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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: makattak on November 20, 2009, 05:05:13 PM
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Developing story.
To say the least, the fallout will be fun if it proves to be true:
http://politics.slashdot.org/story/09/11/20/1747257/Climatic-Research-Unit-Hacked-Files-Leaked
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/breaking-news-story-hadley-cru-has-apparently-been-hacked-hundreds-of-files-released/#more-12937
Most interesting so far:
I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps
to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from
1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline. Mike’s series got the annual
land and marine values while the other two got April-Sept for NH land
N of 20N. The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999
for NH combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for 1999 with
data through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998.
Thanks for the comments, Ray
(emphasis added)
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Okay, I think I need to get ahold of this. :angel:
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It seems to be convincing a lot of people.
1.) It was over 60Mb of data of technical files and emails, which is very hard to fake.
2.) An official from the University that owns the server admits they were hacked and data was stolen.
The quote in the OP was from an email 10yrs old, and may be missing context. I have yet to see anything posted that is particularly bad.
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Holy cow, it's huge.
60 meg is the compressed size.... and it's mostly text. :O
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I located a torrent of the entire thing.
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http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/index.php
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The excerpts I have read, even given context, are not reassuring to this data nerd.
Given that I work on a lot of gov't contracts that use taxpayer dollars, I would have been in "pound me in the ass federal prison" for colluding to keep the data unknown.
But, yeah, academics are just so much more ethical and do much more objective analysis than us tainted by working for for-profit companies.
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http://www.rossputin.com/blog/media/Hadley_%20CRU_FOI2009.zip (http://www.rossputin.com/blog/media/Hadley_%20CRU_FOI2009.zip)
link from
http://www.peoplespresscollective.org/2009/11/has-the-global-warming-lie-been-truly-exposed/ (http://www.peoplespresscollective.org/2009/11/has-the-global-warming-lie-been-truly-exposed/)
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I pulled it off the original torrent.
I've also put it up on RapidShare:
http://rapidshare.com/files/309871096/FOI2009.zip.html (http://rapidshare.com/files/309871096/FOI2009.zip.html)
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But, yeah, academics are just so much more ethical and do much more objective analysis than us tainted by working for for-profit companies.
A bridge of Rearden Metal will surely collapse...
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Couple of good links summarizing the data:
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2009/11/20/climate-cuttings-33.html
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/11/024995.php
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Oh, dear...
Here is a summary of what the AGW-ers were emailing about:
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2009/9/29/the-yamal-implosion.html
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Yeah, I just saw that Bishop Hill link via Instapundit. Some of that stuff is pretty bad; as in conspiracy to lie, and conspiracy to violate Freedom of Information, bad.
jfruser,
I've seen published studies that admit profitable companies produce better research than universities.
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Can't wait to see how it spins on all sides.
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Here's the spin in the St. Louis Pravda-Dispatch. In a nutshell, they say the bad stuff is really not all that bad, and taken out of context. Those of you who've scanned the hacked info, what say you?
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/2CB64618A072F8278625767500118DF3?OpenDocument
I like the comment at the bottom that says "Scientists are humn. They error." :lol:
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I like the comment at the bottom that says "Scientists are humn. They error." :lol:
I think in this case it's more like "Scientists are human, they lie".
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Interesting and hypocritical quote from the New York Times:
The documents appear to have been acquired illegally and contain all manner of private information and statements that were never intended for the public eye, so they won’t be posted here.
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/20/private-climate-conversations-on-display/
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Interesting and hypocritical quote from the New York Times:
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/20/private-climate-conversations-on-display/
Too bad it didn't have any classified info or useful propaganda photos of dead .mil, they'd be tripping over themselves in their haste to publish it.
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hmmm, green on the outside... red on the inside... i say we sent in this guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI8QxKTw59Q) :lol: >:D
you know, it's hard to find a good Gallagher smashin' melons vid now 8)
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Interesting and hypocritical quote from the New York Times:
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/20/private-climate-conversations-on-display/
Wow. That is really stunning.
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I hope that a lot of the
scientists charlatans involved find employment opportunities to be very lacking in the near future.
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The NY Times won't soil its hands... QED
Thank God for hackers. They will be our first wave of freedom fighters.
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I predict that this will be ignored as if it never happened by the powers that be and their mindless disciples and that they will continue on the AGW lemming parade.
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Folks, the emails are the least of it. The bodies are buried in the code & code comments.
I started a new thread to discuss the code & code comments here:
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=22035.0
Makes Dan Rather look like a piker. "AGW Climate Modeling: Fake But Accurate."
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I predict that this will be ignored as if it never happened by the powers that be and their mindless disciples and that they will continue on the AGW lemming parade.
Swish! 3 points for the win.
Far too much money is in the balance. Far too much power waits in the wings for implementation. Global warming was the long sought global threat to be used to unite the nations under a global government. There will be attempts to ignore it but is will only buy the power elites a short period of time before the backlash starts.
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Senator to demand probeof global-warming 'fraud'
'They cooked the science to makethis thing look as if it was settled'
Posted: November 24, 2009
12:51 pm Eastern
By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily
The Senate's leading global-warming skeptic says he plans to demand an investigation into the allegedly fraudulent data manipulation unveiled at a highly influential British research center, and another prominent analyst says he's heard enough and there should be prosecutions.
University of East Anglia Climate Research Unit
As WND reported, documents and e-mails retrieved by a computer hacker from the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit indicate top climate-change scientists have manipulated data to hide cooling trends and worked together to marginalize scientists with opposing views.
Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., a guest on the Washington Times morning radio show, said he knew scientists were "cooking" information years ago. The e-mails, he said, were the proof, and now something needs to be done.
A Washington Times editorial said the content of the e-mails "could end the academic careers of many prominent professors. Academics who have purposely hidden data, destroyed information and doctored their results have committed scientific fraud."
"It is pretty serious," Inhofe said. "And since, you know, Barbara Boxer is the chairman and I'm the ranking member on Environment and Public Works, if nothing happens in the next seven days when we go back into session a week from today that would change this situation, I will call for an investigation.
"This thing is serious," he continued. "You think about the literally millions of dollars that have been thrown away on some of this stuff that they came out with."
Inhofe said he would ask for an investigation into the United Nations and its climate change committee "on the way they cooked the science to make this thing look as if the science was settled, when all the time of course we knew it was not."
Continued at;
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=117017
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Swish! 3 points for the win.
Far too much money is in the balance. Far too much power waits in the wings for implementation. Global warming was the long sought global threat to be used to unite the nations under a global government. There will be attempts to ignore it but is will only buy the power elites a short period of time before the backlash starts.
If it is ignored, it will only be ignored by certain media. Rush talked about it for almost the whole 3 hours today. There are various articles out on it so far. We'll see.
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I think the MSM is going to learn that it can't cover some things up the way it wants to. Gogo internet!
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I think the MSM is going to learn that it can't cover some things up the way it wants to. Gogo internet!
It does show the usefulness of information warfare, no?
ACORN was broken by 2 kids and $3k. Global warming jihad might be broken by hackers for essentially pennies of electricity usage. Be interesting to see what else comes along in the next few years.
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It does show the usefulness of information warfare, no?
ACORN was broken by 2 kids and $3k. Global warming jihad might be broken by hackers for essentially pennies of electricity usage. Be interesting to see what else comes along in the next few years.
I'm waiting for the video of Obama snorting a line of crack off a hooker's ass. That, or ranting against whitey.
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I'm waiting for the video of Obama snorting a line of crack off a hooker's ass. That, or ranting against whitey.
As far as I'm concerned when he called his grandmother a 'typical white person' he was ranting against whitey ... :mad:
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I thought there was a clip from his audio book that sounded pretty much like a rant against whitey. (Probably taken out of context, but since when does that stop anybody?)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEiLgbBGKVk&feature=player_embedded
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydo2Mwnwpac&feature=related
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I heard the CRU released a statement. The bit I heard went like "One wonders if the information wasn't stolen and released to coincide with the conference in Copenhagen."
Wow, ya think?
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" . . . Academics who have purposely hidden data, destroyed information and doctored their results have committed scientific fraud."
I work in a scientific area (commercial, not in academia) and have to say this: if you falsify data, you WILL be found out eventually. I routinely share data, designs, and results with colleagues, and if I said a widget I designed was going to perform in a certain manner, it had darned well BETTER perform in that manner. If I say a widget I evaluated performed in a certain manner, it had darned well BETTER perform as I say it did.
Scientific results have to be repeatable. If they're not . . . there's a problem.
People make mistakes (only one man who ever lived was perfect, and I'm not Him.) and they can be allowed for . . . but when it comes to science and engineering, deliberate falsification is - and should be! - a definite career-ender.
And if done in the context of taxpayer-funding, I'd say it's criminal.
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FWIW, Newsmax is reporting that there is a lot of material in the files regarding none other than "the director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, Dr. John P. Holdren".
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/climategate_holdren_email/2009/11/27/291545.html?s=al&promo_code=9234-1
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Don't forget Hansen at NASA is cc'd on many of the emails.