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Re: Jeb Bush calls for stronger surveillance powers for the state
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2015, 08:41:14 PM »
Not like I'd vote for him, anyway.
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Re: Jeb Bush calls for stronger surveillance powers for the state
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2015, 08:41:41 PM »
Not much of a surprise.
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Re: Jeb Bush calls for stronger surveillance powers for the state
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2015, 08:44:29 PM »
Hey, maybe he'll make Christie his running mate. And make Peter King the head of the NSA.
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Re: Jeb Bush calls for stronger surveillance powers for the state
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2015, 08:47:44 PM »
Reason # 258,356,459,215 that I won't ever vote for him or Christie
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Re: Jeb Bush calls for stronger surveillance powers for the state
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2015, 08:47:49 PM »
Hey, maybe he'll make Christie his running mate. And make Peter King the head of the NSA.
That'd be funny if it wasn't so likely.


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Re: Jeb Bush calls for stronger surveillance powers for the state
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2015, 08:50:21 PM »
If the GOP ends up with a Bush/Christie ticket I'll vote for Hillary just out of spite. At that point it really wouldn't matter as we would be royally screwed either way....of course it's not like we aren't royally screwed either way anyhow.
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Re: Jeb Bush calls for stronger surveillance powers for the state
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2015, 10:21:20 PM »
If the GOP ends up with a Bush/Christie ticket I'll vote for Hillary just out of spite. At that point it really wouldn't matter as we would be royally screwed either way....of course it's not like we aren't royally screwed either way anyhow.


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Re: Jeb Bush calls for stronger surveillance powers for the state
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2015, 10:39:49 PM »
If the GOP ends up with a Bush/Christie ticket I'll vote for Hillary just out of spite. At that point it really wouldn't matter as we would be royally screwed either way....of course it's not like we aren't royally screwed either way anyhow.

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Re: Jeb Bush calls for stronger surveillance powers for the state
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2015, 02:40:23 AM »
The odds of Hillary facing any consequences for anything are pretty small.
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Re: Jeb Bush calls for stronger surveillance powers for the state
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2015, 09:01:53 AM »
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_GOP_2016_BUSH?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-08-18-18-13-25

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Re: Jeb Bush calls for stronger surveillance powers for the state
« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2015, 11:33:43 AM »
Jeb: America Can't Afford Constitutional Rights for Americans, Must Afford Them for Foreigners

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Republican presidential hopeful Jeb Bush said Tuesday that the government should have broad surveillance powers of Americans and private technology firms should cooperate better with intelligence agencies to help combat “evildoers.”



Separately, Bush told CBS News that he disagreed with rival Donald Trump on the birthright of children born in the United States to parents who are immigrants living in the country illegally.

“That’s a constitutional right,” Bush said. “Mr. Trump can say he’s for this because people are frustrated that it’s abused. We ought to fix the problem rather than take away rights that are constitutionally endowed.”
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Re: Jeb Bush calls for stronger surveillance powers for the state
« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2015, 11:58:40 AM »
From OP article:

Cog 'dis, Mr. Bush.
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Re: Jeb Bush calls for stronger surveillance powers for the state
« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2015, 02:15:22 PM »
I really hope Jeb tries to talk about this during the debate.  I think his support would dwindle quite a bit. 
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Re: Jeb Bush calls for stronger surveillance powers for the state
« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2015, 02:18:22 PM »
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“It’s not realistic to create a fence in places where fences can’t be built. You’d have people, American citizens, on the south side of the fence in some places. Or they’re on the wrong side of the fence,” Bush said.

Do they make them any dumber than this?
Fence tech is pretty old, I hear the Chinese made some pretty big ones...
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Re: Jeb Bush calls for stronger surveillance powers for the state
« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2015, 02:36:56 PM »
Do they make them any dumber than this?
Fence tech is pretty old, I hear the Chinese made some pretty big ones...


Even the proto-Italians managed a couple.
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Re: Jeb Bush calls for stronger surveillance powers for the state
« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2015, 02:41:00 PM »
Even the proto-Italians managed a couple.

Let's revive Hadrian Jurassic Park style and he can clue us in on the mysteries of how to build a wall.
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Re: Jeb Bush calls for stronger surveillance powers for the state
« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2015, 06:22:27 PM »
I really hope Jeb tries to talk about this during the debate.  I think his support would dwindle quite a bit. 
No kidding. Support for illegals (not his "OOPS" debate moment) is what caused Perry's campaign to tank 4 years ago; specifically, discounted tuition for illegals at TX colleges and universities if they've been living illegally in TX long enough. He signed the bill for it, and when challenged, asserted essentially that people who opposed it were bad people.
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Re: Jeb Bush calls for stronger surveillance powers for the state
« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2015, 07:11:45 PM »
I've been surprised at how poorly Perry is doing, again. So much for the expert campaigner we kept hearing about.
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Re: Jeb Bush calls for stronger surveillance powers for the state
« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2015, 12:28:45 AM »
Perry ain't even close to ready for prime time.

He will fizzle shortly, hopefully he will know when he's dead.


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Re: Jeb Bush calls for stronger surveillance powers for the state
« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2015, 02:37:59 AM »
Perry ain't even close to ready for prime time.

He will fizzle shortly, hopefully he will know when he's dead.


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Many Texas people keep insisting he's a wily master campaigner. I'm ready to chalk it up to their general obsession with how superior their state is.
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Re: Jeb Bush calls for stronger surveillance powers for the state
« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2015, 08:50:38 AM »
Statists gonna state. And that's what J Bush is. Statist.

Many Texas people keep insisting he's a wily master campaigner. I'm ready to chalk it up to their general obsession with how superior their state is.

Not sure why.  Perry should drop out and back Cruz IMHO.  He's just wasting people's time and he is smart enough to know that.
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Re: Jeb Bush calls for stronger surveillance powers for the state
« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2015, 09:35:48 AM »
Many Texas people keep insisting he's a wily master campaigner. I'm ready to chalk it up to their general obsession with how superior their state is.
I haven't heard that and I would disagree anyway.  He was a decently conservative Governor who supported gun rights in a conservative state.  The one time he was seriously challenged for reelection was after he had promised to crack down on illegal immigration then backed out on it.  He had a history of not getting too serious on illegal immigration and supporting big business.  The governor isn't all that powerful in Texas and he was never stupid enough to try to create an income tax. 

IMO, Perry is a bit on the light-weight side for a Presidential Contender.  There are better candidates.  Would I be okay with him as President?  Sure, he would do okay.  Even with his faults, he is more conservative than a lot of other choices.  He isn't the best though.  He also graduated from Texas A&M also which is where I went.   
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Re: Jeb Bush calls for stronger surveillance powers for the state
« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2015, 11:49:40 AM »
I've been surprised at how poorly Perry is doing, again. So much for the expert campaigner we kept hearing about.

Many Texas people keep insisting he's a wily master campaigner. I'm ready to chalk it up to their general obsession with how superior their state is.

Not a native Texan here.  Yes, Texas is superior to most states I have lived in (seven) and traveled through (all east of the Mississippi and 1/3 west of it).

Perry thumped every opponent that he went against in Texas.  Not sure if that counts as "master campaigner," but it is empirical evidence that he can win in one of the largest states in the union.  Repeatedly.  He would have won if he had run for Texas gov last time, I would speculate.

Politically, I classify him as a semi-squishy conservative. His greatest action while governing was inaction.  IOW, he was much less intrusive than most and left folk to do their own thing.  Thus, he reaped the rewards when folk did their own thing and made Texas the beacon of economic development in America.  He also appointed generally conservative folk when he had the opportunity. 

That is the reality of his campaigning and governance, as objectively as I can state it.  Extremists will differ, elevating their hobby horse and Perry's unwillingness to ride it into the ground.

As for his current lack of polling success, I see several causes:
1. Cruz, the other Texan, is currently in office and can grandstand as a legicritter instead of having to govern like an executive. 
2. Too many *let's not go there* spoil the broth.  Too many other contenders split the polling. 
3. GOP base that wants to give establishment GOP the big finger have a more flamboyant candidate in Trump.
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