Gay Marriage hurts the most vulnerable

[makattak]

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/after-95-years-ny-rules-end-catholic-adoption-and-foster-services-in-buffalo-60894

Yet another Catholic adoption agency has been forced to close its doors because the state requires they place children under their protection with gay couples.

SHOCKING, UNEXPECTED developments in the grinding of those damned backwards "religious" things under the heel of "tolerance".

Oh, the children? Well, who cares. We have HERETICS to oppress!


NOTE: It's interesting that the homosexuals are taking the Catholic church down from within and without.

[lupinus]

So you mean they have to comply with state rules like everyone else? Shocking

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[MillCreek]

Not to mention their blatant discrimination against placing children for adoption with a single male or single female.  If you want to extend that logic, than if one parent dies, the children should be removed from the home.

[makattak]

Not to mention their blatant discrimination against placing children for adoption with a single male or single female.  If you want to extend that logic, than if one parent dies, the children should be removed from the home.

Yes, if you follow your twisted and unintelligible strawman version of that logic, you should remove children from their birth parent because the other died.

Can you, perhaps, spot a difference between REMOVING a child from a less than optimal situation and PLACING a child in a less than optimal situation?

So you mean they have to comply with state rules like everyone else? Shocking

Such irony. It's funny how that wasn't the cry from the libertines about gay marriage.

[Perd Hapley]

Yes, if you follow your twisted and unintelligible strawman version of that logic, you should remove children from their birth parent because the other died.

Can you, perhaps, spot a difference between REMOVING a child from a less than optimal situation and PLACING a child in a less than optimal situation?

Such irony. It's funny how that wasn't the cry from the libertines about gay marriage.

Stop making sense, makattak. You're offending the SJWs.

[Perd Hapley]

I, for one, recognize that it might be possible to have teh gey marridge without using it to go after the normies. But going after the normies is the purpose of the exercise.

[MillCreek]

Yes, if you follow your twisted and unintelligible strawman version of that logic, you should remove children from their birth parent because the other died.

Can you, perhaps, spot a difference between REMOVING a child from a less than optimal situation and PLACING a child in a less than optimal situation?

Such irony. It's funny how that wasn't the cry from the libertines about gay marriage.

So are you saying that a single parent, heterosexual to boot, is not a suitable adoptive parent?

[makattak]

So are you saying that a single parent, heterosexual to boot, is not a suitable adoptive parent?

I believe I used the term "less than optimal".

But, yes. Every effort to find a child an adoptive mother and father ought to be exhausted before moving to less than optimal choices.

[Fitz]

So are you saying that a single parent, heterosexual to boot, is not a suitable adoptive parent?

statistically, yes.

Being the child of a single parent is directly correlated to worse outcomes. Better than what they came from, sure. But again, they want to place children in homes that have the highest chance of success.

There's not a lot of data on outcomes from same sex couple parents yet, at least not near as much as for heterosexual... but being the child of a single parent is linked to a whole bunch of bad.

IMHO (and there are studies about it), lack of a father figure is one of the chief problems with the urban black community

[Hawkmoon]

Being the child of a single parent is directly correlated to worse outcomes. Better than what they came from, sure. But again, they want to place children in homes that have the highest chance of success.

My immediate thought was, "Then why allow adoptions by same sex couples?" But I see that you cleverly anticipated that exact question:

There's not a lot of data on outcomes from same sex couple parents yet, at least not near as much as for heterosexual... but being the child of a single parent is linked to a whole bunch of bad.

[Fitz]

My immediate thought was, "Then why allow adoptions by same sex couples?" But I see that you cleverly anticipated that exact question:

To be clear. I don’t know about same sex couples. My inclination given what we have seen from sensationalist news stories is negative. But I don’t opine on it because I don’t know that there’s enough data on it

[Strings]

Unfortunately, most of what we hear about same sex couples and kids are the lunatic fringe

[Perd Hapley]

Unfortunately, most of what we hear about same sex couples and kids are the lunatic fringe

Well...

[De Selby]

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/after-95-years-ny-rules-end-catholic-adoption-and-foster-services-in-buffalo-60894

Yet another Catholic adoption agency has been forced to close its doors because the state requires they place children under their protection with gay couples.

SHOCKING, UNEXPECTED developments in the grinding of those damned backwards "religious" things under the heel of "tolerance".

Oh, the children? Well, who cares. We have HERETICS to oppress!


NOTE: It's interesting that the homosexuals are taking the Catholic church down from within and without.

So they’d rather stop helping children than comply with anti discrimination laws??? Got it - keeping up discrimination against gays is more important than helping kids to these people

[Ron]

Is there a dearth of normal couples looking to adopt that we are forced to turn over children to individuals with disordered sexuality?

We know what is best for children and putting their needs aside and handing them over to homosexuals in the name of “fairness” is insane.

[Scout26]

So they’d rather stop helping children than comply with anti discrimination laws??? Got it - keeping up discrimination against gays is more important than helping kids to these people

Try "deeply held religious beliefs" instead.  There are other agencies that gay couples could work with.l   But no, they insist that not only must we accept their lifestyle, but that we must approve it.   

[makattak]

So they’d rather stop helping children than comply with anti discrimination laws??? Got it - keeping up discrimination against gays is more important than helping kids to these people

Yes. If they don't keep those gays down no one else will!


Or, you could also not set up a strawman and realize that it is a matter of deeply held conviction: not engaging in the sin of harming those children.

Not helping them is less bad than harming them.

But you don't really care about the children, either. What's important is to rub it in the faces of those nasty breeders that the squares have lost and the state will be using their powers to force them to bow the knee. (See how it works?)

[MillCreek]

As to Ron's comment above, working in the healthcare field, I can say that there is a shortage of healthy Caucasian children to adopt.  Over the years, we have been contacted many times by (usually) affluent Caucasian couples or single women who want to know if any of our pregnant patients want to give up their baby for adoption and can we put them in touch for that purpose.  Between effective birth control, abortion and women choosing to keep and raise the child on their own, this has really impacted the adoptable infant supply in the USA.  This is why people are doing round after round of expensive IVF attempts, hiring pregnancy surrogates to carry a baby, and looking beyond healthy Caucasian infants as adoption candidates.   The adoption business is pretty competitive now.

[Hawkmoon]

So are you saying that a single parent, heterosexual to boot, is not a suitable adoptive parent?

Certainly not if heterosexual. Homosexual would be A-okay, though, because we can't discriminate against the LBGTXYZ community.

[Scout26]

As to Ron's comment above, working in the healthcare field, I can say that there is a shortage of healthy Caucasian children to adopt.  Over the years, we have been contacted many times by (usually) affluent Caucasian couples or single women who want to know if any of our pregnant patients want to give up their baby for adoption and can we put them in touch for that purpose.  Between effective birth control, abortion and women choosing to keep and raise the child on their own, this has really impacted the adoptable infant supply in the USA.  This is why people are doing round after round of expensive IVF attempts, hiring pregnancy surrogates to carry a baby, and looking beyond healthy Caucasian infants as adoption candidates.   The adoption business is pretty competitive now.

*cough* Russia meeting, Trump Tower *cough*...

[Hawkmoon]

So they’d rather stop helping children than comply with anti discrimination laws??? Got it - keeping up discrimination against gays is more important than helping kids to these people

Apparently you don't actually "get it," because the issue isn't not complying with anti-discrimination laws, the issue is choosing not to be forced into becoming a party to something that runs contrary to their religious beliefs.

[Fitz]

Apparently you don't actually "get it," because the issue isn't not complying with anti-discrimination laws, the issue is choosing not to be forced into becoming a party to something that runs contrary to their religious beliefs.

 Peoples beliefs don’t matter, unless of course your beliefs include all manner of perversion, in which case they are sacred .

I, for one, am getting sick and tired of the gay community and their agenda

And it hasn’t slipped my notice that the slippery slope argument from a decade ago is reaching fruition

 There are legions of needy children from non-religious agencies that desperately need placement. The fact that this is even a discussion sickens me, and tells me it has nothing to do with what the children need and everything to do with cramming yet another agenda down the throats of people of faith

[brimic]

. The fact that this is even a discussion sickens me, and tells me it has nothing to do with what the children need and everything to do with cramming yet another agenda down the throats of people of faith

Bingo. Its not enough to liberalize marriage/adoption laws, it must be taken steps further to bring social and legal retribution against all of those who don't willfully support the agenda.

[Perd Hapley]

Bingo. Its not enough to liberalize marriage/adoption laws, it must be taken steps further to bring social and legal retribution against all of those who don't willfully support the agenda.

https://answersforthefaith.com/2017/07/31/gay-activist-were-going-to-punish-the-wicked-christians-who-oppose-lgbt-agenda/

"We’re going to punish the wicked." Mr. Gill said his effort to block religious-freedom bills in Southern states has already paid off. Last year, the Gill Foundation rallied more than 100 corporations, including Coca-Cola, Google and Marriott, behind a front group called Georgia Prospers. Threatening to pull business out of the state, the coalition successfully lobbied Republican Gov. Nathan Deal into vetoing a Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

[Perd Hapley]

So they’d rather stop helping children than comply with anti discrimination laws??? Got it - keeping up discrimination against gays is more important than helping kids to these people

Yeah, cause adoption agencies aren't supposed to be picking and choosing who gets the kids. That would just be weird.