Trump on the shootings...

[TommyGunn]

the messed up thing about our system is, the democrats are sometimes better republicans than republicans are and the republicans are better democrats than the democrats are.
I am super angry at POTUS now.
if the vote was today i would not vote for him.
for a guy who acts like he didn't like McCain - he sure acts like him

Maybe he's just doing his "art of the deal" stuff.   Oh, and     oooops.

[Ben]

From glumly reading the news this morning, it looks like the Rs are going to push red flag laws hard.

I guess I can kinda sorta see why many of them would go in that direction. Many Rs don't understand guns, but know that their base does, so they have an aversion to doing anything with the objects themselves, because they think (rightly so) that they would lose many votes. Hence they think (wrongly so) that red flag laws are a safe path for them to take to look like they're doing something while still "protecting" gun rights.

I read that Lyndsey Graham, who looks to be heavily pushing red flag along with Trump, has said that precautions to be put in place include consultation with mental health professionals prior to any confiscation orders to ensure police don't abuse the red flag laws. In my unscientific observations, it appears to me that probably 90% of mental health professionals lean moderately to strongly left. How do they keep their emotions out of their "unbiased" analysis?

[Ron]

Looks like we are instituting the Soviet model on how to deal with bad thinkers.

[TommyGunn]

From glumly reading the news this morning, it looks like the Rs are going to push red flag laws hard.

I guess I can kinda sorta see why many of them would go in that direction. Many Rs don't understand guns, but know that their base does, so they have an aversion to doing anything with the objects themselves, because they think (rightly so) that they would lose many votes. Hence they think (wrongly so) that red flag laws are a safe path for them to take to look like they're doing something while still "protecting" gun rights.

I read that Lyndsey Graham, who looks to be heavily pushing red flag along with Trump, has said that precautions to be put in place include consultation with mental health professionals prior to any confiscation orders to ensure police don't abuse the red flag laws. In my unscientific observations, it appears to me that probably 90% of mental health professionals lean moderately to strongly left. How do they keep their emotions out of their "unbiased" analysis?

I was never a democrat.  It looks like I may not long be a republican.   Where do I go?   

[cordex]

I was never a democrat.  It looks like I may not long be a republican.   Where do I go?   

The Gulag.

[Ben]

Also, one of the problems  I see with Republican political responses to stuff like this, terrorism, etc. is that they always seem to want to go "police state". I mean, we're still taking our shoes off at the airport. Sometimes they are worse than the left when it comes to "for your safety" and "if you didn't do anything, you have nothing to worry about."

[Ron]

Also, one of the problems  I see with Republican political responses to stuff like this, terrorism, etc. is that they always seem to want to go "police state". I mean, we're still taking our shoes off at the airport. Sometimes they are worse than the left when it comes to "for your safety" and "if you didn't do anything, you have nothing to worry about."

Are you not a proud supporter of the women and men of TSA that put their lives on the line, keeping us safe from terrorists in the sky?

I'm concerned about your mental health comrade.

[Ben]

Also, here's Trump on red flag laws.  I despise blithering idiot Cuomo, but his outburst, and those like it by others, shouldn't expose him/them to the loss of a right.

I can guarantee if this were a right-winger giving the outburst, Trump would be defending him, not saying "red flag". This is why we have to worry about these kinds of laws - politicians across the political spectrum will apply them according to ideology.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2019/08/13/donald-trumps-take-on-chris-cuomos-fredo-rant-explains-how-red-flag-laws-can-and-will-be-abused/

[fifth_column]

Also, here's Trump on red flag laws.  I despise blithering idiot Cuomo, but his outburst, and those like it by others, shouldn't expose him/them to the loss of a right.

I can guarantee if this were a right-winger giving the outburst, Trump would be defending him, not saying "red flag". This is why we have to worry about these kinds of laws - politicians across the political spectrum will apply them according to ideology.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2019/08/13/donald-trumps-take-on-chris-cuomos-fredo-rant-explains-how-red-flag-laws-can-and-will-be-abused/

All of a sudden trump's kekhood (kekability, kekism?) is less appreciated . . . .

[bedlamite]

Part of me hopes this undermines the red flag laws.

[RoadKingLarry]

Part of me hopes this undermines the red flag laws.

3D chess....








 

[Ben]

Part of me hopes this undermines the red flag laws.

You never know. This may be another one of those cases where I scream, "Why did you tweet that, Don!?!" and it turns out he had a plan I didn't see.

[RoadKingLarry]

You never know. This may be another one of those cases where I scream, "Why did you tweet that, Don!?!" and it turns out he had a plan I didn't see.

4D chess.....











 

[bedlamite]

I'm not active enough on social media, someone needs to plant a bug in the lefts ear that this is how Trump is going to go after antifa.

[Perd Hapley]

I'm not active enough on social media, someone needs to plant a bug in the lefts ear that this is how Trump is going to go after antifa.

Oh they'd sacrifice those twerps in an instant.

[WLJ]

Okay, what are the odds of something actually coming out of this or is just talk?

[Pb]

Okay, what are the odds of something actually coming out of this or is just talk?

I guess that depends on how stupid Trump is...   

so your guess is as good as mine.

I don't know what odds Trump has of winning re-election, but if he signs signficant gun control, I expect it will drop to zero.

[Ben]

I guess that depends on how stupid Trump is...  

so your guess is as good as mine.

I don't know what odds Trump has of winning re-election, but if he signs signficant gun control, I expect it will drop to zero.

I think Trump will have a strong chance at reelection regardless.

I'm often a fence sitter between "Vote your conscience" and "Hold your nose, because the other candidate stinks worse". As it stands now, I'm prepared to hold my nose for a lot of stench. Even if Trump signs some kind of gun control legislation, which will piss me off to no end, there is no way I can, in good conscience, actually vote my conscience. Every. single. one. of the higher polling dem candidates is a disaster to freedom and to the philosophy of the United States.

I will cuss like crazy if I have to vote for a "pro-gun control Trump", but I will do it to keep a commie out of the oval office. I think a lot of other people, who don't even care about guns, will be thinking the same way for different reasons. JMO.

[DittoHead]

I guess that depends on how stupid Trump is...  

so your guess is as good as mine.

Trump is a wild card, no doubt there. But the senate is the best possibility to kill it - I haven't seen anything saying the numbers are there.

By any objective measure then, the current Senate -- where Republicans hold 53 seats -- is less friendly to new gun control legislation than the Senate of April 2013. And that 2013 Senate never even got even one part of the gun control legislative package passed the cloture stage. There was never a final up-or-down floor vote on any part of the package. None. And that was with a Democratic president pushing the legislation to a Democratic-controlled Senate.

Even if Trump signs some kind of gun control legislation, which will piss me off to no end, there is no way I can, in good conscience, actually vote my conscience.
I think a lot of other people, who don't even care about guns, will be thinking the same way for different reasons.

Yup. This time of year when the vote is still far away, people talk big about losing their vote or staying home.
Once the election rolls around it's always "end of the world", flight 93, "vote or die" and most everyone falls in line.

[WLJ]

I for one am somewhat on pins and needles waiting for the next one to push them over the edge. I keep expecting to see a breaking news report pop up.

[Pb]

Once the election rolls around it's always "end of the world", flight 93, "vote or die" and most everyone falls in line.

Enough might stay home to make Trump lose, easily.

Remember protest votes for Perot probably put Clinton in.

I expect protest votes for Nader probably made Gore lose as well.

Infuriating your base is a terrible idea.

No one who loves gun control will vote for Trump no matter what.

He can only lose votes.

He won the last election on a miniscule margin.

[dogmush]

I think Trump will have a strong chance at reelection regardless.

I'm often a fence sitter between "Vote your conscience" and "Hold your nose, because the other candidate stinks worse". As it stands now, I'm prepared to hold my nose for a lot of stench. Even if Trump signs some kind of gun control legislation, which will piss me off to no end, there is no way I can, in good conscience, actually vote my conscience. Every. single. one. of the higher polling dem candidates is a disaster to freedom and to the philosophy of the United States.

I will cuss like crazy if I have to vote for a "pro-gun control Trump", but I will do it to keep a commie out of the oval office. I think a lot of other people, who don't even care about guns, will be thinking the same way for different reasons. JMO.

You're not wrong on the Dems, but at some point Trump gets bad enough that the "*expletive deleted*ck it, burn it to the ground" vote swings Dem.

I don't know what that point is, but I clearly remember a bunch of folks in 2016 saying some version of "*expletive deleted*ck it"

[Ben]

I don't know what that point is, but I clearly remember a bunch of folks in 2016 saying some version of "*expletive deleted*ck it"

I was one of them. I was all ready to go third party, but at the last minute, more as an FU to the SJWs who had absolutely infuriated me, than any other damn thing, voted Trump. As I was in CA at the time, my vote really didn't make a difference whichever way I would have voted. Now I'm in a state where I can't really do an FU, because my vote can actually count, one way or the other.

[AZRedhawk44]

I think the best response to the Red Flag situation is to anonymously Red-Flag-Report all the politicians and cops that support the concept or execute Red Flag seizures.

[TommyGunn]

The Gulag.

Oh boy!  Free meals!