Obama's anti-gun record

[Ieyasu]

I knew Obama was not pro-gun rights in the least, but this page shows he's left quite a few large footprints:
http://guncite.com/gun_control_obama.html

[MicroBalrog]

Wait, someone had doubts?

[Ieyasu]

Probably not the folks who hang-out in this forum, but there are a lot of gun owners out there who unfortunately don't pay attention to presidential candidates until election time, and sadly very little attention to gun rights, unless a gun ban happens to be floating right in front of their noses AND it concerns a gun they own are are thinking of owning.

[Manedwolf]

Probably not the folks who hang-out in this forum, but there are a lot of gun owners out there who unfortunately don't pay attention to presidential candidates until election time, and sadly very little attention to gun rights, unless a gun ban happens to be floating right in front of their noses AND it concerns a gun they own are are thinking of owning.

aka FUDDs

[MicroBalrog]

AKA a much larger proportion of gun owners than people think. At least from my experience with gun forums.

[Ieyasu]

I completely agree. In fact, it is a sign that one who realizes that is indeed some form of informed citizen, or even better an activist, as opposed to a keyboard commando type.

[Standing Wolf]

In plain English: Obama is yet another socialist parasite who's determined to turn the United States into another East Germany. He's not just a typical anti-Second Amendment bigot, but a Marxist through and through.

On the proverbial "bright side:" he's giving lots of Americans any number of good reasons to vote against him; on the proverbial "dark side," I haven't been persuaded McCain's substantially different. McCain talks differently, to be sure, but his actions don't differentiate him from Obama by more than half the width of a hair.

NObama.

[El Tejon]

Obama is yet another socialist parasite who's determined to turn the United States into another East Germany.

I have heard Obama openly praise the USSR and the communist thugocracies of Eastern Europe.  Michelle will tell you how wonderful communism is with far more profanity.

The USA, especially its Constitution, is just a stage we have to get "beyond".

[Ieyasu]

McCain talks differently, to be sure, but his actions don't differentiate him from Obama by more than half the width of a hair.

I can't stand McCain, but his voting record on gun issues IS different. And at least he voted to approve the appointments of Roberts and Alito (Obama did not).

And similiarly although I can't stand Bush, if we had Gore or Kerry instead, we would not be looking at a favorable decision in Heller.

[edited to change derogatory nickname, as per the sticky at the top of this forum...]

[El Tejon]

There you go again, talking about the politics of the possible.

If only I could get off my couch in my mom's basement, I would tell you a thing or two about Ron Paul.  Where is my wookie custom?

[Nitrogen]

We're pretty much screwed no matter what.

Election 2008 is pretty much asking, "Would you rather be kicked in the crotch, or shot with a taser?"  (I'll leave which is which as an exercise to the reader.)

This just goes to show how STUPID so many Democrats are.

They had Richardson, the most qualified person to be President (forget if you like his politics or not, I just mean experience wise), and they ditched him for a fight between an empty suit and an empty skirt.

So basically I get to choose between Dennis the Menace, or Mean Ole' Mister Wilson.  At this point, I think I'd rather vote for Ruff.

[MicroBalrog]

There you go again, talking about the politics of the possible.

If only I could get off my couch in my mom's basement, I would tell you a thing or two about Ron Paul.  Where is my wookie custom?

Do you know anything about the moral nature of the creep that came up with "politics is the art of the possible"?

[LadySmith]

I had a nightmare recently in which Obama won the presidential election, was assassinated by Hillary and the nation declared war against gun owners. Hopefully that was just because of something I ate.

[Manedwolf]

I had a nightmare recently in which Obama won the presidential election, was assassinated by Hillary and the nation declared war against gun owners. Hopefully that was just because of something I ate.

"Declaring war against gun owners". There's a slightly futile oxymoron.

[Matthew Carberry]

We're pretty much screwed no matter what.

Election 2008 is pretty much asking, "Would you rather be kicked in the crotch, or shot with a taser?"  (I'll leave which is which as an exercise to the reader.)

That's the problem, you're still tied to the old divisive model of politics.

In today's new era of bipartisanship and compromise the "real American" option is to choose to be shot in the crotch with the Taser.

[SteveS]

Obama is yet another socialist parasite who's determined to turn the United States into another East Germany.

I have heard Obama openly praise the USSR and the communist thugocracies of Eastern Europe.  Michelle will tell you how wonderful communism is with far more profanity.

He then goes on to talk about his plan to eliminate private ownership as a means of production and totally nationalize the economy.

It would be nice to keep discussions within the realm of reality.

[Perd Hapley]

It would be nice to keep discussions within the realm of reality.

But what fun is that? 

[The Annoyed Man]

Obama is yet another socialist parasite who's determined to turn the United States into another East Germany.

I have heard Obama openly praise the USSR and the communist thugocracies of Eastern Europe.  Michelle will tell you how wonderful communism is with far more profanity.

The USA, especially its Constitution, is just a stage we have to get "beyond".

Where did you hear or read this? I would love to have that in a concrete cite for a special person I know.

[gunsmith]

there are a lot of gun owners out there who unfortunately don't pay attention to presidential candidates until election time, and sadly very little attention to gun rights, unless a gun ban happens to be floating right in front of their noses AND it concerns a gun they own are are thinking of owning.

I meet them all the time driving a cab in Reno.

[Silver Bullet]

I can't stand McCain, but his voting record on gun issues IS different. And at least he voted to approve the appointments of Roberts and Alito (Obama did not).

Correct.  The voting record trumps all rhetoric.

[longeyes]

We're not entirely sure what McCain will do, but we can lay money on what Obama, if elected, will try to do.  He knows as we do the importance of gun rights, and we can be certain private ownership of firearms is on his priority target list.  He seems to believe that in the matter of guns, if nowhere else, local ordinances somehow trump the U.S. Constitution.  An interesting take for a man who purports to have taught con law but just one more plank in the legend of Barack Obama.

Someone mentioned sticking to reality.  I am not convinced that reality has much to do with Obama or his aspirations.  Should we be visited with the horror of his Election I have little doubt he will overreach--it is the right of the Messiah after all--and no doubt turn the Second Amendment into something living and breathing for all to experience.

[Nitrogen]

We're pretty much screwed no matter what.

Election 2008 is pretty much asking, "Would you rather be kicked in the crotch, or shot with a taser?"  (I'll leave which is which as an exercise to the reader.)

That's the problem, you're still tied to the old divisive model of politics.

In today's new era of bipartisanship and compromise the "real American" option is to choose to be shot in the crotch with the Taser.

If it's as bad as you all say, I'm going to have to start looking at land in the middle of Alaska for my yurt.

[wacki]

Didn't Chicago ban a bunch of guns recently?  What about Kennedy's 30-30 ban?  Was Obama linked to either of these?

[Ben]

What about Kennedy's 30-30 ban?  Was Obama linked to either of these?

That would be interesting information to have, especially for getting the " I just need a shotgun" people to sit up and pay attention.

[Ieyasu]

Yes indeed, B.O. voted for the Kennedy amendment, McCain did not:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00217