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Desertdog

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Scientists Say Arctic Once Was Tropical
« on: May 31, 2006, 11:29:38 AM »
What in the world did man do to cause or cure that problem of Global Warmining?  
I doubt if man had a hand in it then, or now.

Scientists Say Arctic Once Was Tropical
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060531/D8HUSONG1.html


WASHINGTON (AP) - Scientists have found what might have been the ideal ancient vacation hotspot with a 74-degree Fahrenheit average temperature, alligator ancestors and palm trees. It's smack in the middle of the Arctic.

First-of-its-kind core samples dug up from deep beneath the Arctic Ocean floor show that 55 million years ago an area near the North Pole was practically a subtropical paradise, three new studies show.

The scientists say their findings are a glimpse backward into a much warmer-than-thought polar region heated by run-amok greenhouse gases that came about naturally.

Skeptics of man-made causes of global warming have nothing to rejoice over, however. The researchers say their studies appearing in Thursday's issue of Nature also offer a peak at just how bad conditions can get.

"It probably was (a tropical paradise) but the mosquitoes were probably the size of your head," said Yale geology professor Mark Pagani, a study co-author.

And what a watery, swampy world it must have been.

"Imagine a world where there are dense sequoia trees and cypress trees like in Florida that ring the Arctic Ocean," said Pagani, a member of the multinational Arctic Coring Expedition that conducted the research.

Millions of years ago the Earth experienced an extended period of natural global warming. But around 55 million years ago there was a sudden supercharged spike of carbon dioxide that accelerated the greenhouse effect.

Scientists already knew this "thermal event" happened but are not sure what caused it. Perhaps massive releases of methane from the ocean, the continent-sized burning of trees, lots of volcanic eruptions.

Many experts figured that while the rest of the world got really hot, the polar regions were still comfortably cooler, maybe about 52 degrees Fahrenheit.

But the new research found the polar average was closer to 74 degrees. So instead of Boston-like weather year-round, the Arctic was more like Miami North. Way north.

"It's the first time we've looked at the Arctic, and man, it was a big surprise to us," said study co-author Kathryn Moran, an oceanographer at the University of Rhode Island. "It's a new look to how the Earth can respond to these peaks in carbon dioxide."

It's enough to make Santa Claus break into a sweat.

The 74-degree temperature, based on core samples which act as a climatic time capsule, was probably the year-round average, but because data is so limited it might also be just the summertime average, researchers said.

What's troubling is that this hints that future projections for warming, several degrees over the next century, may be on the low end, said study lead author Appy Sluijs of the Institute of Environmental Biology at Utrecht University in the Netherlands.

Also it shows that what happened 55 million years ago was proof that too much carbon dioxide - more than four times current levels - can cause global warming, said another co-author Henk Brinkhuis at Utrecht University.

Purdue University atmospheric sciences professor Gabriel Bowen, who was not part of the team, praised the work and said it showed that "there are tipping points in our (climate) system that can throw us to these conditions."

And the new research also gave scientists the idea that a simple fern may have helped pull Earth from a hothouse to an icehouse by sucking up massive amounts of carbon dioxide. Unfortunately, this natural solution to global warming was not exactly quick: It took about a million years.

With all that heat and massive freshwater lakes forming in the Arctic, a fern called Azolla started growing and growing. Azolla, still found in warm regions today, grew so deep, so wide that eventually it started sucking up carbon dioxide, Brinkhuis theorized. And that helped put the cool back in the Arctic.

Bowen said he has a hard time accepting that part of the research, but Brinkhuis said the studies show tons upon tons of thick mats of Azolla covered the Arctic and moved south.

"This could actually contribute to push the world to a cooling mode," Brinkhuis said, but only after it got hotter first and then it would take at least 800,000 years to cool back down. It's not something to look forward to, he said.

Azrael256

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« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2006, 12:43:10 PM »
Yeah, whatever.  Things go in cycles, and natural processes have a greater influence on Earth's climate than human ones.
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The researchers say their studies appearing in Thursday's issue of Nature also offer a peak at just how bad conditions can get.
I stopped reading right there.

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« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2006, 01:17:31 PM »
Despite the author's horror, I think it sounds quite comfy, actually.

Four times the current CO2 level?  So I guess we need to generate a lot more CO2, like about 12 times what we've already added to the atmosphere.

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« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2006, 02:53:58 PM »
Actually, 55 million years ago American Republican capitalists ran a civilization that created a lot of greenhouse gasses and they destroyed themselves because of global warming.  They were much further advanced than us.  The pyramids and artifacts in South America are remnants of that society.  The pyramids were actually Elk's lodges.
The spooky artifacts in S. America were built using anti gravity devices.  They used those devices to leave the planet from the tops of the temples that remain.  They were called SpacePorts in those days; well actually the correct word was TeepingSpace.
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« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2006, 06:07:09 PM »
...so the heat cycle kicks in, antarctica melts, and everybody scooches north or south to be comfortable. Russia gets an ice-free northern pass, there's a lot of bickering over what nation owns what slice of antarctica (the new vacation destination! 70 degree summers!), the family Saud takes a walk in the Arabian desert and spontaneously bursts into flame, hell, sounds good to me Smiley

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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2006, 05:18:28 PM »
"Millions of years ago the Earth experienced an extended period of natural global warming........
Scientists already knew this "thermal event" happened but are not sure what caused it..........."



Not much has changed in 55 million years.

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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2006, 05:25:53 PM »
It really bothers me that as a kid , I respected scientists and wanted to become one....

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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2006, 06:04:14 AM »
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"It probably was (a tropical paradise) but the mosquitoes were probably the size of your head,"
So, what caliber for human-head sized mosquitoes? Cheesy
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