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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: RoadKingLarry on June 23, 2016, 02:23:41 AM
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Today's the day. Will the British bail out of the sinking ship that is the EU?
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I believe the killing of Jo Cox ended any chance of Brexit. Until that happened Brexit was a real possibility.
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The British have a slave and serf mentality more than even we in the US. Their national pride can only be found in support of their soccer team and welfare state. Otherwise they have been propagandized into perpetual self loathing.
I will truly be surprised if they grow a spine and leave the EU.
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I predict they will leave the EU, pop round to the chemist's, and buy some fags.
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I believe the killing of Jo Cox ended any chance of Brexit. Until that happened Brexit was a real possibility.
Damned convenient that...[tinfoil]
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I believe the killing of Jo Cox ended any chance of Brexit. Until that happened Brexit was a real possibility.
Very likely true.
Watched some "talking heads" on TV and their consensus seemed to be "Leaving would be BAD because so many rich folks depend on EU membership for their cash flow."
We'll see how that argument plays as distance from Parliament and 10 Downing Street increases, but, sadly, Ron may have nailed it with his comments above.
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Very likely true.
Watched some "talking heads" on TV and their consensus seemed to be "Leaving would be BAD because so many rich folks depend on EU membership for their cash flow."
We'll see how that argument plays as distance from Parliament and 10 Downing Street increases, but, sadly, Ron may have nailed it with his comments above.
Why do you hate rich people?
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I honestly have no idea what will happen. I know the inclination of the British people only through the polls and they have been inconsistent lately.
So, fish and chips.
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I voted yes, yes with riots, and fish & chips.
I suspect a YES vote will not end the issue, as the ruling class are not likely to give up a smidge of power just because the Brits want out.
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Voted "no" and agree with Rocketman. The assassination changed things.
Funny, one of the things I heard a couple of days ago is that the EU commission has just outlawed the most ubiquitous type of electric teapot used in the UK (for environmental reasons). One would think if someone got between the Brits and their tea, they would have their own version of the Boston Tea Party going. Americans might say, "Now you know how we felt." :)
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Not sure getting mixed messages from friends over there but if the answer is yes I suspect what rooster said will come to pass.
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I hope it's yes, but probably not with hellish riots.
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Funny, one of the things I heard a couple of days ago is that the EU commission has just outlawed the most ubiquitous type of electric teapot used in the UK (for environmental reasons). One would think if someone got between the Brits and their tea, they would have their own version of the Boston Tea Party going. Americans might say, "Now you know how we felt." :)
Roughly speaking, due to the 240V thing, a UK kettle could be approximately twice as powerful as a US one. As a result, think of a tea/coffee machine that can be ready to brew in less than half the time.
The problem I have with it is that I think that for such devices reducing the power it can draw will actually result in MORE energy being used - because as it heats, more heat is lost to the environment, which means you have to replace it. The longer it takes to boil(for tea), the more energy it will use. Maybe have them put a timer or a thermostat on it, but making it take longer also means people are more likely to leave it alone while they do something else, which again means maintaining the heat longer as they take longer to get back to it. Summary: They're being as stupid as the EPA is about gas cans.
Also, you'll see them going to US style - using the relatively inefficient but higher burners on the stove to get boiling water faster.
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Why do you hate rich people?
It's fashionable?
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Doesn't look good for the Brexit.
Surprisingly (to me) England looked to opt out but Scotland voted so overwhelmingly to stay in and that may have made the difference.
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Roughly speaking, due to the 240V thing, a UK kettle could be approximately twice as powerful as a US one. As a result, think of a tea/coffee machine that can be ready to brew in less than half the time.
The problem I have with it is that I think that for such devices reducing the power it can draw will actually result in MORE energy being used - because as it heats, more heat is lost to the environment, which means you have to replace it. The longer it takes to boil(for tea), the more energy it will use. Maybe have them put a timer or a thermostat on it, but making it take longer also means people are more likely to leave it alone while they do something else, which again means maintaining the heat longer as they take longer to get back to it. Summary: They're being as stupid as the EPA is about gas cans.
Also, you'll see them going to US style - using the relatively inefficient but higher burners on the stove to get boiling water faster.
but but but, all the extra heat will scorch the water, then you have to dump it out and start over- wasting both water and electricity!!!!111
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/eu-referendum-results-live-brexit-most-likely-outcome-says-leadi/
^^^ Live updates.
50.7% in favor of Leave as of this posting. :O Hoping I get my fiz-n-chips.
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Win or lose, that looks to be a very close vote!
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Wow. Keeping my fingers crossed that I was wrong. Might have to stay up past my bedtime tonight. :laugh:
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Win or lose, that looks to be a very close vote!
My predictions continue to be much more pessimistic for Remain than the betting markets, though they seem to be in between estimates from Michael Thrasher and JP Morgan.
Predicted probability of Britain Remaining: 0
(81 of 382 areas reporting.)
Predicted vote share for Remain: 47.1 percent.
(90% prediction interval: 46.1 to 48.1 percent)
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Doesn't look good for the Brexit.
Surprisingly (to me) England looked to opt out but Scotland voted so overwhelmingly to stay in and that may have made the difference.
Turnout in Scotland has been very low though, so the Remainers are counting on London to save them. We will see. It's 6.1m leave to 5.8m remain atm.
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BBC has a constantly updating ticker on top that is more current than the WSJ. http://www.bbc.com/news
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Another good counter. Showing Leave with %51.5.
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8.2m leave 7.6m remain.
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Another good counter. Showing Leave with %51.5.
Don't worry they will release the absentee ballots in the end, skewing the perception.
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Leave now at 51.1%.
May not even be all that much of a squeaker.
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I'm excited here.
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12.6m leave to 11.8m remain. 22 of 33 London districts reporting.
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Nigel Farage, the Labour Party, BBC and ITV is calling it for "Leave" according to the Grauniad. The happening actually seems to be happening.
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I voted yes, yes with riots, and fish & chips.
I suspect a YES vote will not end the issue, as the ruling class are not likely to give up a smidge of power just because the Brits want out.
That's what I've been wondering about.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/david-cameron-no-second-referendum-if-uk-votes-for-brexit-1.2544465
https://constitution-unit.com/2016/01/19/what-happens-if-we-vote-for-brexit/
The implications of a vote to remain are easily predicted: the UK will stay in the EU, with whatever tweaks to our terms of membership David Cameron has negotiated. But what happens in the event of a vote to leave? That is much less obvious. This post sets out the processes and probes their implications.
The legal framework
We might start with the EU Referendum Act, which received royal assent just before Christmas. It sets out the referendum rules, so could be expected to define the effect of a vote either way. Alas, it does not: it makes no provision as to the referendum’s legal effect.
That is because, strictly speaking, it has no legal effect. It will be purely advisory and, in law, the government could simply ignore the result. In this it contrasts with the legislation for the electoral system referendum in 2011, which required the minister responsible to enact the result. But it is the same as the legislation underpinning the Scottish independence referendum of 2014 and, indeed, the referendum on membership of the Common Market in 1975.
Whatever the legal position, however, the political reality is that the government will have to respect the result. If the vote is to leave the EU, the Prime Minister will announce that the UK will indeed leave.
But that departure will not happen immediately: first comes a period when the UK can negotiate its future relationship with the EU. And here the process is regulated by law – specifically, by Article 50 of the EU’s Lisbon Treaty.
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http://twitchy.com/sd-3133/2016/06/23/lindsay-lohan-is-the-brexit-expert-brexpert-we-never-knew-we-needed/
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"Leave" is now about 900k votes ahead of "Remain".
Edit to add: 51.7% for "Leave" at the moment.
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I'm assuming EU operatives are engaged in balloting hijinks yet Leave is still winning.
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15.4m leave to 14.3m remain, 29 of 33 London authorities reporting. Interestingly London has been swinging more to leave than expected with over %40 for it.
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And "Leave" is now 1.1 million ahead of "Remain". Will leftists and EU politicians be on suicide watch today?
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Well, great. Now I have to listen to Conspiracy Cow-orker go on about why he can't figure out how "they" let the vote go that direction. ;/
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Now not only do I have to stay up late to see the results, but I'm going to have to be up early looking for stock deals when the market panics tomorrow morning. :laugh:
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Now not only do I have to stay up late to see the results, but I'm going to have to be up early looking for stock deals when the market panics tomorrow morning. :laugh:
Yesterday would have been a GREAT time to take a short position on the pound.
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Now not only do I have to stay up late to see the results, but I'm going to have to be up early looking for stock deals when the market panics tomorrow morning. :laugh:
I have the day off today but forgot to turn the alarm off on my phone. Good thing, because I'm following the leftist meltdown through /pol/. [popcorn]
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It's official. Still 8 districts to report, but Leave has crossed 50% of total turnout.
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Leave is >16.8m, so they have officially won.
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Leave is >16.8m, so they have officially won.
I bid you all good night! :laugh:
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One by one, the dominoes fall.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-wilders-idUKKCN0ZA0HQ
Geert Wilders of the Dutch Party For Freedom calls for a EU referendum in the Netherlands. Yet another happening might be happening.
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Yup. the lefty meltdown is truly epic already - just a quick skim of /r/news on reddit is pretty funny...
"Britain has made the biggest mistake ever!! it's the end!!!!"
"Hey, how about we wait and see what actually happens?"
"F--- YOU!!! IT'S THE END!!!!!"
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Thread on reddit for those interested:
https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/4pks0a/uk_citizens_vote_to_leave_the_european_union/
Also, if you click on the "Other discussions" on the top, you'll find all the other subreddits where the same link was posted, and the discussion in that subreddit. Currently /r/news is at around 11k posts, and /r/worldnews is at around 12k posts.
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Aaaand it's official: The United Kingdom leaves the European Union.
http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-36570120
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I keep hearing the talking heads mentioning that this is a "non-binding" referendum and while highly unlikely there is a possibility that the will of the peons will be ignored.
I don't see much chance of that but it would be entertaining as hell.
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Yup. the lefty meltdown is truly epic already - just a quick skim of /r/news on reddit is pretty funny...
"Britain has made the biggest mistake ever!! it's the end!!!!"
"Hey, how about we wait and see what actually happens?"
"F--- YOU!!! IT'S THE END!!!!!"
Uh, you realise that the people most upset by this are the economic conservatives, right???
UK socialists have been the most consistent and ardent supporters of the brexit.
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Wow! Truly surprised.
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Uh, you realise that the people most upset by this are the economic conservatives, right???
UK socialists have been the most consistent and ardent supporters of the brexit.
From an article I just read:
On this matter — and only on this matter — my hero was Tony Benn, a hard-line socialist who in 1990 made the best case for British independence that I have ever heard. By delegating more and more power to the EU, Benn argued, Parliament was confirming that it “had lost confidence in democracy”; that it “believes that it must be governed by someone else”; “that it was “afraid to use the powers entrusted to it by its constituents.” This, Benn believed, was unacceptable. “The rights that are entrusted to us,” he wrote, “are not for us to give away” — not to the King, not to the church, and not to another government. In Benn’s view — and this idea echoes throughout both British and American history — it didn’t matter whether the EU did a good job or imposed salutary laws or helped the economy to grow. “Even if I agree with everything that is proposed, I cannot hand away powers lent to me for five years by the people of Chesterfield,” he argued. “I just could not do it. It would be theft of public rights.”
It's about sovereignty, nationalism.
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Thread on reddit for those interested:
https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/4pks0a/uk_citizens_vote_to_leave_the_european_union/
Also, if you click on the "Other discussions" on the top, you'll find all the other subreddits where the same link was posted, and the discussion in that subreddit. Currently /r/news is at around 11k posts, and /r/worldnews is at around 12k posts.
Should have give us boatymcboatface
I just added my yes vote, so I can say I called it. =)
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http://imgur.com/a/mpXut
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/23/brexit-britain-votes-trump-hillary-obama/
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. . . It's about sovereignty, nationalism.
I was watching Varney's show on FBN last night, and this was mentioned. John Bolton was happy with the result, and some other talking head mentioned that the Brits would rather be governed by their own parliament rather than a bunch of bureaucrats and politicians they didn't knowin Brussels.
Oh, and mention was made in passing of a recent ruled handed down by the EU (in the name of controlling climate change) which outlawed the electric teapots and toasters used in most British homes. ;)
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From an article I just read:
It's about sovereignty, nationalism.
It's a lot like Trump actually - people with different values but who share a consciousness of how global governance is rigged in favour of state-corporate financiers.
It's really farcical to read all these arguments about economic catastrophe, when the EU has basically an entire generation unemployed and before the brexit, was mostly talking about how to deprive those people of any benefits that might offset the damage big finance has done to their countries.
If the EU is so economically awesome why is half of Europe being told to cut all payments to their people in order to pay back banks? Why is unemployment ranging up on a quarter of the population?
It's popular to blame those problems on welfare socialists, but in fact the cause is the hard line Neo-liberalism of the EU. Their policies are hugely unpopular, which is why they need the unaccountable and mercurial EU machinery to keep it running.
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Uh, you realise that the people most upset by this are the economic conservatives, right???
UK socialists have been the most consistent and ardent supporters of the brexit.
OK, but...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/8858823/Half-of-Conservative-MPs-want-to-pull-out-of-the-EU.html
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexitvote/2016/04/05/the-conservative-party-split-on-brexit/
http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21701257-results-paint-picture-angry-country-divided-class-age-and-region-country-divided
David Cameron, the Conservative prime minister, only agreed to hold this referendum in 2013 in a moment of political weakness before the most recent general election, as his own members panicked about the threat of UKIP and agitated for a chance to vote on a European Union that most rank-and-file Conservatives dislike or actively loathe. Mr Cameron is no instinctive lover of the EU and struggled to make a positive case for continued membership. Having offered unrealisable promises to reduce net immigration into Britain to tens of thousands a year, he was unable to defend the free movement of workers and people that is one of the EU’s founding pillars.
http://iainmacwhirter2.blogspot.com/2009/10/why-do-tories-hate-europe-so-much.html
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Does this now spell the end of the EU?
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OK, but...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/8858823/Half-of-Conservative-MPs-want-to-pull-out-of-the-EU.html
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexitvote/2016/04/05/the-conservative-party-split-on-brexit/
http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21701257-results-paint-picture-angry-country-divided-class-age-and-region-country-divided
http://iainmacwhirter2.blogspot.com/2009/10/why-do-tories-hate-europe-so-much.html
I hate to be pendatic, but that's the name of a party, not a description of ideologies of its members.
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Does this now spell the end of the EU?
Probably not, the elitist EU French will just get snootier, the Spanish will get more arrogant and the Germans more condescending towards the dumb Brits who were so stupid as to propose to abandon the great and powerful EU.
Hell I've already heard talk of the UK having another referendum vote to cancel out the one they just had.
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Marine Le Pen, leader of Front National in France, is calling for a French referendum on whether to stay in the EU.
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Marine Le Pen, leader of Front National in France, is calling for a French referendum on whether to stay in the EU.
Yeah, my understanding is that France is just as frustrated with the EU as the UK is, and just as sick of the micromanagement down to what household goods they can buy. Once some busybody in Brussels tells them what wine they can drink, that might be the tipping point. :laugh:
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Yup. the lefty meltdown is truly epic already - just a quick skim of /r/news on reddit is pretty funny...
"Britain has made the biggest mistake ever!! it's the end!!!!"
"Hey, how about we wait and see what actually happens?"
"F--- YOU!!! IT'S THE END!!!!!"
I noticed the same on failbook. The ones seeming to scream the loudest are of the same big government/globalist demographics that we have in the US. >:D :rofl:
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It's a lot like Trump actually - people with different values but who share a consciousness of how global governance is rigged in favour of state-corporate financiers.
IOW, corporatism.
Too many conservatives, libertarians, and GOP-dwellers do not understand that globalist corporations are also enemies of freedom, just as is an overweening state. They are of a part with NGOs, and other globalist institutions with zero allegiance to their own nation. Because freedom, thus far, has only been able to exist in the nation-state. And freedom the way we supposedly like it, as found in the founding documents & such, only found in some few NW-european nation-states and their former colonies.
I hate to be pendatic, but that's the name of a party, not a description of ideologies of its members.
Crazy-talk, that. No way a party with the names "Republican" or "Democrat" would endorse militaristic and corporatist globetrotting--along with similarly self-serving domestic policy--in service to their donors, thus each being more an "Imperialist Co-Party."
https://www.amazon.com/Republic-Not-Empire-Reclaiming-Americas/dp/0895261596
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I hate to be pendatic, but that's the name of a party, not a description of ideologies of its members.
Then don't be. By whatever name one calls it, nationalism and nativism are more right than left.
I was just providing some counterpoint to what you said about "economic conservatives." I trust it is widely understood that Euroscepticism has long been the preserve of small-c conservatives. Interesting that socialists have made common cause with them.
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IOW, corporatism.
Too many conservatives, libertarians, and GOP-dwellers do not understand that globalist corporations are also enemies of freedom, just as is an overweening state. They are of a part with NGOs, and other globalist institutions with zero allegiance to their own nation. Because freedom, thus far, has only been able to exist in the nation-state. And freedom the way we supposedly like it, as found in the founding documents & such, only found in some few NW-european nation-states and their former colonies.
I've become so cynical that I'm to the point of wanting to discourage my kids from attending Universities and instead go to tech schools, learn a trade or marketable skill and start their own businesses....
It used to be that a lot of people coming out of high school wanted to work for the Big Corporations as a status/upward mobility thing, I, and I'm guessing a lot of others, are at the point that they see big corporations as fascist organizations that push their own social/economic/progressive/globalist agenda that fall well outside of what are the majority values of a representative republic.
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I've become so cynical that I'm to the point of wanting to discourage my kids from attending Universities and instead go to tech schools, learn a trade or marketable skill and start their own businesses....
It used to be that a lot of people coming out of high school wanted to work for the Big Corporations as a status/upward mobility thing, I, and I'm guessing a lot of others, are at the point that they see big corporations as fascist organizations that push their own social/economic/progressive/globalist agenda that fall well outside of what are the majority values of a representative republic.
The deal wife and I are contemplating with our kiddos:
1. Pay for training in a trade or cert or whatnot after HS.
2. If they want college after that (in a remunerative course of study), help them as they also work their trade to help themselves.
3. If they are happy without college, capital investment in their business when they decide to strike out on their own.
The objective being their independence rather than a credential.
All this after some serious talk, which began as soon as they were able to understand it, about how your training/education will have a great impact on where and how you live. Want to live in BFE on land with critters in a rural setting? A bachelors in electrical engineering is less likely to find you there than, say, something leading to an independent business.
I have known plenty of folk who managed to make it this way. And a couple were good friends who were mechanics while getting engineering degrees.
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The deal wife and I are contemplating with our kiddos:
1. Pay for training in a trade or cert or whatnot after HS.
2. If they want college after that (in a remunerative course of study), help them as they also work their trade to help themselves.
3. If they are happy without college, capital investment in their business when they decide to strike out on their own.
The objective being their independence rather than a credential.
All this after some serious talk, which began as soon as they were able to understand it, about how your training/education will have a great impact on where and how you live. Want to live in BFE on land with critters in a rural setting? A bachelors in electrical engineering is less likely to find you there than, say, something leading to an independent business.
I have known plenty of folk who managed to make it this way. And a couple were good friends who were mechanics while getting engineering degrees.
That is pretty much my thought process, bolded part being the ultimate goal.
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I certainly owe the Brits an apology and do apologize.
My cynicism was apparently misplaced. It seemed improbable to me that they still had the stones to walk away from the globalists.
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I certainly owe the Brits an apology and do apologize.
My cynicism was apparently misplaced. It seemed improbable to me that they still had the stones to walk away from the globalists.
But will they (and we) have the stones to stone the globalists? As I suspect power and status and influence will not easily be given up by the globalists.
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Can we start UNEXIT now and get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US? Please?
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IOW, corporatism.
Too many conservatives, libertarians, and GOP-dwellers do not understand that globalist corporations are also enemies of freedom, just as is an overweening state. They are of a part with NGOs, and other globalist institutions with zero allegiance to their own nation. Because freedom, thus far, has only been able to exist in the nation-state.
We disagree about much, but this is spot on.
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Then don't be. By whatever name one calls it, nationalism and nativism are more right than left.
That's silly. Left v right as we use it in America does not relate to nationalism and nativism, even if our particular parties in America have staked out positions on it. Plenty of countries where the folks who want state control of business are also nativist and nationalist.
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I've become so cynical that I'm to the point of wanting to discourage my kids from attending Universities and instead go to tech schools, learn a trade or marketable skill and start their own businesses....
It used to be that a lot of people coming out of high school wanted to work for the Big Corporations as a status/upward mobility thing, I, and I'm guessing a lot of others, are at the point that they see big corporations as fascist organizations that push their own social/economic/progressive/globalist agenda that fall well outside of what are the majority values of a representative republic.
No need to start your own business and take on that risk/liability/headache. Sprinkler fitters around here make a minimum of $50/hour upon completion of a four year apprenticeship and passing the journeyman test. If they fail it then they stay as apprentices making $40/hour. Six figures a year before overtime, no need to deal with payroll and personnel management and all the other business hassles.
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No need to start your own business and take on that risk/liability/headache. Sprinkler fitters around here make a minimum of $50/hour upon completion of a four year apprenticeship and passing the journeyman test. If they fail it then they stay as apprentices making $40/hour. Six figures a year before overtime, no need to deal with payroll and personnel management and all the other business hassles.
Electricians and plumbers don't do so bad either, and will be needed everywhere that there is civilization.
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Electricians and plumbers don't do so bad either, and will be needed everywhere that there is civilization.
And only getting better, since more and more of them are retiring.
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That's silly. Left v right as we use it in America does not relate to nationalism and nativism...
I wasn't talking only about America, but in any context, I disagree. If right or left mean anything, I'm comfortable saying that rightists (anywhere) are more likely to skew nationalist and/or nativist. I'm pretty certain that's true in America. Of course, it also depends on how one defines the two n-words, there.
Plenty of countries where the folks who want state control of business are also nativist and nationalist.
OK
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I wasn't talking only about America, but in any context, I disagree. If right or left mean anything, I'm comfortable saying that rightists (anywhere) are more likely to skew nationalist and/or nativist. I'm pretty certain that's true in America. Of course, it also depends on how one defines the two n-words, there.
You are correct.
I'll just leave this here: http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/the-theory/rk-selection-theory/
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No need to start your own business and take on that risk/liability/headache. Sprinkler fitters around here make a minimum of $50/hour upon completion of a four year apprenticeship and passing the journeyman test. If they fail it then they stay as apprentices making $40/hour. Six figures a year before overtime, no need to deal with payroll and personnel management and all the other business hassles.
My Dad was in the Sprinkler fitters union. I don't think he ever made that kind of money. Did they bump up the rates recently?
Engineering can be a good college degree depending on what degree and grades. However it doesn't always translate easily to your own business unless you get into some sort of specialty where you are your own contractor.
The main thing is to pick a trade that won't go away with improving technology or be replaced by robots/computers.
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Well that was an interesting 24 hours.
The UK out of the EU, Cameron out of power (soon), the Blairite cretinry trying to get Corbyn out, almost every media outlet getting the result wrong, Nigel Farage conceding twice before claiming credit for the victory, and Harrods have stopped selling their Steak Exeter pies.
I do however think this was not really about the EU. Almost all of the political class over here was for Remain, and they (in England and Wales at least) got smashed - not only did Brexit win, but the top reason people of every political persuasion voted remain (according to polling conducted by Lord Ashcroft) was that people felt Brexit was too much of a risk.
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Plenty of countries where the folks who want state control of business are also nativist and nationalist.
Venezuela? Bolivia? Argentina?
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not only did Brexit win, but the top reason people of every political persuasion voted remain (according to polling conducted by Lord Ashcroft) was that people felt Brexit was too much of a risk.
That is especially interesting and suggests a significant dissatisfaction with the EU.
Imagine that, an overarching, unaccountable bureaucracy that governs against the will of the people is disliked.
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I heard reports that Scotland voted heavily for Remain. Can anyone confirm?
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I heard reports that Scotland voted heavily for Remain. Can anyone confirm?
Yes, about 68-32% in favor of "Remain".
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I heard reports that Scotland voted heavily for Remain. Can anyone confirm?
No, those are earplugs.
Scotland, a bunch of the little islands, and I think Northern Ireland as well.
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You are correct.
I'll just leave this here: http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/the-theory/rk-selection-theory/
I've seen that bandied about, but never read it before.
I don't know if they explain it in the book, but it doesn't seem to fit well with human immigrant populations in the West. Were 17th-20th century immigrants to America, and their descendants, more r than their K cousins, back in the Old Country? They had an embarrassment of resources here. If it wasn't easier to make a living here, than there, they wouldn't have come. Were the Natives more r, living in a huge, fertile continent, with a relatively low population?
I suppose others have asked that question before, so I assume there's a good answer.
Also, some rabbit trail led me to this, which seemed related. Or not. The author looks to be one of those pick-up artist stooges, but he had some interesting observations in this article.
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/02/07/leftoid-egocentrism/
The old saw that liberals love humanity but hate humans while conservatives hate humanity but love humans is proven accurate over and over, each time I am in the one or the other’s company.
I'm not proud to admit it, but I lost my childhood appreciation for humans some time ago. I'm definitely more of a humanity-lover than a human-lover these days. Still don't want to force them to solve all their problems my way, though. Maybe I don't love humanity, either.
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So as I read further about the Brexit, I keep seeing indications that rightists favor it (which usually means the Left doesn't). Should I post some of those, or is the moment gone?
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First Brexit, now Texit?
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-usa-secession-idUSKCN0ZA3F4
Unlikely, IMO. Secession is a far different, and messier, matter than a sovereign nation leaving a loose confederation of nations.
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First Brexit, now Texit?
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-usa-secession-idUSKCN0ZA3F4
Unlikely, IMO. Secession is a far different, and messier, matter than a sovereign nation leaving a loose confederation of nations.
That whole secession thing was pretty well settled in 1865. Ain't gonna happen, even if Texas had a referendum and had a 100% vote in favor of leaving the US.
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So as I read further about the Brexit, I keep seeing indications that rightists favor it (which usually means the Left doesn't). Should I post some of those, or is the moment gone?
What would that prove? You seem to have completely missed the obvious point about corporatism to continue on in a vain attempt to prove something about "the right." Obviously people in the right (not the same thing as American conservatives) also support it.
Being hung up on identity politics is one reason why the same policies get admitted by red and blue administrations every time. You're stuck on making the Brexit a right vs left thing when it clearly is not, at least not in the way that someone who wants to offshore your job would describe left vs right.
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A suite of hand-wringing, what have they done?! articles.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/25/opinion/britain-leaves-on-a-cry-of-anger-and-frustration.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/24/opinion/brexit-and-europes-angry-old-men.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/25/opinion/britains-brexit-leap-in-the-dark.html
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What would that prove? You seem to have completely missed the obvious point about corporatism to continue on in a vain attempt to prove something about "the right." Obviously people in the right (not the same thing as American conservatives) also support it.
Being hung up on identity politics is one reason why the same policies get admitted by red and blue administrations every time. You're stuck on making the Brexit a right vs left thing when it clearly is not, at least not in the way that someone who wants to offshore your job would describe left vs right.
Lighten up, Francis. Somebody said lefties didn't like the Brexit. Then you insisted it was a left-right thing. Now you say it's not a left-right thing, and I have to talk about corporatism, or shut up. Whatever, man.
So are you guys staying in the Commonwealth, down there, or Aus-xiting? =)
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First Brexit, now Texit?
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-usa-secession-idUSKCN0ZA3F4
Unlikely, IMO. Secession is a far different, and messier, matter than a sovereign nation leaving a loose confederation of nations.
Yeah, it's too bad, because I would love to see the state of Jefferson. :)
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Lighten up, Francis. Somebody said lefties didn't like the Brexit. Then you insisted it was a left-right thing. Now you say it's not a left-right thing, and I have to talk about corporatism, or shut up. Whatever, man.
So are you guys staying in the Commonwealth, down there, or Aus-xiting? =)
I said (rightly) that leftists have been the most staunch supporters of the Brexit.
Australia is likely to exit the commonwealth at some point. It becomes a hot topic every decade or so.
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Lighten up, Francis. Somebody said lefties didn't like the Brexit. Then you insisted it was a left-right thing. Now you say it's not a left-right thing, and I have to talk about corporatism, or shut up. Whatever, man.
So are you guys staying in the Commonwealth, down there, or Aus-xiting? =)
It isn't a left-right thing, FWIW. Whilst most of the Parliamentary Labour Party were for remain, most of them are right wingers of one sort or another and there were more than a few left wing types who represented the old Bennite wing of the party wanting to leave (my own MP included). Even the leader Jeremy Corbyn has a long history of euroscepticism and was a very late, and not especially enthused, backer of Remain.
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Some reports are suggesting it's more of a generational thing, with middle-aged and older folks supporting Leave and the younger folks supporting Remain (perhaps because it's all they've known?).
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I said (rightly) that leftists have been the most staunch supporters of the Brexit.
No! It's about corporatism! Only De Selby is allowed to discuss left-right alignment of the Brexit vote!
Oh, sorry, Mr. De Selby, I didn't realize it was you.
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According to some stories I read, folks in the U.K. don't like faceless bureaucrats in Brussels outlawing British teapots, toasters, powerful vacuum cleaners, hair dryers, etc., all in the name of the fight against global warming.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11061538/EU-to-ban-high-energy-hair-dryers-smartphones-and-kettles.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11061538/EU-to-ban-high-energy-hair-dryers-smartphones-and-kettles.html)
http://news.sky.com/story/1322500/vacuum-ban-to-outlaw-most-powerful-cleaners (http://news.sky.com/story/1322500/vacuum-ban-to-outlaw-most-powerful-cleaners)
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(NSFW language)
http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1466795133935.jpg
(ETA:)
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Some reports are suggesting it's more of a generational thing, with middle-aged and older folks supporting Leave and the younger folks supporting Remain (perhaps because it's all they've known?).
A friend from an EU country (not GB) said just that in a telephone conversation we had this morning (morning my time). And he also made the point that the people favoring Remain had mostly never known anything else.
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FWIW, Some NPR show was interviewing Some Brit Journo this evening. He said the split was mainly old/young, and white/other. He also said it was those more fully indoctrinated by the educational system that voted for Remain. OK, OK, that last bit included a bit of my editorializing. =)
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Scotland may try for independence again:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/24/europe/scotland-eu-referendum/index.html
Scotland will likely seek independence for a second time this decade after the historic vote for the United Kingdom to leave the European Union, Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said Friday.
Sturgeon's Scottish National Party was elected on a platform that vowed, in part, to revisit the independence issue -- last decided in a failed 2014 referendum -- should the country be "taken out of the EU against our will," Sturgeon said.
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There's talk of Northern Ireland leaving the UK, too.
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Scotland may try for independence again:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/24/europe/scotland-eu-referendum/index.html
To be fair, what she wants to do could not really be called "independence"; she wants to swap being part of one union for another one, albeit one where they have less power.
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Working for a British company and managing global services that have to meet EU regulatory requirements regarding data integrity, privacy, and so on, it will be interesting to see how this affects our service models.
We already have two teams and two "services" to cover the customers who don't want their data to leave the EU, but some of those are entirely UK-homed companies. When the split is finalized, they may not want their data to leave the UK. If so, we'll have to stand up a 3rd instance of our service. For the ones who need to remain in the UK, the infrastructure is there, but managed remotely by folks in the UK, so the EU would get bodies.
So, I can foresee the cost of running my services going up significantly.
Chris
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My Dad was in the Sprinkler fitters union. I don't think he ever made that kind of money. Did they bump up the rates recently?
Engineering can be a good college degree depending on what degree and grades. However it doesn't always translate easily to your own business unless you get into some sort of specialty where you are your own contractor.
The main thing is to pick a trade that won't go away with improving technology or be replaced by robots/computers.
Beats me, could just be regional variation too. Seattle generally has higher wages.
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Beats me, could just be regional variation too. Seattle generally has higher wages.
My information is likely out of date also. My Dad retired at least 5 years back and he spent his last 15 years as a foreman for a company out of Chicago and I am pretty sure they either paid him better or gave him some other benefits. Anyway, I haven't heard him talk about the wages since before that which means the 80's or 90's. I will have to ask him if he knows of any place where the wages were that high. He still goes to union meetings for retirees.
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Fitters make big bucks in Chicago land. Foreman's make even more. Of course getting hours can be an issue if things are slow.
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That is likely true here also about the work. I am the youngest kid. Once I got a couple years into college my Dad started going all around the country for jobs.
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From the wayback machine:
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/11/16/why-uk-might-end-voting-brexit/
While Cameron looks certain to campaign for an “in” vote, Boris Johnson has yet to show his hand. This month’s YouGov/Prospect research shows that if Boris campaigns for Brexit, this could severely weaken the Cameron effect. In one survey we asked people how they would vote if both men campaigned for Britain to stay in the EU. The effect was to life the pro-EU majority from three points to 18 – a 15-point bounce. But when we asked a separate sample how they would vote if Cameron wanted “in” and Boris wanted “out”, the bounce was half as much – just eight points. At this stage such numbers can be no more than indicative. But they remain telling. If Cameron and Boris both campaign for an “in” vote, Conservatives say they would vote the same way by 51-31%; but if the two men end up on opposite sides, Tories then say they would vote 41-38% for Brexit.
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Well, I see Britain is adopting the US model. If you lose, cry and wail and start e-petitions to have the vote overturned. Of course the same people who are signing the petition would have a hissy if it was all reversed and the Brexit side started a petition.
Also, I can't believe it, but I agree with Piers Morgan on something.
http://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2016/06/26/get-off-his-lawn-piers-morgan-calls-out-lazy-youth-over-brexit/
One of the commenters said:
that's unfair!! Very unfair! Truth is politics are not engaged with young people - WHY?
Again, very similar to the US. Sorry, but it's not up to politics to engage with young (or any) people. It's up to people to engage with politics. If I allowed politics in the US to engage with me, I'd be voting progressive and have my hand out for gov goodies. Instead, I think for myself, do my own research, and don't vote progressive.
Funny though, many are also blaming the "commoners" for this because apparently another poll showed that those with college degrees voted in higher percentages for "stay", and the working class voted in higher percentages for "leave". If only the little people would have listened to their betters. Or perhaps been kept from voting at all. Let those who know what's best for you take care of you. Again, very familiar sounding.
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http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2016/06/16/chancellor-why-i-have-voted-for-brexit/
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http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2016/06/16/chancellor-why-i-have-voted-for-brexit/
Well-reasoned and well-written.
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Not so well-reasoned or well-written, but I couldn't resist:
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:rofl:
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Thanks for posting that. It's still cracking me up.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-32810887
It was the highest turnout in a UK-wide vote since the 1992 general election.
England voted strongly for Brexit, by 53.4% to 46.6%, as did Wales, with Leave getting 52.5% of the vote and Remain 47.5%.
Could MPs block an EU exit?
Could the necessary legislation pass the Commons, given that a lot of MPs - all SNP and Lib Dems, nearly all Labour and many Conservatives - were in favour of staying?
The referendum result is not legally binding - Parliament still has to pass the laws that will get Britain out of the 28 nation bloc, starting with the repeal of the 1972 European Communities Act.
The withdrawal agreement also has to be ratified by Parliament - the House of Lords and/or the Commons could vote against ratification, according to a House of Commons library report.
In practice, Conservative MPs who voted to remain in the EU would be whipped to vote with the government. Any who defied the whip would have to face the wrath of voters at the next general election.
One scenario that could see the referendum result overturned, is if MPs forced a general election and a party campaigned on a promise to keep Britain in the EU, got elected and then claimed that the election mandate topped the referendum one.
Two-thirds of MPs would have to vote for a general election to be held before the next scheduled one in 2020.
Going by the figures in the article, opponents of the Brexit spent more than twice as much as the Brexiteers, and with much larger donations. (Though the article doesn't list all the money spent.)
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I do hope the MP's kill this and stay in the EU. The Brits would be "vote for Trump" levels of pissed and they might actually start firing their traitor class MP's.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZl2udKDG3g
Some very special commentary about America, at about 50 seconds. Also, she thinks the majority of Brexiteers are over 75.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZl2udKDG3g
Some very special commentary about America, at about 50 seconds. Also, she thinks the majority of Brexiteers are over 75.
Special indeed.
Hilarious that, "I thought America was the one so filled with hate"
And she's oblivious to the hate she has for America (and now her own countrymen).
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I would like to ask her if believing that Europe is full of wonderful people (which she claims) isn't a form of racism. :lol: Not that it is, it would just be fun to ask.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZl2udKDG3g
Some very special commentary about America, at about 50 seconds. Also, she thinks the majority of Brexiteers are over 75.
Also commentary about "older people." Apparently, in her world view, "older people" should not be entitled to have their votes count the same as those of younger people.
I noticed that while talking she continually turned her eyes up and toward her right, rather than looking at the camera or the interviewer. I recall seeing articles interpreting that, and I need to do some research to see what it's purported to indicate.
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I noticed that while talking she continually turned her eyes up and toward her right, rather than looking at the camera or the interviewer. I recall seeing articles interpreting that, and I need to do some research to see what it's purported to indicate.
Usually means they're making it up as they go along.
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"I feel that hate won."
(where "hate" == any opinion that I don't like)
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I do hope the MP's kill this and stay in the EU. The Brits would be "vote for Trump" levels of pissed and they might actually start firing their traitor class MP's.
They are entirely stupid enough to do this.
UKIP has been taking votes from the Tories (and more recently, Labour) for years - mainly at European elections (they have one MP, but he is a Tory defector, and to be honest despises Farage anyway), this referendum result will get rid of UKIP (both by removing their reason for existence, and sacking the MEPs whose expenses go quite a long way to keep the party going) and so boost both main parties by literally millions of votes... which of course translates into more seats won; seats which may be key to winning a General Election and forming a government.
In fact the one way that UKIP can both survive and thrive is for the political class to try and ignore the result of this referendum. In any kind of logical world this would mean that such an outcome would be unlikely, but this is Westminster and so there is probably a 90% likelyhood of them doing it. In fact I would point out that even if they did it, it probably wouldn't be the most stupid thing that MPs will get up to this week (the farcical attempted defenestration of Corbyn by his own MPs wins that award).
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/28/europe/uk-brexit-eu-referendum/index.html
"I know that virtually none of you have ever done a proper job in your lives or worked in business or worked in trade or indeed ever created a job. But listen, just listen," Farage said at the special meeting, held to address the Brexit fallout.
Whatever faults Farage may have, he's on target here.
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/28/europe/uk-brexit-eu-referendum/index.html
Whatever faults Farage may have, he's on target here.
+1.