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USDA Supports EPA and UN With Meatless Mondays
« on: July 26, 2012, 10:47:42 AM »
To help save the planet from global warming of course. They are apparently backing away from the statement. I'd like to start "more meat Monday". Moo.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/26/usda-under-fire-for-backing-meatless-mondays-linking-ranching-to-climate-change/

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Re: USDA Supports EPA and UN With Meatless Mondays
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2012, 10:58:02 AM »
I'm up for the More Meat Mondays.
How about a bacon, ham and sausage sammich, with a prosciutto garnish.
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Re: USDA Supports EPA and UN With Meatless Mondays
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2012, 11:49:40 AM »
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I'm up for the More Meat Mondays.
How about a bacon, ham and sausage sammich, with a prosciutto garnish.

Lets just go ahead and declare them to be 'Bacon Mondays' from now on.

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Re: USDA Supports EPA and UN With Meatless Mondays
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2012, 12:44:08 PM »
I just want to know what the hell those people think we can do with all this arid land out here that you can't farm  :facepalm:

Buffalo fart too  :P
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Re: USDA Supports EPA and UN With Meatless Mondays
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2012, 12:56:32 PM »
There will be hunter-gatherers and there will be a ruling elite of bureaucrats.  You got a problem with that?

(The flaw in this is that with agriculture begat tax collectors and that begat bureaucrats...and what the hell...)
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Re: USDA Supports EPA and UN With Meatless Mondays
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2012, 02:47:19 PM »
How about Soylent Green mondays?
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Re: USDA Supports EPA and UN With Meatless Mondays
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2012, 02:49:52 PM »
How about Soylent Green mondays?

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Re: USDA Supports EPA and UN With Meatless Mondays
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2012, 03:11:16 PM »
Ah, the problem with modern politics of divide, divide, divide. I love the idea of more meat Monday, and national bacon day on days that end in Y. Problem is I also have some environmental awareness. I'm not going for cow farts=global warming anymore than I would dinosuar masturbation=rise of mammalia, but there are problems in farming that national, not supra-national governments can effectively address. One is agricultural run-off. There is no private market incentive for a farmer in western VA to fence their streams to protect the Chesapeake bay. Government can provide that incentive. Same with CRP that everyone stomped on to grow ethanol feed. In the end the farmers benefit whether from a healthy bay providing an alternate economy that lessens their tax burden or from agri-tourism(aka Hunting farmland).

As far as air quality, it makes zero ecological sense to cut down irreplaceable rain forest to raise McDonalds cows, but guess what Brazil does? A little regulation can actually make life better. Yet we stand on our opposite sides and chuck political bombs back and forth.

Speaking of which, ban the UN=much rejoicing.
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Re: USDA Supports EPA and UN With Meatless Mondays
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2012, 04:35:38 PM »
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it makes zero ecological sense to cut down irreplaceable rain forest to raise McDonalds cows, but guess what Brazil does?

Nor did it make sense to plow up the native prairie to plant wheat  =(
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Re: USDA Supports EPA and UN With Meatless Mondays
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2012, 05:28:39 PM »
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Problem is I also have some environmental awareness. I'm not going for cow farts=global warming anymore than I would dinosuar masturbation=rise of mammalia, but there are problems in farming that national, not supra-national governments can effectively address. One is agricultural run-off. There is no private market incentive for a farmer in western VA to fence their streams to protect the Chesapeake bay. Government can provide that incentive. Same with CRP that everyone stomped on to grow ethanol feed. In the end the farmers benefit whether from a healthy bay providing an alternate economy that lessens their tax burden or from agri-tourism(aka Hunting farmland).

There's a lot of people on board with you, but when you have very bad governance, the knee jerk reaction is to lash back at them even if they have a good idea once in awhile. Their use of a 'good idea' historically has also been to get their foot in your door and leverage .gov more and more into your life.

The hypocrisy and arrogance of government has lost them any moral authority or respect that they might have had.
If you are forced to not only buy but also subsidize the production of a bad product (ethanol fuel) why wouldn't the first reaction to the government telling you to eat less meat be firing up the grill and throwing a porterhouse on it?
The UN- don't even get me started. Once they start cleaning up the slavery, human rights abuses, pollution, etc in their other member nations, they can start worrying about what's on my dinner plate...

In my particular area of the country, you will be sued out of existance if one of your cows does its business too close to a stream, yet the biggest city in my state (Milwaukee) routinely dumps billions of gallons of raw sewage into Lake Michigan every time it rains- with impunity.

It might take time, but the free market should fix the problems, though it can take time.
I used to laugh at 'organic' meats and vegetables, but now, I typically won't buy meat unless its local anymore. The mega factory farm has brought the prices of eats down, but at the same time have brought the quality down to the point where you are bringing a disgusting half-spoiled biohazard into your kitchen. The same can be done with runoff- market it as 'zero run off' meat. It might take awhile, but it will catch on.
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Re: USDA Supports EPA and UN With Meatless Mondays
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2012, 05:34:59 PM »
Meatless Mondays?

But but but .... I thought cows caused global warming? Eat the cows, no more global warming and all other problems would be resolved as a result.

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Re: USDA Supports EPA and UN With Meatless Mondays
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2012, 03:47:24 AM »
Meatless Mondays?

But but but .... I thought cows caused global warming? Eat the cows, no more global warming and all other problems would be resolved as a result.



The logic, it is infallible. Had a nice steak tonight, just doing my part.
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Re: USDA Supports EPA and UN With Meatless Mondays
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2012, 09:44:20 AM »
Good lord, I'm an environmental special forces! Another nice steak last night!
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Re: USDA Supports EPA and UN With Meatless Mondays
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2012, 11:59:04 AM »
To help save the planet from global warming of course. They are apparently backing away from the statement. I'd like to start "more meat Monday". Moo.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/26/usda-under-fire-for-backing-meatless-mondays-linking-ranching-to-climate-change/



So, basically, a religion.
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Re: USDA Supports EPA and UN With Meatless Mondays
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2012, 12:08:04 PM »
So, basically, a religion.

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