of our government.   

Unfortunately, the whole flogging thing is un-Constitutional.  Cruel and unusual punishment and all that.  Appeals are kinda Constitutional.  The right to petition for redress and such.  Starving inmates and forcing them to do hard labor would be an interesting Constitutional lawsuit.  Summary execution of a civilian not in self-defense would also probably fail the whole Constitutional thing.

No problems with your economic ideas.  Be rather nice and freedom oriented.  Ditto fiscal. 

Re energy policy, it's nice but it wouldn't do too much.  Lifting  regulation geared entirely at preventing or inhibiting construction of energy resources would help.  It's not the price of the reactor that is prohibitive, it's the fact that you are flat out not allowed to build them.

As for your trading policy, theoretically an excellent idea.  Not such a great idea if the countries you export to don't play by the same rules.

If I may inquire, what's wrong with gym class?  Also, under which provision of the Constitution would the fed.gov be allowed to ban sports programs?  Also, let me guess, the classes on psychology, government and social programming would be less than ah, 'balanced'.       



« Last Edit: April 30, 2009, 09:35:49 PM by RevDisk »
"Rev, your picture is in my King James Bible, where Paul talks about "inventors of evil."  Yes, I know you'll take that as a compliment."  - Fistful, possibly highest compliment I've ever received.