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NYC Underwater Subway
« on: July 08, 2021, 07:36:35 PM »
Seriously - who would need to catch a train so bad that they would wade through this stuff?!? If you go up the stairs, there's taxis and ubers.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/07/08/theres-some-flooding-going-on-in-new-york-citys-subway-system-but-people-are-toughing-it-out/
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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2021, 08:00:02 PM »
Do they actually think that train is actually going anywhere? Must be AOC's district  :facepalm:
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Re: NYC Underwater Subway
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2021, 08:42:54 PM »
Do they actually think that train is actually going anywhere? Must be AOC's district  :facepalm:

This has me confused also but it looks like the trains are still running.

https://nypost.com/2021/07/08/new-yorkers-wade-through-underground-lakes-as-subway-stations-flood/


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Re: NYC Underwater Subway
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2021, 08:44:54 PM »
My daughter lives in Queens and works in Manhattan and she has personal experience with the subways continuing to run as the tunnels flood.  Obviously just to a certain point, however.
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Re: NYC Underwater Subway
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2021, 08:57:19 PM »
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Re: NYC Underwater Subway
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2021, 10:01:50 PM »
But the Transit Authority has declared that the flooding was "unacceptable" ... so it's all good.
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Re: NYC Underwater Subway
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2021, 12:39:37 PM »
So what's the voltage on those third rails?
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Re: NYC Underwater Subway
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2021, 12:43:09 PM »
My daughter lives in Queens and works in Manhattan and she has personal experience with the subways continuing to run as the tunnels flood.  Obviously just to a certain point, however.

Insane IMHO
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2021, 12:46:02 PM »
So what's the voltage on those third rails?

That's what I was wondering as well. They must be contained/insulated somehow.
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Re: NYC Underwater Subway
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2021, 12:51:25 PM »
My big take-away from it was that the State of NY is responsible for subway maintenance.

Why the hell is NY State paying for a service that is only localized to New York City?  Must be more of that "privatize gain, subsidize loss" mindset.
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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2021, 01:05:49 PM »
So what's the voltage on those third rails?

NYC runs 625 volts DC.

I THINK Washington Metro runs at 750 volts.
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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2021, 01:06:33 PM »
How many amps?
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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2021, 01:08:25 PM »
Haven't found anything about the amperage.
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Re: NYC Underwater Subway
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2021, 02:51:38 PM »
Here in St. Louis, the electric stuff runs on overhead wires. I don't think that we've lost any tweakers to 'em yet, but I'm not gonna be surprised.
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Re: NYC Underwater Subway
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2021, 05:57:08 PM »
I'm pretty sure the NY subways run with the electrical power coming from a third rail. I'm not sure where the ground is -- probably one or both of the main carriage rails.
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Re: NYC Underwater Subway
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2021, 09:15:06 PM »
Well, I am impressed with their.... persistence.     :O

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« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2021, 09:32:13 PM »
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« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2021, 12:14:49 AM »
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Re: NYC Underwater Subway
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2021, 09:49:08 AM »
NYC runs 625 volts DC.

I THINK Washington Metro runs at 750 volts.

It's not the voltage that gets you.  It's the current.  In this case, you drown in the current.
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Re: NYC Underwater Subway
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2021, 09:51:50 AM »
It's not the voltage that gets you.  It's the current.  In this case, you drown in the current.

The thought of drowning has always been one of my "worst way to die" scenarios. Drowning in NYC sewer water just takes it to the whole next level.
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Re: NYC Underwater Subway
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2021, 09:53:54 AM »
The thought of drowning has always been one of my "worst way to die" scenarios. Drowning in NYC sewer water just takes it to the whole next level.

You don't drown in NYC sewers.  You dissolve.


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Re: NYC Underwater Subway
« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2021, 10:09:28 AM »
 ^^^ roffle

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After six years of traveling the subways from Queens to Brooklyn and Manhattan, I recall that the third rail was mostly covered over to prevent casual mechanical contact.  There was an open slot for the sliders on the cars to pick up the energy to run them.  The "ground" was the other running rails.  (These had jumpers between the sections of steel rails to allow for better conduction.)

So that's why I posed the question --to ask why flooding didn't disrupt service altogether. Seems strange to me, as well as others.  The total current delivery capacity must be enormous.  And if I may say so, the notion that it's the current-delivering capacity of an electrical system which is dangerous is false without considering the voltages and resistances involved.

The current-delivering capacity of the ordinary car battery is pretty large (+300Amps) but you can lay hands across the battery terminals without ill effect since it's only 12 volts.  Just don't drop a wrench with ~zero ohms resistance across the terminals... that's where the current delivering capacity is dangerous.

2.  With an unknown number of cars running over each set of rails, it would be impossible to figure total current draw without the number of cars and current draw for each car. I do know, from inspectin from the subway platforms, that tht third rail was a pretty substantial hunka conductor.  I imagine the data is available  somewhere on the net, but that doesn't matter in respect to the question as to how come the whole system isn't shorted out.

Maybe it was all distilled water, which is basically nonconductive =D

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Most people don't realize that there is an umbilical cord between NYC and Albany.  NYC politics practically runs the State, but many people with vested interests in that umbiical cord remaining uncut would vehemently deny this. (At least that was the situation when I moved out to Colorado mid-last-century.)

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I still follow NY affairs, but with about the same level of interest  that I follow Papal matters and British Royalty matters --that is, for the amusement factor alone.

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Re: NYC Underwater Subway
« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2021, 01:30:59 PM »
Wading through water in an NYC subway means wading through the waste of innumerable bums and vagrants along with drugs, bugs, rats, and other stuff that's probably even more disgusting.   [barf]

Wonder what vaccinations are suggested after doing so - tetanus, hepatitis, cholera, typhus . . . probably quite a long list.
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Re: NYC Underwater Subway
« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2021, 01:37:40 PM »
Wading through water in an NYC subway means wading through the waste of innumerable bums and vagrants along with drugs, bugs, rats, and other stuff that's probably even more disgusting.   [barf]

Wonder what vaccinations are suggested after doing so - tetanus, hepatitis, cholera, typhus . . . probably quite a long list.

I think I would rather take a swim in *expletive deleted*it River. The river between Subic Naval Base and the city of Olongapo, Philippines . I don't need to tell you how it got its name!!!   [barf]

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« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2021, 01:45:01 PM »
BobR, that's a universal problem of rivers. Friend of mine used to visit India and mentioned that the Ganges was filled with ick, including partially-burned corpses from their hastily-finished and sparsely-fueled funeral services.

Wading through water in an NYC subway means wading through the waste of innumerable bums and vagrants along with drugs, bugs, rats, and other stuff that's probably even more disgusting.   [barf]

Wonder what vaccinations are suggested after doing so - tetanus, hepatitis, cholera, typhus . . . probably quite a long list.

Because of the dense packing of people on the subways --and in general --I believe New Yorkers are invulnerable to many diseases because of horde immunity.

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