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Obama spied on Trump
« on: April 10, 2019, 01:02:36 PM »
https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/10/william-barr-spying-trump-campaign/

AG Barr acknowledges that the Obama administration DID spy on the Trump campaign. He notes that the spying might have been "predicated" (legitimate), but that he won't know that without an investigation.

This article mentions the FBI, but another article suggested that the majority of the spying may have been by intelligence agencies other than the FBI.
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Re: Obama spied on Trump
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2019, 01:10:33 PM »
Barr is certainly a welcome change from Jeff Sessions.  I hope it's not all for show, but I suspect Barr is the real deal.
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Re: Obama spied on Trump
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2019, 01:54:46 PM »
Forgive me for losing track of this stuff, but can anyone give a rundown of what spying we are certain about?
Off the top of my head there is:

Carter Page - FISA warrant. Released with redactions - lots of speculation still about those redactions. It started after he had left the campaign but would have given access to prior communications if I understand correctly. Obviously it would cover whoever he's talking to although I'm not aware of any details released about who that includes. It was also renewed 2 or 3 times I think?

Michael Flynn - Assumed to be incidental collection (speaking w/ a foreign ambassador). I think this one kick-offed the "unmasking scandal" did that actually go anywhere? This is the last thing I remember happening on that front: https://www.circa.com/story/2017/08/03/politics/susan-rice-keeps-top-secret-security-clearance-hr-mcmaster-letter-says

Stefan Halper - We know he was an FBI and CIA informant and he contacted Trump Campaign members (Clovis, Page, & Papadopoulos) asking them what they knew about hacked emails. He didn't seem to get much. I seem to remember his identity being pieced together from a bunch of different redacted documents.
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Re: Obama spied on Trump
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2019, 02:04:02 PM »
Forgive me for losing track of this stuff, but can anyone give a rundown of what spying we are certain about?


Wiretaps of Trump Tower, for one.

Probably monitored campaign and Trump family e-mail and cell phone traffic, as well.
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Re: Obama spied on Trump
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2019, 02:24:54 PM »
My prediction is that not one damn thing will come from any of it.
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Re: Obama spied on Trump
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2019, 03:10:48 PM »
My prediction is that not one damn thing will come from any of it.

You keep saying that.







And they keep proving that you're right.
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Re: Obama spied on Trump
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2019, 03:25:45 PM »
Wiretaps of Trump Tower, for one.
???
I thought that whole thing turned out to be Trump talking about the Carter Page FISA warrant?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Tower_wiretapping_allegations
Although monitoring Manafort is mentioned there which I didn't have listed and don't have much info on.
http://fortune.com/2017/09/19/paul-manafort-fbi-surveillance-donald-trump-russia/
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Re: Obama spied on Trump
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2019, 09:15:03 PM »
This is my shocked face.
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Re: Obama spied on Trump
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2019, 11:13:43 PM »
???
I thought that whole thing turned out to be Trump talking about the Carter Page FISA warrant?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Tower_wiretapping_allegations
Although monitoring Manafort is mentioned there which I didn't have listed and don't have much info on.
http://fortune.com/2017/09/19/paul-manafort-fbi-surveillance-donald-trump-russia/


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Re: Obama spied on Trump
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2019, 08:38:59 AM »
In the moral, catatonic stupor America finds itself in today it is only disagreement we seek, and the more virulent that disagreement, the better.

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Re: Obama spied on Trump
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2019, 08:42:38 AM »
Early on I heard transcripts of conversations were shared with people like Valerie Jarrett.  Using the countries' internal and external espionage apparatus to spy on political opponents should be something that gets you taken out back and shot.
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Re: Obama spied on Trump
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2019, 09:46:16 AM »
Early on I heard transcripts of conversations were shared with people like Valerie Jarrett.  Using the countries' internal and external espionage apparatus to spy on political opponents should be something that gets you taken out back and shot.

Concur.

We know it happened. Anyone with at least half a brain knows why it was done. Crap like this should simultaneously enrage and scare the hell out of any liberty loving person.
If this goes unanswered our republic is truly dead.
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Re: Obama spied on Trump
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2019, 11:20:20 PM »
???
I thought that whole thing turned out to be Trump talking about the Carter Page FISA warrant?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Tower_wiretapping_allegations
Although monitoring Manafort is mentioned there which I didn't have listed and don't have much info on.
http://fortune.com/2017/09/19/paul-manafort-fbi-surveillance-donald-trump-russia/



I believe the allegation is that the whole thing was cooked up as an excuse to surveil Trump's campaign.
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Re: Obama spied on Trump
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2019, 02:28:33 AM »
Concur.

We know it happened. Anyone with at least half a brain knows why it was done. Crap like this should simultaneously enrage and scare the hell out of any liberty loving person.
If this goes unanswered our republic is truly dead.

This.  It’s incredible that so many people have been bamboozled into not seeing the problem.
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Re: Obama spied on Trump
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2019, 03:51:49 AM »
A very good synopsis:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/barr-brings-accountability-11555022792



And I think everyone misses one final piece.  The after.  After Hillary gets elected and sometime either shortly before the midterms or in the runup to 2020.

"FBI Investigation reveals Trump campaign conspired with Russians to steal 2016 election."

It would utterly destroy the Republican party.  With Hillary (and the democrats) controlling the organs of government, no way to refute the allegations, the media would be like a pack of piranhas.  The Republican Party would be skeletionized and the democrats free to run rough shod over the Republic and Constitution and implement every and any hare-brained scheme they wished.  Questioning them or opposing them would mean you were one of those Republicans controlled by the Russians.
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Re: Obama spied on Trump
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2019, 06:01:34 PM »
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