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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: HeroHog on January 05, 2019, 06:43:51 PM
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The answer to the question no one asked...
The Double barreled, "4 twin shot" .22 WMR stubby pistol:
https://www.ballisticmag.com/2019/01/04/standard-mfg-s333-double-barrel-handgun
:facepalm:
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I suspect that will end up a machine gun. Just saying...
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Up until this moment, I did not know there was such a thing as .22 WMR birdshot.
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I suspect that will end up a machine gun. Just saying...
That's what we thought about the twin-1911 pistols, but they apparently got around it -- somehow.
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Wait justaminnit. They un-stretch the law to opine that those ain't machineguns, but they do stretch the law to declare bump stocks and shoelaces are machineguns?
I guess they do it by defining the two actions as two separate firearms, hence one trigger pull fires two separate firearms?
Anyone seen the language involved in their approval?
Terry
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That's what we thought about the twin-1911 pistols, but they apparently got around it -- somehow.
The Arsenal twin 1911 has two triggers. One trigger -> one bullet. * I only see the one funky looking trigger on that thing.
Regardless of legality, it's still pretty useless.
I stand corrected. Ian explains that it does shoot two projectiles per trigger pull. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P57iXMmlUZo) I have no idea how the ATF decides that classification. Maybe because it's only one action cycling? So it's a very complicated rifled shotgun? The reasoning of our betters eludes me. But I coincide Hawk's point, the stupid revolver is probably legal.
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The Arsenal twin 1911 has two triggers. One trigger -> one bullet. I only see the one funky looking trigger on that thing.
Regardless of legality, it's still pretty useless.
Oh, I don't know. That's a pretty snotty little cartridge. I guess a lot of Deringers / derringers are sold in that caliber. Out of a rifle, and just looking at energy (if that's all you look at) one of those rounds can approach .45 ACP foot pounds... let alone two of them simultaneously.
And the utility is in the eye of the purchaser.
But I think I'd rather be able to launch .22 Mag bullets successively.
And a dozen or more years ago I got severely "spoken to" for offering the idea that shot rounds would "stop" an attacker instantly, if properly placed and you didn't mind getting sued later by the now-blind attacker. I hesitate, even now, to point this out again.
Terry, 230RN
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Oh, I don't know. That's a pretty snotty little cartridge. I guess a lot of Deringers / derringers are sold in that caliber. Out of a rifle, and just looking at energy (if that's all you look at) one of those rounds can approach .45 ACP foot pounds... let alone two of them simultaneously.
And the utility is in the eye of the purchaser.
But I think I'd rather be able to launch .22 Mag bullets successively.
And a dozen or more years ago I got severely "spoken to" for offering the idea that shot rounds would "stop" an attacker instantly, if properly placed and you didn't mind getting sued later by the now-blind attacker. I hesitate, even now, to point this out again.
Terry, 230RN
Way back when I used to work at a gas station (20+ years ago now - holy crap) we had a regular customer that was a mobile slaughter guy for beef. He used a rifle chambered in .22 WMR to kill the cattle before butchering them out... He said it never took more than one round to drop a cow, no matter how big. Of course, he was able to walk up and basically touch the muzzle to the spot between their eyes, but he said it was lights out instantly every time....
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.22 WRM IS a stout round WITH ENOUGH BARREL. When you have a 1" or so tube, what you have is a huge waste of powder.
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Up until this moment, I did not know there was such a thing as .22 WMR birdshot.
Yes. Works great on snakes. My H&R single action revolver stays loaded with it. Good spread at snake killin’ distance.
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Yes. Works great on snakes. My H&R single action revolver stays loaded with it. Good spread at snake killin’ distance.
Do you see much barrel leading with the snake shot?
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The shot's encapsulated in a fragile plastic "jacket" which gets engraved by the rifling and breaks apart on exiting the muzzle. Sorta like the shot cup in regular shotgun shells, but not really:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/.22LR_ratshot.jpg/317px-.22LR_ratshot.jpg)
They are available in several calibers.
You might get "plasticing," but no "leading," and I suspect, without actually knowing, that firing a couple of jacketed rounds later on will clean it out of the barrel. I never used them that much, but when I did, I scrubbed the bore with a brass brush afterwards anyhow.
Terry
REF (Testing .22LR snake loads out of a rifle:)
https://youtu.be/zh0jCg8Ymuo (4:28)