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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on May 05, 2012, 10:55:38 AM
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This should be interesting to watch. The reactors provided a third of the country's power output. Maybe they had already been working on contingency power, but I haven't read anything about it. It seems to me the panic shutdown because of Fukushima is going to lead to economic and other problems for Japan, at least in the short term.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/05/05/japan-to-be-without-nuclear-power-for-first-time-in-42-years/?test=latestnews
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This should be interesting to watch. The reactors provided a third of the country's power output. Maybe they had already been working on contingency power, but I haven't read anything about it. It seems to me the panic shutdown because of Fukushima is going to lead to economic and other problems for Japan, at least in the short term.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/05/05/japan-to-be-without-nuclear-power-for-first-time-in-42-years/?test=latestnews
Dumbassery, sheer dumbassery. Especially when you look at how Fuk came about.
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Makes sense to me. Those 9.0 earthquakes and tsunami's happen every few thousand years, you know. You can't be too careful.
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The real moral to this story is that it took both an earthquake AND a tsunami to break Fukushimsa's containment.....we should build ALL our nuclear reactors like Fukushima..... :cool:
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The real moral to this story is that it took both an earthquake AND a tsunami AND building the backup generators on the ground floor to be flooded out to break Fukushimsa's containment.....we should build ALL our nuclear reactors like Fukushima..... :cool:
Put the generators up the hill a bit, or on the roof of one of the sturdy building and you are good to go.
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Fukushima would have even survived the earthquake AND tsunami if the diesel generators hadn't been flooded. Problem was they has assumed some maximum wave height plus safety factor when setting the height of the tsunami walls. And the tsunami was IIRC 2-3 meters higher than the wall. Even then, had they set the generators up higher they might have been just fine.
Rather than shutting them all down, an FMEA (Failure Modes and Effects Analysis) would have been more appropriate. And then change the way they set up certain safety aspects to improve the performance and safety of the reactors in case of another major earthquake or volcano or other natural disaster.
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From the article, I see that oil and gas -fired powerplants are picking up the slack. That has to be expensive.
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From the article, I see that oil and gas -fired powerplants are picking up the slack. That has to be expensive.
Depending on their consumption, it could also increase the cost of those resources.
Paranoia always has a high cost.....
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Depending on their consumption, it could also increase the cost of those resources.
Paranoia always has a high cost.....
For us as well. I imagine they'll need to import a good deal more oil to run those plants.
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Always, always follow the money.
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Why not use this opportunity to try out a few thorium reactors?
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Makes sense to me. Those 9.0 earthquakes and tsunami's happen every few thousand years, you know. You can't be too careful.
The ancestors of current Japanese had placed cairns of rocks, obelisks, and other warnings at the high water marks of PRIOR tsunamis - centuries, not millenia, earlier; historic times - essentially warning future generations that they shouldn't build lower down the slopes. Their far smarter and wiser descendants laughed at the quaint ways of their primitive ancestors and ignored the warnings - with predictable results.
It will be interesting to see how Japan suffers with rolling brownouts and blackouts, industry shut downs, and the cost to their economy of importing even more fuel - this just may be a case of national hara-kiri.
(And BHO is more likely too take it as an example, rather than a warning. =( )
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The real moral to this story is that it took both an earthquake AND a tsunami to break Fukushimsa's containment.....we should build ALL our nuclear reactors like Fukushima..... :cool:
No. We should build all our reactors like ours. The Japanese reactors there are several generations old.
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Well, between them and Germany pulling this asshattery and China buying West Virginia one train car at a time we better get on the nuke bandwagon a lot heavier.
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The ancestors of current Japanese had placed cairns of rocks, obelisks, and other warnings at the high water marks of PRIOR tsunamis - centuries, not millenia, earlier; historic times - essentially warning future generations that they shouldn't build lower down the slopes. Their far smarter and wiser descendants laughed at the quaint ways of their primitive ancestors and ignored the warnings - with predictable results.
In all fairness, you can say the exact same thing about here in terms of our continued building on coastlines, earthquake zones, and areas prone to forest fires, tornadoes and hurricanes. Population pressure tends to drive these decisions.
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In all fairness, you can say the exact same thing about here in terms of our continued building on coastlines, earthquake zones, and areas prone to forest fires, tornadoes and hurricanes. Population pressure tends to drive these decisions.
It will be an interesting day when Mt Ranier erupts ;)
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It will be an interesting day when Mt Ranier erupts ;)
Hopefully not while I'm elk hunting by there. [tinfoil]
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It will be an interesting day when Mt Ranier erupts ;)
I'm just waiting for Mt. Hood to go. Historically, it tends to erupt within a short amount of time of Mount Saint Helens, which means there's a decent chance of exploding in the next 100 or so years.
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Japan has a national phobia of nuclear... issues. Im not surprised by this.
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they also have a real air quality issue thats about to get a lot worse
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Japan has a national phobia of nuclear... issues. Im not surprised by this.
I can see where they would have had a historical phobia, but would have thought they'd overcome it considering they had 50 reactors online. I think the entire US only has 100 or so.
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I can see where they would have had a historical phobia, but would have thought they'd overcome it considering they had 50 reactors online. I think the entire US only has 100 or so.
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The Japanese have disappointed me. If they use this as an excuse to retool and bring new plants online, that's one thing, but if they've stepped off the nuclear-power train more or less permanently, well, that's just stupid. As mentioned, power replacement from conventional sources is going to drive costs up and air quality down; additionally, they're likely to drive background radiation levels up as well (as natural radionuclides are liberated from conventional fuels by burning).
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You would think that they could run the whole country off of geothermal ???
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they're likely to drive background radiation levels up as well (as natural radionuclides are liberated from conventional fuels by burning).
Oh hell now you've done it. You'll have the *expletive deleted*ing hippies up in arms about radioactive oil and *expletive deleted*it and then we'll be *expletive deleted*ed when the EPA does their will.
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Well I know one man who is very happy to hear this.
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Oh hell now you've done it. You'll have the *expletive deleted* hippies up in arms about radioactive oil and *expletive deleted* and then we'll be *expletive deleted*ed when the EPA does their will.
It's coal mainly. Most coal is a few ppm uranium and thorium (it is rock after all), so when burned (a typical plant is close to a million tons a year...the fly ash contains tons of uranium and thorium. Of course, so does EVERYTHING else.
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So....we can expect a much smaller Godzilla, then.....
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Looks like Alaska just got a new LNG customer and a pipeline to supply it. =D
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They've got them on the list, they'll none of them be missed.
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Japan wants voluntary use reductions to avoid blackouts.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18113785 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18113785)
Hey guys, we know we killed a bunch of cheap power and probably a lot of jobs with that whole reactor shutdown thing, but could you try to turn down the thermostat and turn off the lights? Way to go.
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Japan wants voluntary use reductions to avoid blackouts.
They say the Japanese public demanded an end to nuclear power.
Well, it looks as if their demands have been met.
I wonder if they're still going to be happy once summer rolls around. (Insert old proverb about being careful what you wish for, lest you get it.)
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They say the Japanese public demanded an end to nuclear power.
Well, it looks as if their demands have been met.
I wonder if they're still going to be happy once summer rolls around. (Insert old proverb about being careful what you wish for, lest you get it.)
I was actually thinking of the one about stupidity of large groups...