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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Perd Hapley on October 28, 2016, 01:21:31 AM
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Inspired by the U.K.'s recent plebiscite, and Mr. Trump's plan to build a border wall, I hereby propose a plan superior to both. In addition to the wall on the southern border, I propose we wall off California, and a portion of the eastern sea-board between New York City and D.C. Much of New Jersey, Delaware, and Maryland would have to be sacrificed, with any remaining portions being absorbed into adjacent states (with apologies to Pennsylvania and Virginia).
In addition, inhabitants of Midwestern cities with a population over 1 million would be deported to the coastal Forsaken Zones. Select cities like Austin and Seattle would be included in this program. Immigration from the Forsaken Zones would be subject to Extreme Vetting, to include a marksmanship test, using a rainbow flag as a target; and a demonstration of how to draw Mohamed. (Extra points will be awarded for "drawing" a portrait of Mohamed, from 15 yards, on the rainbow flag target.)
We will also remember our neighbor to the north. Our border with her will be left open, to allow some room for malcontents to escape. Any former Americans attempting to re-enter through the Canadian border will be deported to Bill Clinton's private orgy-island.
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I don't know about all that. Maybe we could just create some kind of... partition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India)... between the country and strongly encourage people to move to their side of the partition.
I'm sure it will allow for much more peaceful coexistence. Between two nuclear armed, hostile countries.
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Hey fistful, there is a flaw in your system. You should start moving because by living in the ST Louis, MO metro area you are in a place that exceeds the 1 million population. >:D
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Hey fistful, there is a flaw in your system. You should start moving because by living in the ST Louis, MO metro area you are in a place that exceeds the 1 million population. >:D
Damnit! You weren't supposed.to remind him.
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Damnit! You weren't supposed.to remind him.
Yes but it also effects those like Nick, Jim and myself to name a few.
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Yes but it also effects those like Nick, Jim and myself to name a few.
Don't forget Mike! Fistful and Irwin stuck in Libtopia.
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I'm not in the city my town is population 312.
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It appears Chicago is the only midwestern city with a population over 1 million. The plan will need to be revised.
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We're including greater metropolitan areas.
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If someone tried to forcibly move American citizens against their will, I would be happy to fight and kill the responsible enemies of the United States doing so. Neither the US government nor individual states have the authority to forcibly "deport" US citizens and divest them of their property against their will.
We screwed up with the internment camps once, and it is a dark stain on the country that the responsible parties were never imprisoned for their crimes. The victims were partially compensated, but the guilty parties paid no price. This shall not be allowed a second time.
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If someone tried to forcibly move American citizens against their will, I would be happy to fight and kill the responsible enemies of the United States doing so. Neither the US government nor individual states have the authority to forcibly "deport" US citizens and divest them of their property against their will.
We screwed up with the internment camps once, and it is a dark stain on the country that the responsible parties were never imprisoned for their crimes. The victims were partially compensated, but the guilty parties paid no price. This shall not be allowed a second time.
Ok, so Rev gets put in the other partition.
I'm really not sure how anyone can object to such a modest proposal.
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Ok, so Rev gets put in the other partition.
I forgot to mention that those with no sense of humor will also be deported.
Actually, I am mostly serious about this. Deporting Americans? OK, maybe not, but we could sure incentivize relocation of non-deplorables. =)
We're including greater metropolitan areas.
Then you'll be deported. Away with you.
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I’ve argued against secession and separation before, in other places, yes, but here, as well.3 It would be awful, a crime against God and man, the ruination of the second greatest thing ever to happen on the planet. Yet, it may not be avoidable and it may not be as bad as not breaking up the country. The short version is, in the event of a Hillary victory in November, we are probably looking at the death of the First Amendment via judicial fiat, as soon as she puts someone into the Supreme Court dedicated to overturning Citizens United, which is to say someone dedicated to the proposition that no one may criticize Hillary Clinton with impunity.4 You may reasonably expect the death of the Second Amendment to follow on that quite briskly. And then you can expect, as she claimed – possibly the only honest statement of her dishonest and dissolute life – to want open borders, that you will be replaced by a new people, beholden to her and not giving a rat’s *expletive deleted*ck about the United States.
And that would be it. There will be no America after that. There will be no return to a republic after that. We’ll be under the Birkenstocked feet of the lunatic left, and made unwelcome and powerless in our own country. America will be finished.
Better to fight while we still can and to save whatever can be saved.
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If someone tried to forcibly move American citizens against their will, I would be happy to fight and kill the responsible enemies of the United States doing so. Neither the US government nor individual states have the authority to forcibly "deport" US citizens and divest them of their property against their will.
We screwed up with the internment camps once, and it is a dark stain on the country that the responsible parties were never imprisoned for their crimes. The victims were partially compensated, but the guilty parties paid no price. This shall not be allowed a second time.
What if it is not someone, but..._everyone_? Or, rather, every group (or multiple groups) deciding that they would prefer to live in/about their own kind, exclusively?
Pretty much a North American replay of what happened to Europe after WW2, when there was mass-migration hither & yon with both push and pull forces--resulting in rather homogeneous nation-states after centuries of multi-ethnic mixing (in the warm authoritarian embrace of various empires).
Or the Balkans in the 1990s. You telling us that you'd be Balkan Globocop v2.0 and make like NATO (1992-2004) and now the EU (2004-TBD), imposing your vision by force of arms?
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-28-2015/1oMqf-.gif)
And, if the Great Sorting comes about, you can forget about internment camps. No one will care enough to build them. Like the post-WW2 migrations, it will be "Hit the road Jack."
Ugly stuff, but it is the default setting of the human race. Western Civ sure was nice and we're going to miss it when its gone.
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What if it is not someone, but..._everyone_? Or, rather, every group (or multiple groups) deciding that they would prefer to live in/about their own kind, exclusively?
Pretty much a North American replay of what happened to Europe after WW2, when there was mass-migration hither & yon with both push and pull forces--resulting in rather homogeneous nation-states after centuries of multi-ethnic mixing (in the warm authoritarian embrace of various empires).
Or the Balkans in the 1990s. You telling us that you'd be Balkan Globocop v2.0 and make like NATO (1992-2004) and now the EU (2004-TBD), imposing your vision by force of arms?
And, if the Great Sorting comes about, you can forget about internment camps. No one will care enough to build them. Like the post-WW2 migrations, it will be "Hit the road Jack."
Ugly stuff, but it is the default setting of the human race. Western Civ sure was nice and we're going to miss it when its gone.
Voluntary self-association is fine, Constitutional and basically what humans do anyways. Again, I did play Balkan Globocop. I had no issues with Ethnic Group A not wanting to live intermixed with Ethnic Group B. That's fine. When Ethnic Group C says "Hey, let's persuade Groups A and B to leave by very unpleasant means, for the glory of Ethnic Group C!", that's not so kosher.
Again, not trying to play interwebz kommando! Moreso, "I've actually this implemented and it was children with hands wire tied together, who died being suffocated under the weight of their parents and X feet of dirt. Based on my personal experiences with this vision being implemented in the real world, I have a few issues with it."
People are already self-containing. It is routinely happening, as is people deciding to mix. That's what America is about. Choice n' freedom n' stuff. People who try to take from others, including choice 'n freedom, are very bad people, even if they do it for "the greater good". Yes, being an open society has its own difficulties. I suspect Western civ will stick around longer than anyone imagines. The alternatives tend to be even worse. They tend to surge, and then crash horrifically. Western civ is a lot more low level chaos on a routine basis, but it has staying power.
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Rev, about forty million innocents have been shoved into America's mass graves already. It just doesn't offend your sensibilities, as you can't see them.
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There should be another internet law on the subject, akin to Godwin's Law, on the interwebz apocalypse card. Guaranteed to shut down any thread. No, this is specifically NOT a statement either direction. Simply hinting at the IAC is enough to make any mod strongly consider pre-emptively locking the thread.
Personally? I've long since understood that it is preferable to repeatedly punch yourself in the face for several hours than discuss abortion. With anyone. For any reason. And I'm not talking love taps like in Fight Club. I mean, "Mike Tyson cringe at the beating" type punches. The type of beating that Randy Couture on a massive amount of steroids, PCP and meth could give an asthmatic 12 year old. Jumping into a honey badger pit and screaming "Come at me, bro!". You get the idea.
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DOUBLE POST
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If someone tried to forcibly move American citizens against their will, I would be happy to fight and kill the responsible enemies of the United States doing so. Neither the US government nor individual states have the authority to forcibly "deport" US citizens and divest them of their property against their will....
Pardon my faulty memory, but I believe there is now statutory authority to move populations under various federal emergency powers acts. As well as allowing total control of the United States infrastructure, such as farming, production, etc. by a national board.
"It can't happen here, this is America."
Terry
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Personally? I've long since understood that it is preferable to repeatedly punch yourself in the face for several hours than discuss abortion. With anyone. For any reason. And I'm not talking love taps like in Fight Club. I mean, "Mike Tyson cringe at the beating" type punches. The type of beating that Randy Couture on a massive amount of steroids, PCP and meth could give an asthmatic 12 year old. Jumping into a honey badger pit and screaming "Come at me, bro!". You get the idea.
No need to argue about abortion. I'm just pointing out that things are already quite dark, and bodies have already begun to pile up. It will get worse. For Red and Blue to agree to part ways amicably sounds like the more peaceful option to me.
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Damnit! You weren't supposed.to remind him.
That.
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Voluntary self-association is fine, Constitutional and basically what humans do anyways. Again, I did play Balkan Globocop. I had no issues with Ethnic Group A not wanting to live intermixed with Ethnic Group B. That's fine. When Ethnic Group C says "Hey, let's persuade Groups A and B to leave by very unpleasant means, for the glory of Ethnic Group C!", that's not so kosher.
Again, not trying to play interwebz kommando! Moreso, "I've actually this implemented and it was children with hands wire tied together, who died being suffocated under the weight of their parents and X feet of dirt. Based on my personal experiences with this vision being implemented in the real world, I have a few issues with it."
People are already self-containing. It is routinely happening, as is people deciding to mix. That's what America is about. Choice n' freedom n' stuff. People who try to take from others, including choice 'n freedom, are very bad people, even if they do it for "the greater good". Yes, being an open society has its own difficulties. I suspect Western civ will stick around longer than anyone imagines. The alternatives tend to be even worse. They tend to surge, and then crash horrifically. Western civ is a lot more low level chaos on a routine basis, but it has staying power.
Where were you when Compton was ethnically cleansed of black Americans by illegals from south of the border? That was neither voluntary nor peaceful.
So, what you state you will resist has already happened and is happening, complete with body counts, torture, and tears. Constitutions and very fine talk about principles are trumped by blood: both in the sense of shared heritage and in the sense of spilling it. Both gov't and ideology are being trumped by race & religion, all over the world.
Last, Western Civ requires westerners to perpetuate it.
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Desegregation laws come to mind in the reverse to some extent.
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If someone tried to forcibly move American citizens against their will, I would be happy to fight and kill the responsible enemies of the United States doing so. Neither the US government nor individual states have the authority to forcibly "deport" US citizens and divest them of their property against their will.
The US government has done exactly that, repeatedly to the natives. (/ thread veer. Not wanting to chase an otherwise light hearted thread off)
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The US government has done exactly that, repeatedly to the natives. (/ thread veer. Not wanting to chase an otherwise light hearted thread off)
Government also sterilized people against their will, intentionally poisoned tens of thousands of people, Dred Scott, etc. That the government previously did bad things before today does it legitimize them today, nor does it mean such deeds were any less wrong when originally performed.
Could any of these happen again? Sure. We recently watched Hillary Clinton get away with multiple felonies when other people are routinely convicted of the same crimes.
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Government also sterilized people against their will, intentionally poisoned tens of thousands of people, Dred Scott, etc. That the government previously did bad things before today does it legitimize them today, nor does it mean such deeds were any less wrong when originally performed.
He wasn't making that argument, and I think you knew that.
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Government also sterilized people against their will, intentionally poisoned tens of thousands of people, Dred Scott, etc. That the government previously did bad things before today does it legitimize them today, nor does it mean such deeds were any less wrong when originally performed.
Could any of these happen again? Sure. We recently watched are currently watching Hillary Clinton get away with multiple felonies when other people are routinely convicted of the same crimes.
FTFY
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At least the Greater Seattle Forsaken Zone will have excellent coffee, beer and video games as produced by the residents.
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I have an acre and a half. I will auction off 3 sq ft spots. Comes with a view. High ground too. First come first served. [popcorn]
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I have an acre and a half. I will auction off 3 sq ft spots. Comes with a view. High ground too. First come first served. [popcorn]
Interesting idea. I thought of that as a fund-raising idea for a charitable organization many years ago. Tech/legal prolems got in the way, though, e.g. a subdivision developer's license was required in this state, real estate taxes, etc. (I was thinking of one square foot parcels, complete with mailable addresses and little one inch easements for "streets," and other wild-assed extensions of the idea.)
It recently popped into mind again as a method of establishing residency in "free states," but I squashed the idea since I didn't want to get squashed myself by the full weight of the law.
Not that I could immediately see any tech/legal reasons against it offhand, but I figured, with all the crazy laws and contrived legal decisions in our current whacky legal system, there must be something either legally or regulatory they could come down on you with. Sorta like the Kelo decision... who'd have thunk it?
So I parked that idea in my mental bottom drawer until you brought it out again.
I'm not signing this one so nobody will know who posted it
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It's possible. A number of RV living snowbirds I've met here in AZ have legal addresses in S. Dakota. Their vehicles are registered in S.D. and there are services that forward mail anywhere it's requested.
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^ Huh. I didn't know that.
<Terry Anonymous poster above rubs chin and looks at ceiling, thinking...>
Is that just a private mailbox service or is there actual real estate involved?
<After rubbing chin, Terry anonymous poster above realizes he needs a shave.>