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Re: Thoughts on pistol caliber AR's?
« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2010, 06:58:04 PM »
hmm 18inch barrel, 260grain at 800fps(with a very fast pistol powder). hmm might be fun. [popcorn]

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Re: Thoughts on pistol caliber AR's?
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2010, 07:02:02 PM »
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Re: Thoughts on pistol caliber AR's?
« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2010, 07:40:36 PM »
Huh, anyone seen this MGI modular thingy? Seems like a neat lil deal, assuming it's reliable and not hype. http://www.mgimilitary.com/store/
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Re: Thoughts on pistol caliber AR's?
« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2010, 07:47:29 PM »
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Re: Thoughts on pistol caliber AR's?
« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2010, 07:53:19 PM »
In my little pea brain I see an AR upper in .45 that uses a PS90 like mag. 50 rounds would be fine, unless you want to go with a rifle length upper and fit a 100rd up there.

I like the Camp carbine idea, but if I ever get any suppressors I want the first to be on a Marlin .45-70 lever gun. If it's going to have to go slow to be quiet, it might as well be really big.
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Re: Thoughts on pistol caliber AR's?
« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2010, 07:56:24 PM »
I like the Camp carbine idea, but if I ever get any suppressors I want the first to be on a Marlin .45-70 lever gun. If it's going to have to go slow to be quiet, it might as well be really big.

I'd go with 458 SOCOM instead  =D
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Re: Thoughts on pistol caliber AR's?
« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2010, 08:39:40 PM »
I seem to remember some sort of levergun someone made that was suppressed.  I believe it was intended for hunting, but I don't remember the make or the caliber. 

A local shop had a couple of Steyr bolt action 308 rifles.  The guy said you could get them suppressed and get subsonic ammo for 308 that used a pretty hefty bullet. 

I think if I was going to go with a suppressed rifle, I would want to go as quiet as possible and NOT get a semi-auto. 
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Re: Thoughts on pistol caliber AR's?
« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2010, 08:40:58 PM »
They ARE? That's odd, since MPA MAC10 clones use grease gun mags.

My mistake....  :facepalm:


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Re: Thoughts on pistol caliber AR's?
« Reply #33 on: February 23, 2010, 09:58:15 PM »
How could I have neglected the Marlin Camp - i either .45ACP with 1911 mags or in 9mm with S&W mags? :facepalm:

Old-school compared to the AR platform, but just as efficient.

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Re: Thoughts on pistol caliber AR's?
« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2010, 11:08:17 PM »
The camp carbine 45 was an Ayoob fav in 2000:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_5_46/ai_60897644/

& Kim du Toit wrote his up as a bug out gun
http://www.theothersideofkim.com/index.php/ggps/4936/

http://blogostuff.blogspot.com/2007/04/marlin-camp-45-tips.html

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Re: Thoughts on pistol caliber AR's?
« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2010, 11:15:23 PM »
what about something like a Mech-Tech CCU?   http://www.mechtechsys.com/  Use your 1911 or Glock .45 frame and magazines, just take off the pistol slide and replace it with the CCU.

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Re: Thoughts on pistol caliber AR's?
« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2010, 12:30:17 AM »
I thought the mech-tech was cool until the Kel-tec Sub-2000 made it obsolete. 33rd Glock mags, lots of them. HMMM, need a sub-2000 in .357 sig or 10mm, that'd be zippy.
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Re: Thoughts on pistol caliber AR's?
« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2010, 12:48:15 AM »
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Why did Marlin stop making them?

Some say they didn't fit in with Marlin's image, which is weighted towards the FUDD side of guns. Some say they didn't sale that well...

Personally, I've owned and sold a Marlin Camp Carbine in 9mm. It was more Meh than anything.

Some downsides of the Marlin Camp rifles...

Undersprung from the factory. Particularly the 45ACP versions. This would cause stock cracking. Wolff gunsprings makes 16.5 and 21lb springs that will work in both, but does make charging the weapon harder.

Factory bolt buffer disintegrates. If it falls apart and is not replaced, the stock and sometimes the reciever cracks. Blackjack makes buffers for it.

Lower- lower is made of plastic, and it's an old tech plastic that is NOT solvent resistant. Get a little too enthusiastic with the solvent and your lower can start to melt. That also makes me wonder about durability issues. We all know Glocks are extremely tough, but Glock uses a hi-tech plastic, and it doesn't melt when it comes into contact with strong solvents. And then we've all seen aged, brittle cheap normal plastic that breaks...

Some of the internals were prone to breaking, exactly what I do not recall, but since Marlin isn't making any more parts, that would concern me. Back in the day, some police departments issued the Marlin paired with S&W autos (since the 9mm Marlin takes S&W 9mm magazines) and I recall an account of at least one officer on one of the gunboards stating that the Marlins would break parts frequently and could not stand up to the rigors of patrol.


I'm much happier with the AR-15 pattern rifles. If I wanted another pistol caliber carbine, I'd buy an AR-15 chambered in the preferred caliber. It'll be more expensive than some, but parts availability, weapon familiarity, the modularity of the AR, etc help a lot, IMHO.


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Re: Thoughts on pistol caliber AR's?
« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2010, 08:02:42 AM »
Maybe Keltec will finally put out the sub in .45 one of these days....hey, a boy can dream....
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Re: Thoughts on pistol caliber AR's?
« Reply #39 on: February 24, 2010, 08:09:45 AM »
Maybe Keltec will finally put out the sub in .45 one of these days....hey, a boy can dream....
Now that would be good.  Considering all the high capacity 45 pistols out there, they could always go with those mags also.
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Re: Thoughts on pistol caliber AR's?
« Reply #40 on: February 24, 2010, 08:11:12 AM »
Now that would be good.  Considering all the high capacity 45 pistols out there, they could always go with those mags also.

I'd imagine it'd be a glock or S&W platform.


Oh, and there is always the Beretta Storm....only about $900..... [popcorn]
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Re: Thoughts on pistol caliber AR's?
« Reply #41 on: February 24, 2010, 08:31:53 AM »
What Kel-Tec needs to do is stop wasting resources on the SU-16A, B, D, and E models and get back to cranking out Cs.

A Sub2000 in .45 or 10mm would be nice, but they also need to update the sights to something a lot more durable.
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Re: Thoughts on pistol caliber AR's?
« Reply #42 on: February 24, 2010, 09:56:42 AM »
there is also the civilian HK USC
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Re: Thoughts on pistol caliber AR's?
« Reply #43 on: February 24, 2010, 10:39:19 AM »
there is also the civilian HK USC

$1400+ at gunbroker.  Didn't see anything except 10 round mags for it, either.
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Re: Thoughts on pistol caliber AR's?
« Reply #44 on: February 24, 2010, 10:59:15 AM »
Balog, you might want to ask Tamara about that.

http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2009/10/do-you-know-what-is-just-frickin.html

Hmmm, interesting. I'm not seeing much chatter on teh gunboards about them, but I consider Tam a pretty reputable source. And I like the idea of being able to switch between .45 grease gun and say 7.62x39 AK mags easily.
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Re: Thoughts on pistol caliber AR's?
« Reply #45 on: February 24, 2010, 11:13:45 AM »
After running a 45acp sub gun, I can easily call it a good thing.
It was easy to control and the lower cyclic rate on FA was useful
and I loved the thumping sound.

The dearth of semi auto 45acp carbines is funny to me

It seems like a fertile field for someone to make a solid product.

I guess there is always the tommy gun
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Re: Thoughts on pistol caliber AR's?
« Reply #46 on: February 24, 2010, 11:15:48 AM »
I picked up one of these in Jan.  Really liked the retro, WWII aspect.  Hope to get out to fire it someday.

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Re: Thoughts on pistol caliber AR's?
« Reply #47 on: February 24, 2010, 12:30:23 PM »
I thought the mech-tech was cool until the Kel-tec Sub-2000 made it obsolete. 33rd Glock mags, lots of them. HMMM, need a sub-2000 in .357 sig or 10mm, that'd be zippy.
.357 SiG shouldn't be a problem for them to do, they make the Sub2000 in 9mm and .40 S&W, just cut the chamber differently.  Also, don't forget the Kriss vector, 30rds of .45acp goodness from a gun about the price of a H&K USC that you don't have to modify to get mags holding more than 10 rds.  http://www.kriss-tdi.com/products/kriss-smg-45-acp.html  

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Re: Thoughts on pistol caliber AR's?
« Reply #48 on: February 24, 2010, 12:37:36 PM »
there is also the civilian HK USC

If HK would help us out with a semi UMP, actually offer parts and affordable mags for it...they'd sell a lot more...

But, no, they gotta go the funky route that looks wierd and has 10 rd magazines. Nevermind they could license a US maker to make it (and a lot of other HK firearms), build it in the US, import parts and assemble it into a compliant config in the us...

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Re: Thoughts on pistol caliber AR's?
« Reply #49 on: February 24, 2010, 12:54:47 PM »
.357 SiG shouldn't be a problem for them to do, they make the Sub2000 in 9mm and .40 S&W, just cut the chamber differently.  Also, don't forget the Kriss vector, 30rds of .45acp goodness from a gun about the price of a H&K USC that you don't have to modify to get mags holding more than 10 rds.  http://www.kriss-tdi.com/products/kriss-smg-45-acp.html  

http://www.kriss-tdi.com/products/kriss-crbso-45-acp.html

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