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Re: "Molon Labe" is Now a Fascist Dog Whistle
« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2019, 10:14:51 PM »
13 Star Flag nor Molon Labe have made it to the hate symbol database yet.

https://www.adl.org/hatesymbolsdatabase

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Re: "Malone Labe" is Now a Fascist Dog Whistle
« Reply #26 on: July 01, 2019, 10:16:39 PM »
I thought it was a joke at first FYI.

No, just one of my standard APS brain farts.  =D
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Re: "Malone Labe" is Now a Fascist Dog Whistle
« Reply #27 on: July 01, 2019, 10:16:54 PM »
I thought it was a joke at first FYI.

So did I. I was sure it was a clever pun.

How disappointing to discover it wasn't clever pun, just a dumb mistake.
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Re: "Malone Labe" is Now a Fascist Dog Whistle
« Reply #29 on: July 01, 2019, 10:19:15 PM »
No, but you posted just as  I was going to continue the tangent. The original flag of the 13 colonies is now also racist. I guess that means the 4th is also racist then. If it wasn't too late for delivery, I'd order one of them to fly as well. Freakin' SJWs.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/07/01/colin-kaepernick-succeeds-in-getting-nike-to-pull-a-sneaker-featuring-an-early-american-flag/

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Re: "Molon Labe" is Now a Fascist Dog Whistle
« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2019, 10:23:01 PM »
13 Star Flag nor Molon Labe have made it to the hate symbol database yet.

https://www.adl.org/hatesymbolsdatabase


That's a pretty big list.  (who knew that numbers are racist?)  I wonder how they missed this one?

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Re: "Molon Labe" is Now a Fascist Dog Whistle
« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2019, 10:40:46 PM »
  (who knew that numbers are racist?) 



I did for some the Aryan Nation symbols. Numbers can't be racist, but people can use them as a symbol for their own racism.
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Re: "Molon Labe" is Now a Fascist Dog Whistle
« Reply #32 on: July 01, 2019, 10:41:02 PM »
Here is the inside story on the Betsy Ross Flag being a symbol of racism from back in 2016.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/09/15/does-americas-first-flag-symbolize-exclusion-and-hate-like-this-mich-school-superintendent-said/?utm_term=.402e3392adbf

As with the Constitution, I prefer to go with, "The Founding Fathers meant what they said". Social Justice Warrior deconstruction of original meaning and intent can go fly a kite.

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According to the The History of American Flags, “the colors used in the flag generally represent red for valor, white for hope and purity, and blue for loyalty and vigilance. Washington interpreted the symbolism of the flag as “We take the stars from Heaven, the red from our mother country, separating it by white stripes, thus showing that we have separated from her, and the white stripes shall go down to posterity representing Liberty.”

https://flagpolesetc.com/blog/the-betsy-ross-flag-is-not-a-symbol-of-racism-opinion-article
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Re: "Molon Labe" is Now a Fascist Dog Whistle
« Reply #33 on: July 01, 2019, 10:49:15 PM »
As with the Constitution, I prefer to go with, "The Founding Fathers meant what they said". Social Justice Warrior deconstruction of original meaning and intent can go fly a kite.

https://flagpolesetc.com/blog/the-betsy-ross-flag-is-not-a-symbol-of-racism-opinion-article

I don't get how it's a symbol of racism at all.

I do see how stars and bars flag (where and how it's flown) and the confederate statues (depending upon when and where the were erected) can be seem as symbols of racism.
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Re: "Molon Labe" is Now a Fascist Dog Whistle
« Reply #34 on: July 02, 2019, 12:29:39 AM »
I thought "Malone Labe" just meant that Ben had some idea of how to pronounce "Molon."
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Re: "Molon Labe" is Now a Fascist Dog Whistle
« Reply #35 on: July 02, 2019, 12:49:08 AM »
Malone Labia?
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« Reply #36 on: July 02, 2019, 01:33:09 AM »
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Re: "Malone Labe" is Now a Fascist Dog Whistle
« Reply #37 on: July 02, 2019, 03:02:56 AM »

I've yet to encounter an immigration restriction advocate that could articulate any reason (actually based on immigration, not impact on welfare or labor supply/demand curves) why Ellis Island should have allowed a 98% blind admittance rate, but that current policies which come closer to a 98% rejection rate are appropriate.


Ellis Island was a quarantine station, when ships arrived, people were examined to make sure they weren't carrying disease(s), and we capable of supporting themselves through work. (My Irish side had been recruited to come work on the Railroad, and my German side was part of a Land Company that had purchased a decent chunk of southern Illinois to build a town and farms).

And during those times there were laws regarding admittance.  Just like we have laws regarding admittance now.  Something the "free movement of people" advocates seem to forget.
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Re: "Molon Labe" is Now a Fascist Dog Whistle
« Reply #38 on: July 02, 2019, 05:31:09 AM »
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« Reply #39 on: July 02, 2019, 05:33:43 AM »
Betsy Ross flag.
Molon Labe flag.
Gonzales flag.
Covefe flag.
MAGA flag.

I'm going to need a larger flag pole.
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Re: "Molon Labe" is Now a Fascist Dog Whistle
« Reply #40 on: July 02, 2019, 08:43:15 AM »
In related news

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Nike pulled its Betsy Ross flag sneaker even before they ever hit store shelves.

The Air Max 1 USA sneakers were supposed to go on sale at the start of the July Fourth week, but the company abruptly asked retailers to return them.

The decision came after Colin Kaepernick decided they were offensive.

According to the Wall Street Journal, the heel of the shoe had the Betsy Ross flag, a version of the flag that has 13 white stars in a circle to represent the original colonies.
Nike Pulls Betsy Ross Flag Sneakers After Colin Kaepernick Complains They're Offensive
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2019/07/02/nike-pulls-betsy-ross-early-american-flag-after-colin-kaepernick-objects-n2549333

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Re: "Molon Labe" is Now a Fascist Dog Whistle
« Reply #41 on: July 02, 2019, 08:52:45 AM »
In related news
Nike Pulls Betsy Ross Flag Sneakers After Colin Kaepernick Complains They're Offensive
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2019/07/02/nike-pulls-betsy-ross-early-american-flag-after-colin-kaepernick-objects-n2549333


Good.
I hope that:
1. Americans take note and quit buying their trash products.
2. Nike can find a market for their products in one of the communist shitholes where they hire their sweatshop labor to make their products.
3. Kaepernick can gtfo too.
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Re: "Molon Labe" is Now a Fascist Dog Whistle
« Reply #42 on: July 02, 2019, 08:57:49 AM »
 I think it's time to buy a Betsy Ross flag and fly it at my house.

Oh, good, Amazon is still selling them. Get them quick before they're all pulled as offensive.
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Re: "Molon Labe" is Now a Fascist Dog Whistle
« Reply #43 on: July 02, 2019, 09:12:53 AM »
Good.
I hope that:
1. Americans take note and quit buying their trash products.
2. Nike can find a market for their products in one of the communist shitholes where they hire their sweatshop labor to make their products.
3. Kaepernick can gtfo too.

That's how I discovered Betsy Ross, and the flag that symbolized our first step to freedom, were evil.

That moron cries about discrimination every step he takes. The rich, spoiled brat little punk says one word and Nike folds like a cheap suit. He has more influence and privilege than 300 million regular people, yet spends his every waking moment looking for micro-agressions to be offended about. He can go to hell.
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Re: "Malone Labe" is Now a Fascist Dog Whistle
« Reply #44 on: July 02, 2019, 09:33:28 AM »

I would suggest that this includes the modern anti-free-migration stance.

The problem that most pro immigration control advocates have with free movement of people tends to be the impact on the welfare state.  The next biggest complaint is the impact upon wages for unskilled and low skilled labor. 

I've yet to encounter an immigration restriction advocate that could articulate any reason (actually based on immigration, not impact on welfare or labor supply/demand curves) why Ellis Island should have allowed a 98% blind admittance rate, but that current policies which come closer to a 98% rejection rate are appropriate.

It's a rare control advocate that can articulate concerns over crime, terrorism, or contagion of a deadly 3rd world disease.  And they don't seem to care about the Ellis Island reference and its allowance for enormous organized crime utilization during Prohibition (which certainly rhymes strongly with Prohibition 2.0 against various illegal drugs, and our southern border).
The primary reason I oppose large scale immigration is I don't want our country becoming a leftist one.  There are other reasons as well however.

I don't have much personal feelings about Ellis Island era large-scale immigration (because they assimilated a long time ago) but it was perfectly rational for Americans to oppose it at the time (I probably would have done so).  Waves of immigration from Europe did indeed spike crime in America's cities (Irish and Italian mainly).  It probably did depress wages for natives.  And, similar to today, the immigrants primarily supported the Democratic Party... this probably helped push American to the left, leading to the hideous economic policies of FDR.


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Re: "Malone Labe" is Now a Fascist Dog Whistle
« Reply #45 on: July 02, 2019, 09:34:13 AM »
I hate twitchy btw, rather see a link/story from a actual news source (citations are nice too), not a bunch of "somebody's" rants of 280 characters.

Okay, Colin Kaepernick JR. I'll be like Nike and never post another Twitchy article again. Not. :P

In a majority of Twitchy articles, there's a link to a news source. However, I go there for the snark.
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Re: "Malone Labe" is Now a Fascist Dog Whistle
« Reply #46 on: July 02, 2019, 11:04:10 AM »
Cops with Molon Labe tatoos and enforcing laws at controversy with classical Constitutional interpretation are poster children for Stockholm Syndrome.

I would suggest that this includes the modern anti-free-migration stance.

The problem that most pro immigration control advocates have with free movement of people tends to be the impact on the welfare state.  The next biggest complaint is the impact upon wages for unskilled and low skilled labor.  

I've yet to encounter an immigration restriction advocate that could articulate any reason (actually based on immigration, not impact on welfare or labor supply/demand curves) why Ellis Island should have allowed a 98% blind admittance rate, but that current policies which come closer to a 98% rejection rate are appropriate.

It's a rare control advocate that can articulate concerns over crime, terrorism, or contagion of a deadly 3rd world disease.  And they don't seem to care about the Ellis Island reference and its allowance for enormous organized crime utilization during Prohibition (which certainly rhymes strongly with Prohibition 2.0 against various illegal drugs, and our southern border).

Do you read what other people post on this site?

I'll start with the 2 you disallowed.

1) You can have a welfare state, unlimited franchise, OR open borders. Pick two. Otherwise you'll no longer have money/non-socialist/ non-dictatorship country. Import people who vote for socialists in their country and SHOCKINGLY, they vote for socialists who promise free stuff here.
2) Importing unskilled labor impacts those at the lowest end of the economic stratum far more, including those recently immigrated. This not only harms our citizens, who should be what our government is concerned about, this also makes the "voting for socialism" more likely, too.

These are not unimportant issues, but most libertarians like to pretend that they can just stand on "MUH PRINCIPLES!!!" based on some theoretically perfect world with no regard to the impact in this real world. (Kind of like socialists, in that regard.)

Now, for the ones you think are "justifiable" arguments, they are myriad as well.

1) Crime: Importing unskilled, unvetted, often illiterate aliens increases the crime rate*
2) "Multi-Culturalism"/Social Cohesion: Our country is currently either at or above, the historical maximum of foreign born population. Any country requires a significant amount of cohesion, and having such a large percentage of assimilated residents will necessarily cause conflict.
3) Disease: We already have enough idiots attacking herd immunity through anti-vaxx opinions, we don't need to import more unvaccinated, possibly diseased individuals with zero vetting. (Honestly, this is the least of my concerns, but if you want to include it, fine by me.)
4) Terrorism: I'm sure you'll have no problem with the resulting government over-reach in order to track which of the completely unvetted and unknown immigrants are terrorists. Much easier to use the NSA, FBI, and the lot to track EVERYONE'S activities, rather than limit who comes into the country and thoroughly vet them.

There's a BRIEF run down on some of the arguments.





*Oh, but THE CATO STUDY! that completely agrees with what I just said. The study liked to tout how immigrants were more law abiding!!! (small print- than citizens of similar demographics in the country). So what it means, aside from conflating legal and illegal immigrants, as such studies are wont to do, they found that the immigrants had a higher crime rate than the average of the country, but since they were better than the native hispanic/white/black/asian/other population's crime rate, well, THEY ARE MORE LAW ABIDING! Of course, the study also makes me wonder what the rates of the citizen children of those immigrants will be. Just guessing it will be closer to the native hispanic/black/white/asian/other population.
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Re: "Molon Labe" is Now a Fascist Dog Whistle
« Reply #47 on: July 02, 2019, 11:41:52 AM »
I still can’t get over I typed Malon.  :facepalm:

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Re: "Molon Labe" is Now a Fascist Dog Whistle
« Reply #48 on: July 02, 2019, 12:14:55 PM »
I am going to try 'molon labia' later on tonight.  If you never hear from me again, pour out a 40 ouncer IPA on the curb in my memory.
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Re: "Molon Labe" is Now a Fascist Dog Whistle
« Reply #49 on: July 02, 2019, 12:28:48 PM »
Related to the Kaepernick/Nike/Betsy Ross story above

Looks like the Az Gov said take your jobs and shove it.

Arizona Governor: Our Economy is Doing Just Fine Without Nike and I'm Pulling Their Incentives to Come Here
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2019/07/02/arizona-governor-punts-nike-after-they-pulled-betsy-ross-flag-shoes-n2549356
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